Why are AME's underpaid?

[DrBoeing]

I am beginning to believe Dr.Boeing is our friend Pat Richards in disguise. Anyone else think that?

I have no idea who pat richards is but please tell me more about this guy

[torx]

Cleaner blaster, stock keepers etc etc, crappy pay, I have no idea where you got this high pay idea, a cleaner/blaster starts at 12/hr as does the stock keeper.
We the AME's at Ac are far behind everyone else, had we been the best paid in the country like our general labour people are, I would not be upset, but we are not even close and that I have a large and justified issue with.

Well according to the IAM collective Agreement, your union brothers in Mtce. that are Cleaners, Blasters, Stock Keepers, Helpers, Tool Room, etc. are well enumerated. According to the CA, these people are making upto and more than $20 for being unskilled. Starting rate is actually more for your unskilled help than a new Rampie. I'll also add that about 35-40% of the Rampies are part-time and about 20-25% are new hires. Of these, there is only a small percentage that will actually stay with Air Canada.
Just how far behind do you think you are behind the other airlines?
The comment about the bus thing....where does it end about who should be paid what for transporting people around or maintaining the equipment that transports people around.

[DrBoeing]

Cleaner blaster, stock keepers etc etc, crappy pay, I have no idea where you got this high pay idea, a cleaner/blaster starts at 12/hr as does the stock keeper.
We the AME's at Ac are far behind everyone else, had we been the best paid in the country like our general labour people are, I would not be upset, but we are not even close and that I have a large and justified issue with.

Well according to the IAM collective Agreement, your union brothers in Mtce. that are Cleaners, Blasters, Stock Keepers, Helpers, Tool Room, etc. are well enumerated. According to the CA, these people are making upto and more than $20 for being unskilled. Starting rate is actually more for your unskilled help than a new Rampie. I'll also add that about 35-40% of the Rampies are part-time and about 20-25% are new hires. Of these, there is only a small percentage that will actually stay with Air Canada.
Just how far behind do you think you are behind the other airlines?
The comment about the bus thing....where does it end about who should be paid what for transporting people around or maintaining the equipment that transports people around.

Wages, TransAt has a base salary for a senior AME of 82k, West Jet,78K, I with 4 endorsements and a senior AME has a base salary of 69k! BTW JAZZ now makes more than I do!!!
Lead station attendant at AC 53k, lead station attendant at handlex 36k, see the issue??????????
Stock keep AC 48k, Stock keeper TransAt 48k

FYI, cleaner/ blaster no longer part of AC now AVEOS

The bus thing, how can you compare the wage for a driver as opposed to some one who maintains and aircraft, it is a non starter.

[torx]

Wages, TransAt has a base salary for a senior AME of 82k, West Jet,78K, I with 4 endorsements and a senior AME has a base salary of 69k! BTW JAZZ now makes more than I do!!!
Lead station attendant at AC 53k, lead station attendant at handlex 36k, see the issue??????????
Stock keep AC 48k, Stock keeper TransAt 48k

FYI, cleaner/ blaster no longer part of AC now AVEOS

The bus thing, how can you compare the wage for a driver as opposed to some one who maintains and aircraft, it is a non starter.

Aaahhh...the Leads are overpaid. So lets give them a paycut and all will be fine? Always the Rampies fault isn't it? I really thought you would look beyond that, but I see where your mind is on the matter. Did you know that Handlex starts off their newly hired Rampies with a higher wage then Air Canada? Hmmm...didn't know that eh? So having an unskilled person in Mtce. handing out tools, stocking the shelves or cleaning parts for $50k/year is acceptable...now that they are in Aveos? That's a little hypocritical isn't it? I firmly believe you would eat your young to get ahead in this world.
I'm glad you saw the problem with the bus driver comment. He is only a bus driver, but he feels a responsibility when transporting those kids, just as you feel when fixing the aircraft.
The mech. wages have fallen behind during the last few years after being the cream of the crop for so many previous years, but even then, there was always another company that would pay slightly more.
No matter what your wage, somebody somewhere will make more then you at your profession.

[DrBoeing]

Wages, TransAt has a base salary for a senior AME of 82k, West Jet,78K, I with 4 endorsements and a senior AME has a base salary of 69k! BTW JAZZ now makes more than I do!!!
Lead station attendant at AC 53k, lead station attendant at handlex 36k, see the issue??????????
Stock keep AC 48k, Stock keeper TransAt 48k

FYI, cleaner/ blaster no longer part of AC now AVEOS

The bus thing, how can you compare the wage for a driver as opposed to some one who maintains and aircraft, it is a non starter.

Aaahhh...the Leads are overpaid. So lets give them a paycut and all will be fine? Always the Rampies fault isn't it? I really thought you would look beyond that, but I see where your mind is on the matter. Did you know that Handlex starts off their newly hired Rampies with a higher wage then Air Canada? Hmmm...didn't know that eh? So having an unskilled person in Mtce. handing out tools, stocking the shelves or cleaning parts for $50k/year is acceptable...now that they are in Aveos? That's a little hypocritical isn't it? I firmly believe you would eat your young to get ahead in this world.
I'm glad you saw the problem with the bus driver comment. He is only a bus driver, but he feels a responsibility when transporting those kids, just as you feel when fixing the aircraft.
The mech. wages have fallen behind during the last few years after being the cream of the crop for so many previous years, but even then, there was always another company that would pay slightly more.
No matter what your wage, somebody somewhere will make more then you at your profession.

You are quoting percentages and starting wages for Station attendant, plus you get all wound up when I make it clear that I expect a level playing field for my own wages, so this clearly indicates that you are a station attendant who obviously has a bone to pick with maintenance and my money is on you being a typical IAM zealot who likely has an IAM position.
So here it is, drop your hard on for maintenance, get used to the fact that you are general labour. I never stated I wanted to be the cream of the crop, I did state that I expect a level playing field. Here is an FYI, in all my years at AC we were never ever the cream of the crop in wages. We were the best paid in Canada for a period of time, but we were always playing catch up to the US carriers, unlike you and your fellow station attendants who are the best paid in NORTH AMERICA and are still willing to sell the maintenance department down the river for your own gain, so now who is willing to kill their young for their own greed?
Here is another little FYI for you. If you think the sell of ends with AVEOS, guess again, you department is next, AC has already started with the subbing out of towing in YYZ and are in talks with the GTAA for them to take over the bag room, that will be 50% of the station attendant positions in YYZ gone!

[torx]

Well DrBoeing,
that certainly aroused your concern? Why is that? Subbing of anything will have nil-zero effect on myself. But obviously you've vented the thought that you yearn for the Rampies to be displaced! Fact is that the Mtce. branch has become a dishevelled mess full of malcontent and disarray, especially after the Canadian/AC merge. After continuous in-fighting amongst yourselves you left Big Red no choice but to heave the bulk of Mtce. Do you think elitism could be behind this?
I mean a Stock-Keeper earning $50K/year, but that's OK right...he's in the Mtce. branch.
And BTW, I'm not "wound up" about anything. You are my unhappy Mech!!
And will also do some research on what Rampies make in the USA that work for airlines and I will surely post here for you when I find the info. Maybe try to find some info on Canadian MRO shops too!! See how they compare to your wage!
Cheers!!

Check out the post by YYZ Monkey...informative!
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=73141&start=175

[c170b53]

Schimunga wrote:
I am beginning to believe Dr.Boeing is our friend Pat Richards in disguise. Anyone else think that?

I have no idea who pat richards is but please tell me more about this guy

That's priceless

[conehead]

No, I know this Doctor Boeing fella, it's definitely not Pat Richards.

[DrBoeing]

Well DrBoeing,
that certainly aroused your concern? Why is that? Subbing of anything will have nil-zero effect on myself. But obviously you've vented the thought that you yearn for the Rampies to be displaced! Fact is that the Mtce. branch has become a dishevelled mess full of malcontent and disarray, especially after the Canadian/AC merge. After continuous in-fighting amongst yourselves you left Big Red no choice but to heave the bulk of Mtce. Do you think elitism could be behind this?
I mean a Stock-Keeper earning $50K/year, but that's OK right...he's in the Mtce. branch.
And BTW, I'm not "wound up" about anything. You are my unhappy Mech!!
And will also do some research on what Rampies make in the USA that work for airlines and I will surely post here for you when I find the info. Maybe try to find some info on Canadian MRO shops too!! See how they compare to your wage!
Cheers!!

Check out the post by YYZ Monkey...informative!
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=73141&start=175

You can label me a malcontent all you wish! You have answered my question as to being a station attendant, and you are the one who initiated the argument about the pay and how you seem to think we in maintenance are fairly paid.
As I have said before, you as a SA are the best paid in North America, your beloved IAM does everything it can to ensure that your wage remains high but does not do the same for the maint division. It uses maint as a bargaining chip. The latest round the chair of the negots committee is quoted as saying "if you guys in maintenance think you are going to get more than the airports world, FORGET IT" and this after he conceded that we in maint are far behind the other airline, why was this said, because he is an airports guy!
Go and look at all the MRO's you want, start with Cascade who BTW are paid better than I am,Look at manufacturing as well, Boeing pays more than AC does, as does Bombardier, and streamline your search so it is a proper comparison, not like your bus driver to engineer.
Now you say that if the bag room is subbed out it will have no effect on you, WHY????? What is to stop AC from saying that now the bag room is gone, lets sell off the rest! Are you ready to live on $17/hr because if that happens, this is what your wage will be.
FYI, the going rate is 80k plus, why do you have an issue with maintenance being paid the going wage?

[DrBoeing]

No, I know this Doctor Boeing fella, it's definitely not Pat Richards.

So how is life is YYZ bud? Got the bike out yet?

[Pat Richard]

I am beginning to believe Dr.Boeing is our friend Pat Richards in disguise. Anyone else think that?

Looking for some camaraderie, huh?

better luck next time.

[Schimunga]

No. Not looking for camaraderie. You two just sound the same.

So I shouldn't buy a lottery ticket then?

[DrBoeing]

I am beginning to believe Dr.Boeing is our friend Pat Richards in disguise. Anyone else think that?

Looking for some camaraderie, huh?

better luck next time.

Hi Pat

Since some think we are the same, I though I would say hello.

[Schimunga]

To Dr.Boeing--I have a question for you. No sarcasm when I ask this but do you feel that UPS AME's making over $100,000/yr and TransAt guys at $82,000/yr is adequate pay for what AME's do?

[DrBoeing]

To Dr.Boeing--I have a question for you. No sarcasm when I ask this but do you feel that UPS AME's making over $100,000/yr and TransAt guys at $82,000/yr is adequate pay for what AME's do?

I am actually stunned at the UPS guys wage. Had the economy not crapped the bed, I would say that 90k for an AME is fair, but with the economy being very fragile, 82k is fair at this point in time. I am talking base salary.

[Pat Richard]

I am beginning to believe Dr.Boeing is our friend Pat Richards in disguise. Anyone else think that?

Looking for some camaraderie, huh?

better luck next time.

Hi Pat

Since some think we are the same,

Aren't we ....??????

I though I would say hello.

Hello to you too, Doc.

[Schimunga]

So is this more of an Air Canada screwing its employee's out of better pay? It seems that this topic always goes that way seeing that AME's at the other airlines seem to be getting decent pay.

And Pat it's good to see you laughing because I hated seeing you miserable all the time.

[DrBoeing]

So is this more of an Air Canada screwing its employee's out of better pay? It seems that this topic always goes that way seeing that AME's at the other airlines seem to be getting decent pay.

And Pat it's good to see you laughing because I hated seeing you miserable all the time.

Good question. I think AC has realized that its AME availability is sliding. They are aware that the pay is poor compared to the LCC's such as West Jet and TransAt but also their reputation does not help any either.
If you listen to all the horse crap spewed by the management, they say that they know the ewages need to be in line with the others then they turn around and say that due to the structure of the bargaining unit they are fearful that they can not accommodate the maintenance concerns.
Our union is the larger of the stumbling blocks! The maintenance department has been seeking a separate unit for years but the IAM has made it very very clear it is not interested in permitting such a split. They are well aware that this would leave the airports group vulnerable and since the IAM is mainly airports run, we in maintenance will never have our concerns properly addressed.

[torx]

Well DrBoeing,
that certainly aroused your concern? Why is that? Subbing of anything will have nil-zero effect on myself. But obviously you've vented the thought that you yearn for the Rampies to be displaced! Fact is that the Mtce. branch has become a dishevelled mess full of malcontent and disarray, especially after the Canadian/AC merge. After continuous in-fighting amongst yourselves you left Big Red no choice but to heave the bulk of Mtce. Do you think elitism could be behind this?
I mean a Stock-Keeper earning $50K/year, but that's OK right...he's in the Mtce. branch.
And BTW, I'm not "wound up" about anything. You are my unhappy Mech!!
And will also do some research on what Rampies make in the USA that work for airlines and I will surely post here for you when I find the info. Maybe try to find some info on Canadian MRO shops too!! See how they compare to your wage!
Cheers!!

Check out the post by YYZ Monkey...informative!
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=73141&start=175

You can label me a malcontent all you wish! You have answered my question as to being a station attendant, and you are the one who initiated the argument about the pay and how you seem to think we in maintenance are fairly paid.
As I have said before, you as a SA are the best paid in North America, your beloved IAM does everything it can to ensure that your wage remains high but does not do the same for the maint division. It uses maint as a bargaining chip. The latest round the chair of the negots committee is quoted as saying "if you guys in maintenance think you are going to get more than the airports world, FORGET IT" and this after he conceded that we in maint are far behind the other airline, why was this said, because he is an airports guy!
Go and look at all the MRO's you want, start with Cascade who BTW are paid better than I am,Look at manufacturing as well, Boeing pays more than AC does, as does Bombardier, and streamline your search so it is a proper comparison, not like your bus driver to engineer.
Now you say that if the bag room is subbed out it will have no effect on you, WHY????? What is to stop AC from saying that now the bag room is gone, lets sell off the rest! Are you ready to live on $17/hr because if that happens, this is what your wage will be.
FYI, the going rate is 80k plus, why do you have an issue with maintenance being paid the going wage?

Well DrBoeing or Spin DrBoeing, true to my word I have done a little research..."streamlined" as you asked.
Firstly, I did not or shall not argue about what you as an AME should be paid. I simply asked how much you think your wage should be? Of course, since you thought you were being challenged by a Rampie, you flew into a fit of rage while pounding away on your keyboard. The idea of me challenging you on your comment was due to the perpetual degradation of the Rampies everytime it's contract negotiation time. This was evident in your first or second post on this thread. Your insinuating comments make it sound as if your lifestyle is miserable because you are lumped in the same union as the Rampies. Secondly, it's not the Rampies fault. The dues go to the IAM and that's all most Rampies know. Thirdly, you seemed to skirt around the issue of a Lead Stock Keeper who makes $27.50/hr. This position was part of Mtce. a few months ago, so did you feel that position was an overpaid unskilled job as well? Truly, I don't give a damn! Just trying to compare apples to apples. And are you for the Mtce. branch as a whole or just the Licenced people? I guess that would be ACM or Aveos?
As far as Cascade Aerospace? C'mon...your not really going to compare wages, working conditions, benefits and DB pension to Cascade?
As far as comparing working wages to our Southern friends I simply used a website http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Emp ... ourly_Rate
to gather some average wage scales. I used the top 4 airlines in the USA and a couple of smaller ones. I'm not going to type out all that is to be seen when you can simply click on the link to see for yourself.
Average Mtce. wages for US airlines which are not broken down by licences or categories is $28/hr avg. Note that this is only an average taken from the website.
Average Rampies wages from the same US airlines is $15.50. I'm not even going to post or ask you to post the average wage for an AME at Air Canada.
It's a bit of a challenge to average out the wages for AC Rampies because of the convoluted mix of wages scales and use of P/T employees, but at least 35% are P/T probably earning between $10.80 - $12/hr. At least 20-25% are new hires within the last 2 years. They are between $12-$14 average. So that leaves about 40% of the Rampies who are the core of $16-25/hr. There seems to be a revolving door for Rampies coming and going within the first year or 2 so I think the percentages are somewhat stable. So I did an average wage scale for the Rampies based on their Collective Agreement and I come out to about $18/hr. Almost in line with the YYZ Airport Authority's future in-house Baggage people you previously mentioned. This is for the rampies only, which you seem to have the most concern. I know the AMEs have no P/T employees at Air Canada.
As for the IAM Zealot comment? Not sure if that's an insult or a compliment. I prefer it to be an insult...thank you very much!
BTW...I am not your enemy! The Rampies are not your enemy. I may very well be in the same Bay as you!!

Cheers!

[ourkid2000]

On one hand I feel for the AME's at Air Canada but at the same time I can't help but be annoyed with them.......and here's my reason.

There is no doubt that the AME's at Air Canada are handicapped by their connection to the rampies. I cannot believe that rampies and AME's have the same interests in mind when negots start. All the airlines I have worked for over the years, we bargained separately and I cannot imagine it any other way.

The AME's at Air Canada had their chance to leave the IAW and go with CAMA (mechs only union) and they voted to stay with the IAMAW. It boggled my mind when that happened, but perhaps there's more to this story that I know.

For the record.....I started as a Rampie at AC and worked there for many years before I got fed up and became an AME

[DrBoeing]

On one hand I feel for the AME's at Air Canada but at the same time I can't help but be annoyed with them.......and here's my reason.

There is no doubt that the AME's at Air Canada are handicapped by their connection to the rampies. I cannot believe that rampies and AME's have the same interests in mind when negots start. All the airlines I have worked for over the years, we bargained separately and I cannot imagine it any other way.

The AME's at Air Canada had their chance to leave the IAW and go with CAMA (mechs only union) and they voted to stay with the IAMAW. It boggled my mind when that happened, but perhaps there's more to this story that I know.

For the record.....I started as a Rampie at AC and worked there for many years before I got fed up and became an AME

I am going to correct you. We went in front of the the CIRB and it was the CIRB that shot us down. We had 75% of the maint staff signed up!
There is an internal war going on now with the IAM as the maint staff has had enough of the nonsense. The chair of the present negots committee has a hate on for maint and has made public statements that should have had the fool tossed from negots, but the executive of the IAM is run by Airports people and will not ever let maint have its own unit knowing full well that airports would be left to fall in line with the rest of their part of the industry.
Things may be changing though. With the HEAVY MAINTENANCE portion about to be carved off, I seem to recall that this now opens the door for any union to become the representation for either group, and it is well known that the Teamsters are interested.

[DrBoeing]

Well DrBoeing,
that certainly aroused your concern? Why is that? Subbing of anything will have nil-zero effect on myself. But obviously you've vented the thought that you yearn for the Rampies to be displaced! Fact is that the Mtce. branch has become a dishevelled mess full of malcontent and disarray, especially after the Canadian/AC merge. After continuous in-fighting amongst yourselves you left Big Red no choice but to heave the bulk of Mtce. Do you think elitism could be behind this?
I mean a Stock-Keeper earning $50K/year, but that's OK right...he's in the Mtce. branch.
And BTW, I'm not "wound up" about anything. You are my unhappy Mech!!
And will also do some research on what Rampies make in the USA that work for airlines and I will surely post here for you when I find the info. Maybe try to find some info on Canadian MRO shops too!! See how they compare to your wage!
Cheers!!

Check out the post by YYZ Monkey...informative!
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=73141&start=175

You can label me a malcontent all you wish! You have answered my question as to being a station attendant, and you are the one who initiated the argument about the pay and how you seem to think we in maintenance are fairly paid.
As I have said before, you as a SA are the best paid in North America, your beloved IAM does everything it can to ensure that your wage remains high but does not do the same for the maint division. It uses maint as a bargaining chip. The latest round the chair of the negots committee is quoted as saying "if you guys in maintenance think you are going to get more than the airports world, FORGET IT" and this after he conceded that we in maint are far behind the other airline, why was this said, because he is an airports guy!
Go and look at all the MRO's you want, start with Cascade who BTW are paid better than I am,Look at manufacturing as well, Boeing pays more than AC does, as does Bombardier, and streamline your search so it is a proper comparison, not like your bus driver to engineer.
Now you say that if the bag room is subbed out it will have no effect on you, WHY????? What is to stop AC from saying that now the bag room is gone, lets sell off the rest! Are you ready to live on $17/hr because if that happens, this is what your wage will be.
FYI, the going rate is 80k plus, why do you have an issue with maintenance being paid the going wage?

Well DrBoeing or Spin DrBoeing, true to my word I have done a little research..."streamlined" as you asked.
Firstly, I did not or shall not argue about what you as an AME should be paid. I simply asked how much you think your wage should be? Of course, since you thought you were being challenged by a Rampie, you flew into a fit of rage while pounding away on your keyboard. The idea of me challenging you on your comment was due to the perpetual degradation of the Rampies everytime it's contract negotiation time. This was evident in your first or second post on this thread. Your insinuating comments make it sound as if your lifestyle is miserable because you are lumped in the same union as the Rampies. Secondly, it's not the Rampies fault. The dues go to the IAM and that's all most Rampies know. Thirdly, you seemed to skirt around the issue of a Lead Stock Keeper who makes $27.50/hr. This position was part of Mtce. a few months ago, so did you feel that position was an overpaid unskilled job as well? Truly, I don't give a damn! Just trying to compare apples to apples. And are you for the Mtce. branch as a whole or just the Licenced people? I guess that would be ACM or Aveos?
As far as Cascade Aerospace? C'mon...your not really going to compare wages, working conditions, benefits and DB pension to Cascade?
As far as comparing working wages to our Southern friends I simply used a website http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Emp ... ourly_Rate
to gather some average wage scales. I used the top 4 airlines in the USA and a couple of smaller ones. I'm not going to type out all that is to be seen when you can simply click on the link to see for yourself.
Average Mtce. wages for US airlines which are not broken down by licences or categories is $28/hr avg. Note that this is only an average taken from the website.
Average Rampies wages from the same US airlines is $15.50. I'm not even going to post or ask you to post the average wage for an AME at Air Canada.
It's a bit of a challenge to average out the wages for AC Rampies because of the convoluted mix of wages scales and use of P/T employees, but at least 35% are P/T probably earning between $10.80 - $12/hr. At least 20-25% are new hires within the last 2 years. They are between $12-$14 average. So that leaves about 40% of the Rampies who are the core of $16-25/hr. There seems to be a revolving door for Rampies coming and going within the first year or 2 so I think the percentages are somewhat stable. So I did an average wage scale for the Rampies based on their Collective Agreement and I come out to about $18/hr. Almost in line with the YYZ Airport Authority's future in-house Baggage people you previously mentioned. This is for the rampies only, which you seem to have the most concern. I know the AMEs have no P/T employees at Air Canada.
As for the IAM Zealot comment? Not sure if that's an insult or a compliment. I prefer it to be an insult...thank you very much!
BTW...I am not your enemy! The Rampies are not your enemy. I may very well be in the same Bay as you!!

Cheers!

UPS,going to $53.20
FedEx ,$44.60
Southwest, $43.03
AA rejected a TA of $37.10
United $35.80
Air Tran, $35.59
And these are all 2010 wages, if you are in the same bay which lets not kid ourselves you are not, you would know this as this was sent out by the IAM to the tech ops people!
Let me make something very clear, you are the one spinning crap! You say in one breath that you may be in the same bay as me, then in another line you say that you know that there are no part time AME's, if you were maint you would not even have had to mention that. you also said you did your research and realized that you could not challenge my assertions that my AC wage is lagging behind, if you were maint you would already know this! Added to that is your obvious vast knowledge of the airports world. Come clean!
FYI, Stores is not maintenance, they are logistic and supply and they too are general labour, but if this is what the rest of the industry is paying, then it is not an issue.
My issue is not the Station attendants, my issue is a union run by station attendants, station attendants who refuse to allow maintenance to have its own bargaining unit knowing full well that this would result in the airports world having to fall in line with the rest of the outfits out there. A negots chair who admits that the maint staff are way behind in wages but states in a public forum that there is no way in hell he is going to allow us to get a level playing field if the SA's are not given the same increase, and also using a line you used above about us in maint having a DB pension so therefore we can not have the same wage as those ahead of us. Well lets apply your logic to the airports group. Cut your wages to the Handlex wage and then factor in the DB and take another 14% wage cut, and then you will be in the same situation as the maint guys.
Kind of stings when reality slaps you in the face doesn't it Torx.
I do not begrudge you SA anything, I am telling you it is time for us to part ways. The only thing we have in common is the vacation policy as well as the sick policy.

[rubberboot]

UPS,going to $53.20

Just out of curiousity, has UPS settled with their union yet. last I had heard, they were working without a contract for the last 5yrs or so.

Management and employee relations doesn't seem to be UPS's thing.... although, the last strike they went on, the GDP of the USA dropped like 5%. Wow.

[DrBoeing]

UPS,going to $53.20

Just out of curiousity, has UPS settled with their union yet. last I had heard, they were working without a contract for the last 5yrs or so.

Management and employee relations doesn't seem to be UPS's thing.... although, the last strike they went on, the GDP of the USA dropped like 5%. Wow.

They settled in March

[rubberboot]

Ok, good to know.

Thanks