Past closing date on the job ad for metro FOs. Anyone know if they have started interviewing? Didn't get a call yet ...
I know, illegal xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx probably have too much dignity to accept the pay. But I am too lazy to work for a living, so i've got to make this being a pilot thing work. I'm stuck up north making a comparable salary. I figure poverty down south is better then poverty up north, right? More people walking by to drop quarters in the ol' cup. Seriously. I play a mean fiddle and I figure I can enjoy the downtown on weekends, dressed in my old rampie clothes, playing for quarters.
They emailed me the other day to complete an "online interview request to further determine my potential fit for the company".
Must just be another piece of the drawn out process of hiring I guess.
Great so they pay you 19K for an FO and make you go through a multi-stage process to determine if you're a fit in the company... you mean if you a big enough b*tch for the company hah! You must really have no self-respect to work for someone like that.
I'm going to but a few planes and have you whores come work for me for free. Then I'll bring my Aston by and you can wash it for me while you drool. Professional pilots you are not!
Filled out the "Online interview" as well. Looked more like a tool to sort their applications if you ask me. From what I hear the typicall operate M-F kinda deal so i'm not execting any response til tuesday at the earliest.
This info may be a bit outdated now, I know there was talk of a pay review at some point... But anyway...
Pay (assuming you fly the SA226 and SA227)
Captain - +/- $42,000/yr 1st year plus per diems of +/- $7500/yr
FO - +/- $21,000/yr plus same per diem
There's an extended benefit package. Salary goes up $4K per year. Captains get paid extra for training.
Schedule
Monday to Friday, varies somewhat but in general. Sometimes you get reserve days which basically become days off... depends on staffing, lucky to get a couple a month. FedEx in YYC, BDC, DHL and Purolator in YVR. Duty days depend on the destination from 9 or 10 hours up to 14 hours with day holds - in hotels for YVR crews; at the airport for YYC crews. There is also a graveyard run 4 nights a week for Purolator/Canada Post.
You'll fly 900 or 1000 hours a year give or take and upgrade when they need you to. I think it's pretty fast in there right now though for anyone bringing something to the table. Guys have upgraded with 1500 hours.
If you have turboprop or especially garrett experience or at least something beyond piston singles and navajos you can maybe negotiate something better.
Lots of guys have left there to 705 ops - AC, Jazz, WestJet, Porter, Hawkair...
altiplano wrote:This info may be a bit outdated now, I know there was talk of a pay review at some point... But anyway...
Pay (assuming you fly the SA226 and SA227)
Captain - +/- $42,000/yr 1st year plus per diems of +/- $7500/yr
FO - +/- $21,000/yr plus same per diem
Monday to Friday, varies somewhat but in general. Sometimes you get reserve days which basically become days off... depends on staffing, lucky to get a couple a month. FedEx in YYC, BDC, DHL and Purolator in YVR. Duty days depend on the destination from 9 or 10 hours up to 14 hours with day holds - in hotels for YVR crews; at the airport for YYC crews. There is also a graveyard run 4 nights a week for Purolator/Canada Post.
Guess if you break it down to flying hours/credit whatever you want to call it it's a better hourly rate...
Funny industry we are in where the time you are sitting around waiting can be counted as not working... not making excuses, just saying... it's problem all the way to the "best" airline jobs.
does anyone know if they have sent the job offers yet?
i did the online interview, then i got a phone call a week later, and still "waiting" the result....
thanks!
Just out of curiosity, with their new ads recruiting and such, whats the current pay over there for Captain/FOs? Still paying pennies or starting to pay half decently?
Per Diems don't count, agreed. But the fact of the matter is, because you are home every night, in this job you could easily save your per diems.
In many jobs where you have lots of overnight trips, you have no choice but to spend your per diems.
In the Carson operation, someone brown baggin' it could save 100% of their per diems. Carson leverages that to convince potential employees that you are actually making more than your salary. At the end of the day home cooked food is way healthier and cheaper than restaurant food anyways.
$21k a year for a turbine F/O is a disgrace to whomever decides to put their hard earned license and time up north or instructing to use. Not to mention, an $18k bond to be signed? are you kidding me?! Part time Navajo FO/rampies at our company make $24k a year to start! Anyone who is considering accepting these poor financial terms just make companies continue to low ball our profession. Also, we don't have the big city expenses such as Carson pilots, so a good chunk of money is left over for savings/loan repayment/beer money etc. Choose your company wisely. Do you want to be stuck in a big city scraping by on a basement suite rent, or try living up north a few years and enjoy this country and get paid a decent wage? Think about it.
End of rant.
for those of you who tell low timers that taking a 19k job is not the way to go - if you don't mind, write down at the beginning of your post how many hours you currently have.
It is always easy to seat on top of the hill and tell others what to do.
It is not the young 250hr pilot fault for taking the 19K a year job. it is the big dogs fault that do not fight for justice.. big dogs that have 10-20 years of experience, 5-10k of flying hours and spare time to seat down and write things like "if you go to Carson you have no self respect".
N1 Green wrote:for those of you who tell low timers that taking a 19k job is not the way to go - if you don't mind, write down at the beginning of your post how many hours you currently have.
It is always easy to seat on top of the hill and tell others what to do.
It is not the young 250hr pilot fault for taking the 19K a year job. it is the big dogs fault that do not fight for justice.. big dogs that have 10-20 years of experience, 5-10k of flying hours and spare time to seat down and write things like "if you go to Carson you have no self respect".
Hypocrisy is the official word.
It's not the young 250hr pilot's fault that they are taking the jobs, its the lack of mentors in this industry coaching the 250hr pilots and telling them there are better options out there and how to go about finding them. I'm not perfect, and I don't profess to be. I worked at Carson Air, and I was told to go work there by a friend who had a lot more experience than I did. He may not have known the true conditions, but regardless, it was bad advice. I'm here now trying to communicate to the younger, less experienced men and women who are considering this job. I'm not asking them to hold out to spite Carson. Kevin Carson is a business man and he's just doing business. I'm trying to talk them out of for their own sake. I lived in the gutter, took massive credit card debt and sat their towing the company line as I was paired with 1800hr captains, with 300hrs multi and 300hrs on type flying in some seriously treacherous winter conditions. I myself only had 1100hrs and no time on type. I watched as friends I made at the company got pushed into making bad calls and even took an airplane off the end of a runway causing some significant damage to the aircraft and resulting in one pilot's termination of employment. Do you think that is going to help them progress their careers? Carson Air is not a healthy learning environment for aspiring aviators. If people are applying to Carson they are already flying in this industry. My advice is stay the course at your current employers and wait until something more respectable opens up. As much as people rag on operators such as CMA and GGN, they are far and away better than Carson, and their FO requirements aren't much higher.
Call me a hypocrite if you wan't. I'm just trying to share some perspective
N1 Green wrote:for those of you who tell low timers that taking a 19k job is not the way to go - if you don't mind, write down at the beginning of your post how many hours you currently have.
It is always easy to seat on top of the hill and tell others what to do.
It is not the young 250hr pilot fault for taking the 19K a year job. it is the big dogs fault that do not fight for justice.. big dogs that have 10-20 years of experience, 5-10k of flying hours and spare time to seat down and write things like "if you go to Carson you have no self respect".
Hypocrisy is the official word.
I'm definitely not high time..1400 hrs. I started 2.5 yrs ago with 230 hrs.
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