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bizjet_mania
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A case study of a correlation.bizjet_mania wrote:Having done Human Factors and CRM, I remember a case study where we examined that pay was linked in some way to accidents. The higher the pay the less likely you are going to get into an accident. However I wouldn't totally agree because of course the higher the pay, the better machine you are flying in most cases.
Higher pay could also be linked to a higher level of experience or training.
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bizjet_mania
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Jaques Strappe
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Yes you do get what you paid for.
The projected costs for finishing Columbia's Dentistry program are just over $230,000US. (housing and tuition) Projected costs are just that. Most people spend more.
http://cpmcnet.columbia.edu/student/fin ... ed%20costs'
There is the link.
Makes the $30,000 JetsGo wanted look like pocket change.
Anyone know if they will hire anytime soon?
The projected costs for finishing Columbia's Dentistry program are just over $230,000US. (housing and tuition) Projected costs are just that. Most people spend more.
http://cpmcnet.columbia.edu/student/fin ... ed%20costs'
There is the link.
Makes the $30,000 JetsGo wanted look like pocket change.
Anyone know if they will hire anytime soon?
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costermonger
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I totally agree with that, corporate bail-outs aren't the answer here. What I was getting at though was that if the price is right, there will always be willing buyers for airlines that command the sort of market share that Air Canada has these days. Well, as long as people think there's money to be made in the airline business, that is.Jaques Strappe wrote:Ok Costermonger, I'll bite. Since when was AC, as a private company, bailed out by the Feds? If anything, the Feds are a major hinderance and do nothing but interfere with the daily operations of a private company.
If the difficulty level of the ATPL exams were to be raised, necessitating some studying instead of being able to write these exams after a week-end course, might limit the surplus of Airline Pilots resulting in higher wages and a more respectfull attitude towards the proffesion.
"With a commercial license in your pocket and a few more hours of experience, you are ready to move on to the Airline Transport Pilots License (ATPL), which will allow you to work as an airline pilot."
Well, with advertising like this on flightschool websites, no wonder pilots are a dime a dozen. And wages/lifestyle will just get much worse in the next decade...Just wait till LCC's start the overseas gigs in the near future...
Not the schools fault...We live in a free market economy/society. We can bitch and complain all we want. Wont make an inch of difference anyway.
Got my AZ ticket. Made just a tadd over 100G/ last year, home every night + weekends. No more worries about KD dinners, getting paged out at 345AM, wondering if I still have a job next week...Aviation sucks...
I mean come on...A trucker making more than double of a guy flying a piece of equipment worth millions, not to mention the precious lives he carries and is responsible for. What gives???
Aviation=Debt for life
Well, with advertising like this on flightschool websites, no wonder pilots are a dime a dozen. And wages/lifestyle will just get much worse in the next decade...Just wait till LCC's start the overseas gigs in the near future...
Not the schools fault...We live in a free market economy/society. We can bitch and complain all we want. Wont make an inch of difference anyway.
Got my AZ ticket. Made just a tadd over 100G/ last year, home every night + weekends. No more worries about KD dinners, getting paged out at 345AM, wondering if I still have a job next week...Aviation sucks...
I mean come on...A trucker making more than double of a guy flying a piece of equipment worth millions, not to mention the precious lives he carries and is responsible for. What gives???
Aviation=Debt for life
...Seems they are going to remove the axe and the control column from the cockpits for security reasons.
Pursuing a flying career is somewhat similar to chasing a hollywood acting career. The allure of potentially earning big dollars and prestige with little education draws in legions of young people. But for every actor/pilot making big money, many times more are struggling to survive as they chase the pot of gold at the end of the AC rainbow. Some will get there, but most won't. But just like lottery tickets, the mere chance is all it takes to get them to put down their money.
The supply of new pilots will not be controlled by outside forces. Education and training standards will not be significantly raised by TC because it can't be justified. As well, Governments don't fund pilot training to any meaningful extent, therefore you won't see limitations on training spaces as happens with publicly run universities and colleges.
In my view, the only thing that will reduce the number of new pilots entering the industry will be reducing the attractiveness of the top end jobs. When the rewards (major airline pay, schedules, etc) are not seen by as many people to warrant the risks (entry cost, unstable employment and initial years of low pay), the number of new pilots will decrease. That in turn should result in compression of industry pay scales. Major airlines will pay less, mid and lower levels will have to pay better.
The supply of new pilots will not be controlled by outside forces. Education and training standards will not be significantly raised by TC because it can't be justified. As well, Governments don't fund pilot training to any meaningful extent, therefore you won't see limitations on training spaces as happens with publicly run universities and colleges.
In my view, the only thing that will reduce the number of new pilots entering the industry will be reducing the attractiveness of the top end jobs. When the rewards (major airline pay, schedules, etc) are not seen by as many people to warrant the risks (entry cost, unstable employment and initial years of low pay), the number of new pilots will decrease. That in turn should result in compression of industry pay scales. Major airlines will pay less, mid and lower levels will have to pay better.
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bizjet_mania
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