Harper shows Obama what a spine is

[Moose47]

It does not matter how much territory Israel gives up, it will never be enough for Hamas. As long as Hamas is hellbent on erasing Israel off the face of the earth. Israel should stand fast and tell them to go f**k themselves. May the curse of a thousand camels fleas infest your armpits Hamas!

[Rockie]

It does not matter how much territory Israel gives up, it will never be enough for Hamas. As long as Hamas is hellbent on erasing Israel off the face of the earth. Israel should stand fast and tell them to go f**k themselves. May the curse of a thousand camels fleas infest your armpits Hamas!

They don't necessarily need Hamas onside. If they can hammer something out that the majority of the Arab world agrees with they will keep Hamas in line, especially if it's in their own interest. What is certain is that the formula for the last 60 years hasn't worked very well and the fallout is worldwide.

[Shiny Side Up]

So the Soviet Union was never a superpower then?

Not really, though they did make a good show of it. Often our own people were complicit in the charade. One must admit that the world seemed much more simpler when we had some bad guys. One of the few things to become apparent after the collapse of communism, was how shoddy a structure it had become, the outcome of the cold war was never really in doubt when one could compare the actual numbers.

One of the problems the Sovs inherited from the old Russian empire was the inability to project power globally, unlike their British competition, and later the Americans.

[iflyforpie]

So the Soviet Union was never a superpower then?

Not really, though they did make a good show of it. Often our own people were complicit in the charade. One must admit that the world seemed much more simpler when we had some bad guys. One of the few things to become apparent after the collapse of communism, was how shoddy a structure it had become, the outcome of the cold war was never really in doubt when one could compare the actual numbers.

We might be saying the same thing in a few years about the US with it's growing debts and printing money like it is growing on trees. All that happened really to effect the collapse of the Soviet Union is the US went on a military spending spree under Reagan (600 ship Navy, B1, B2, SDI, et al) and Ivan flinched first.

One of the problems the Sovs inherited from the old Russian empire was the inability to project power globally, unlike their British competition, and later the Americans.

I'm not so sure about that. Look at Cuba, North Korea, North Vietnam, and a host of African countries that were either Communist because of direct Soviet influence or received substantial foreign aid from them. Most played important and very concerning roles in keeping the West in check and ending colonialism. This is without mentioning the Iron Curtain that encompassed pretty much all of Eastern Europe.

Though they never really had a 'blue water navy' like the British Empire and the US, their possession of large numbers of nuclear ballistic and cruise missile submarines made them a formidable opponent.

[Beefitarian]

8 of the last 12 winners of the National Spelling Bee were from India. Its a superpower that cant read, not very sustainable.

Oh Immigrants. Gotcha. See people blame whitey for making America great but it was not regular ones it was immigrants. Now that too many whiteys were born here they're lazy and just want freedom fries and iPhones with rap artist ring tones.

[bmc]

Nice to see someone playing Netanyahu's lap dog. Harper does wonders for Canada's image abroad. Total hayseed.

[azimuthaviation]

8 of the last 12 winners of the National Spelling Bee were from India. Its a superpower that cant read, not very sustainable.

Oh Immigrants. Gotcha. See people blame whitey for making America great but it was not regular ones it was immigrants. Now that too many whiteys were born here they're lazy and just want freedom fries and iPhones with rap artist ring tones.

<<Only 12 percent of Americans are foreign-born, the NFAP report says. Even so, children of immigrants took 70 percent of the finalist slots in the 2011 Intel Science Talent Search Competition, an original-research competition for high school seniors.>>

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/201 ... llbmNlYQ--

And of that 70% none were immigrants from Europe, all were from "third world"

[Beefitarian]

That's what I'm saying when the population was a higher percent of people immigrating here they wanted to come and help make the best place on Earth. Now that there's too many people born here and all the do is hold out their hands and say, "Gimme, I want my Obama bucks and free docterin."

[Expat]

8 of the last 12 winners of the National Spelling Bee were from India. Its a superpower that cant read, not very sustainable.

Oh Immigrants. Gotcha. See people blame whitey for making America great but it was not regular ones it was immigrants. Now that too many whiteys were born here they're lazy and just want freedom fries and iPhones with rap artist ring tones.

<<Only 12 percent of Americans are foreign-born, the NFAP report says. Even so, children of immigrants took 70 percent of the finalist slots in the 2011 Intel Science Talent Search Competition, an original-research competition for high school seniors.>>

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/201 ... llbmNlYQ--

And of that 70% none were immigrants from Europe, all were from "third world"

+1

The real whities red necks are fighting the war here, because they cannot get a real job...

[Moose47]

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The real whities red necks are fighting the war here, because they cannot get a real job>>>

What a bloody assinine statement. Nothing like stereotyping is there!

[winds_in_flight_wtf]

The real whities red necks are fighting the war here, because they cannot get a real job...

Surprise Surprise ... taking on the side which is anti-west and pro (your affiliation) . Its not like I have seen this trend from you before Expat. I would clarify your statement if i were you. Can be misinterpreted for disrespecting our troops abroad.

[winds_in_flight_wtf]

Thinking things through? You mean like: his instruction to NASA to reach out to Muslims; giving the middle-finger to Congress over the War Powers Act and Libya; flip-flopping like he’s on crack over Afghanistan, Iraq, Guantanamo, the Patriot Act ..you name it. Even seeing a reasonable facsimile of his birth certificate was like pulling teeth. I wasn’t a huge fan of the shrub, but this guy is something else. He’s a hustler in well-creased trousers.

If Obama cured HIV - You would still shoot him up for not curing Cancer. There is no win with people like you. Go to bed.

[Expat]

The real whities red necks are fighting the war here, because they cannot get a real job...

Surprise Surprise ... taking on the side which is anti-west and pro (your affiliation) . Its not like I have seen this trend from you before Expat. I would clarify your statement if i were you. Can be misinterpreted for disrespecting our troops abroad.

I will!

The rate of 1st generation immigrants who want to partake in this war is much lower, than that of red necks who lack education, but want to save their country from evil. Here, I was referring broadly to western, anglosaxons, including Aussies.
This is not taking sides. This is merely stating that most intelligent parents will talk their kids out of going overseas and die, so that the country's flag continues flying at some remote forward operating base in the middle of nowhere, in a sh*tty country. Actually, the sh&ttiest!
No offense, winds, but I respect our troops, I respect the fact that this war is so expensive, that some kids cannot find a job, and do need the military salary to get them started in life. I will never blame the poor troops, who die for a cause, they understand nothing about, so that someone make a few dollars.
Sometimes, my gripes are misunderstood, but they are not against the people, against the troops. I am discussing at a higher level, where the real game is played.
I so wish that Canada could show a leadership in seeing through this BS, and not only pull out, but serve the world a lesson, in diplomacy, in economics, and in common sense.
We are doing well, in pulling out, and recognizing that patrolling dirt streets that at night, are the playing grounds of talibs is fruitless.

[Moose47]

" I will never blame the poor troops, who die for a cause, they understand nothing about, so that someone make a few dollars."

Oh really, you give our troops little credit. Everyone I know who has served in country, in some case two or three tours, knows exactly what they are getting into and why. They are not as naive as you would suggest. They can separate the wheat from the chaff. You should sit in on one of our briefings before each roto. It might crack open your closed mind just a little bit. So what kept you in for 20 years? "Couldn't find a real job?" <sarcasm off>.

'Pro Patria'

[bizjets101]

Hmmm, so the young troops are fully aware they are on the ground dying in Afghanistan so that Canadian Corporations can have unimpeded traded with our Big Brother next door, and their okay dying for that?

I should add, the USA Government out of real or perceived threats of trade disruptions should we not back their play - we are willing to exchange Canadian lives so the likes of the BC Timber doesn't get hit with Tariffs, and GM can still build cars in Ontario.

The reality is that is the ONLY reason Canada has troops in Afghanistan - period. We aren't defending anything, we're not fighting for something, there is nothing to win - we're not saving lives, and we have no goal what so ever - we can't even figure out how to leave.

[bizjets101]

http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/news-nouve ... ex-eng.asp

Not a very fair interpretation of a multi-cultural Canada - is it ????

[Nark]

It goes to show you who sucks at the teet, and who is willing to put something larger themselves on the line.

[Moose47]

"The reality is that is the ONLY reason Canada has troops in Afghanistan - period. We aren't defending anything, we're not fighting for something, there is nothing to win - we're not saving lives, and we have no goal what so ever - we can't even figure out how to leave."

Your statement is 100 % Grade A 'Bull! Remind me again how long you served in the military. I seemed to have forgotten. Then again, you are the one who let a very disgruntled self confessed left-wing poster mock your cousin's regiment (S.A.S.) with not so much as a word from you to defend him.

'Pro Patria'

[niss]

I'm a self proclaimed left winger. Does that also make my political views invalid?

[bizjets101]

Your statement is 100 % Grade A 'Bull! Remind me again how long you served in the military. I seemed to have forgotten. Then again, you are the one who let a very disgruntled self confessed left-wing poster mock your cousin's regiment (S.A.S.) with not so much as a word from you to defend him.

To Moose47 'Your either with me or against me'. ie; Taunt - Verb: Provoke or challenge (someone) with insulting remarks.

Hmmm, so in your opinion, (whoever you are??) I have to defend my family and myself from posters like you who are nothing more than Internet Heroes bullying anyone who doesn't share your narrow minded view?

Well Dude, I'm not going to disrespect Joe or AvCanada by sinking to your level - happy to disappoint you.

We just had a Federal Election - and Afghanistan or our troops weren't even a priority with the Canadian Leaders or our voters. The average person knows very little about Afghanistan or why we feel we are legally there.

Common sense tells me our troops on the ground are not of one ideology (the Moose47 Ideology ) , thus they all have their own individual ideas and opinions on why they are there - but come on - ten years of ever changing policies and rolls??

As for Afghanistan - feel free to explain why you think the Canadian Government volunteered our troops in Afghanistan - and avoided Iraq. Why Chretien and Martin kept us in a very minor roll - and Harper escalated it thru the roof, and only recently bowed to Canadian political pressure - then American pressure by announcing we're leaving - then we're staying to train - real leader quality!!

Of course that's rhetorical cause you can't make Moose47 answer to anyone hahaha

Moose you can believe what you want, Chretien agreed to send a small contingent to support America's legal argument that they were defending themselves by invading Afghanistan for their refusal to turn over Laden. Martin continued it but Harper put our troops needlessly in harms way bowing to US political pressure like a pawn.

Deleted (my parting jab) not actually posted out of respect to AvCanada . . .

Worth linking Expat's Toronto Star post from the Afghan thread;

http://www.thestar.com/article/1000853- ... fghanistan

[Moose47]

Thanks, Bizzy I needed a good laugh to start the day!

[Nark]

Next time I'm walking down the street eating my ice cream and see a monumental car accident, I'm going to be like you; sit back and watch. After all, the unconscious occupants haven't asked for help.

[bizjets101]

[Moose47]

"Next time I'm walking down the street eating my ice cream and see a monumental car accident, I'm going to be like you; sit back and watch. After all, the unconscious occupants haven't asked for help."

Ooh-rah!

Semper Fi Nark

P.S. I love peas

[bizjets101]

So what your saying, between the two of you, you guys really and truly have no idea why we're in Afghanistan.

Kool