The vote results are out. Bruce White has been FIRED by the membership by an 80% margin.
Do you support the removal from office of the MEC Chair?
1. Yes 1935 Votes 79.93%
2. No 486 Votes 20.07%
Unfortunately the TA vote will still have to go ahead on May 9th. Considering that the Bruce White recall vote represented dissatisfaction with the TA, I would fully expect the TA to be voted down as well.
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Last edited by Lost in Saigon on Sun May 01, 2011 11:44 am, edited 2 times in total.
To me the company's insistence that the TA stands unmodified is a clear sign they mean to bust this union and finish once and for all the beat down of the pilot group with the help of 1/2 of our union leadership. It is a declaration of war that lays bare their contempt for the employees making up this airline.
The only question remaining is how we are going to respond.
This is it boys.
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Ahh, the "smiling Knife" finally shows his true colors. Remember back when he first came back and was attempting to build bridges between the worker bees and himself. I'm pretty sure I said it myself, at the very least, I remember thinking, DON'T TRUST HIM. Next on his list of to do's, is the Embraers to Jazz. I think I called him a wolf in sheeps clothing, and he seems to be proving me right. One of the first things he did was give the service charges back to Jazz employees, to put a dollar value on them(passes) for bargaining, presumably. I haven't seen anything about that in the TA, I wonder when that's coming down the pipes.
For you commuters, I pay just under 100.00 round trip, 2-3 times a month to go to work. If you can turn that knife around and stick him with it, PLEASE DO!
Rockie wrote:To me the company's insistence that the TA stands unmodified is a clear sign they mean to bust this union and finish once and for all the beat down of the pilot group with the help of 1/2 of our union leadership. It is a declaration of war that lays bare their contempt for the employees making up this airline.
The only question remaining is how we are going to respond.
This is it boys.
Not necessarily Rockie. Both the MEC and Co became complacent about the nature of the 'silent majority' and agreed that any deal between the elites on both sides was a done deal. They will look at the business case going forward--how much do they want to undermine Calin's message of progress on all fronts by engaging in an acrid fight with the pilots over sucker pitches on LCC and DC pension that they included because the MEC was so agreeable and friendly and COLLABORATIVE (BW's word)? Of course they will initially press hard testing for softness in the group but they won't jeopardize killing the golden goose that sees their compensation and reputations tied to all these 'historic positive financial results', IMO.
planely speaking wrote:Of course they will initially press hard testing for softness in the group but they won't jeopardize killing the golden goose that sees their compensation and reputations tied to all these 'historic positive financial results', IMO.
No. They could have made some cosmetic but fundamentally insignificant changes to the TA to make it look better in the hopes of sliding it past which would have done the same thing, but they didn't even do that. There is not the slightest hint of compromise. The gauntlet has been thrown down (twice now) and the challenge issued.
Our union has made it clear whose side they are on and it is now up to each of us as individuals to defend ourselves.
The Air Canada Pilots Association will announce Monday that it will forge ahead with the vote because management declined to discuss revisions sought by union negotiators.
Completely self-inflicted wound.
ACPA’s master executive council is unanimous “in the belief that the tentative agreement must be sent to the pilots for a vote so that the democratic process is upheld. Therefore, the ratification vote for the tentative agreement will commence May 9,” the union said in an internal memo to its members.
Unanimous? Look what happened the last time they were unanimous. And half of them are dead men walking pending their official recall.
First officer Brad Kenyon, the interim acting union chairman, said in a memo that union leaders have done their best to react quickly to “emerging issues.” Mr. Kenyon said union officials will prepare newsletters to address “misunderstood aspects” of issues in collective bargaining.
More of the "We know best and the members are stupid" mantra.
The AC pilots have been played. Calin is going to try to make ACPA and its members wear this agreement. I sure hope that the advice being followed isn't coming from the same professional or legal staff that walked the pilots into this ambush.
rudder wrote:The Air Canada Pilots Association will announce Monday that it will forge ahead with the vote because management declined to discuss revisions sought by union negotiators.
Completely self-inflicted wound.
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Indeed,
Besides, I do not get this "management does not want to meet". I the notice to bargain has been filed. By law, both parties have to meet and discuss all proposals.
morefun wrote:Rudder....you're assuming in TA will be voted down. I think it just might pass, not by much though!
Almost 2000 voted to recall the MEC Chair over this TA and you believe that there are enough votes for this to pass? I know pilots that did not vote to recall but said that there is no way they would vote yes to this TA. So probably the total votes against the TA will exceed 2000.
morefun wrote:Rudder....you're assuming in TA will be voted down. I think it just might pass, not by much though!
Almost 2000 voted to recall the MEC Chair over this TA and you believe that there are enough votes for this to pass? I know pilots that did not vote to recall but said that there is no way they would vote yes to this TA. So probably the total votes against the TA will exceed 2000.
"Removal votes will commence tomorrow, as well, for three LEC Vice-Chairs"
From the number of votes on the petitions, that would have to include:
YYZ LEC Vice-Chair Brian Murray
YYZ LEC Vice-Chair Jeff Blake
Who is the third?
Is it not the one and same Brian Murray that is part of your Age 60 Committee, a group of your leaders that convinced the rank and file to support the opposition to flying past 60 ? Wow, that is sure a concentration of power for one person.
From what is written here, your pension would be way healthier if that became a reality and you would have, perhaps, no need to have a DC for new hires, and more importantly, no need for a reduction in benefits down the road past 2014 if there was still a deficit. As the celebrated Newfounlander, Mr John Crosbie once said in the Commons : '' Short term pain for long term gain ''. Food for thought.
duranium wrote:Is it not the one and same Brian Murray that is part of your Age 60 Committee, a group of your leaders that convinced the rank and file to support the opposition to flying past 60 ? Wow, that is sure a concentration of power for one person.
Yes. And remember, recall as a Vice Chair does not automatically remove him as a member of the Age 60 Committee, the (backroom liason to AC management) Project Ultra Committee, the Crew Manning Steering Committee, or any of the other committees from which he currently influences the direction of ACPA's MEC.
Understated wrote:
Yes. And remember, recall as a Vice Chair does not automatically remove him as a member of the Age 60 Committee, the (backroom liason to AC management) Project Ultra Committee, the Crew Manning Steering Committee, or any of the other committees from which he currently influences the direction of ACPA's MEC.
The reconstituted MEC will have some housecleaning to do
Ending mandatory retirement will be beneficial to the health and long term sustainability of the pension as ACPA's own research has told them. Funny they didn't tell the membership. Funnier still is that the people driving ACPA's age 60 policy are the same people supporting this TA. Could deliberately keeping the pension in financial danger with the help of ACPA be part of the company's plan to get rid of it?
One half of the MEC have unquestionably been working for the company instead of the pilots they purport to represent, and it would be naive to think their misplaced loyalties were confined to the contract.
[quote="Rockie....... it would be naive to think their misplaced loyalties were confined to the contract.[/quote]
Indeed. It is well established that the company did approach the negotiating committee with a proposal to end the Age 60 fight early on in the negotiations.
With ACPA's refusal, we can only hope that the company did not start trading off concessions in exchange for their continued support of a cause that both ACPA and the company know will die in the next few months.
The last time this was played it involved seniority and resulted in delayed deliveries. Maybe we do need ALPA.
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Remember guys management will always use the tactic of making your negotiating people "TAKE THEIR EYES OF THE BALL."
If they don't have enough experience at negotiating they will always get caught up in a fight
that has nothing to do with where the company wants to go.
You also have the problem of your own people negotiating for you and not outsiders who have no axe to grind one way or the other. The problem with having your own people do it as you can see si that they get caught up in their own personal agendas. Only human nature.
