Crash cykz?

[JDW]

Just got a cp24 update saying small plane crashed at buttonville, but I cant seem to find any info. Does anyone know the reg or any details?

[whistlerboy02]

I heard there was a Falcon Jet off runway 33 today around 4pm at Buttonville Gear down but sitting in the grass beside the runway ..... I wasnt there and never saw it sp its total goss.... at this point..... but I also heard it from a pretty good source so? time will tell. poor old Buttonville's having a bad year

[D_Thissen]

A Falcon 10 did go off the runway (33) at approx 1506 Local time today. Both Captain and F/O were uninjured. It came to rest just north of taxiway BA, east of taxiway B and south of runway 03 - 21. A few of my colleagues and I witnessed the incident but won't say what we saw in fear of speculation. However, I will say the gear was down and it did touch down on 33, not the taxiway as some media sources are reporting.

[amraam]

Any idea on the registration / flight number?

amraam

[Sulako]

http://flightaware.com/live/airport/CYK ... ;sort=DESC

Looks like Skycharter's Falcon 10 from Pearson.

The YYZ - YKZ flights are very short, with a very high workload. Absolutely no idea if that's relevant in this case - I wasn't there.

[D_Thissen]

C-GRIS

[Ashbringer]

We almost had crash at Buttonville on Saturday the 18th as well... A 172 pulled onto an active runway (after reading back the hold short) while a mooney was on the takeoff roll. Tower yelled out a few choice words, and bascially shut down the airport for 10 min not allowing anyone to talk on the frequeny.

Luckily the mooney had only just started thetakeoff roll and was able to stop safely

[whistlerboy02]

The CADORS are out here's the description

Narrative:

The Skycharter Limited Dassault Falcon 10 aircraft (C-GRIS, operating as flight SKL101) was concluding an IFR positioning flight from Toronto (LBPIA) (CYYZ) to Toronto (Buttonville) Municipal Airport (CYKZ). NAV CANADA staff at Buttonville Tower reported that the aircraft touched down hard and bounced into the grass east of the runway. Runway 33 was closed for 15 minutes. Ops. impact -- unknown.

Narrative:

UPDATE Supplemental information received from T.S.B. Daily Notification [#A11O0098]: The Skycharter Ltd. Dassault Falcon 10 (C-GRIS) was landing on runway 33 at Buttonville. The aircraft touched down to the right of the runway centerline and exited the runway on to the grass infield. The aircraft entered the adjacent taxiway before again exiting on to the grass where it struck a runway sign before coming to a stop. The aircraft was substantially damaged but no injuries were sustained by the two crew members. There was no fire and no evidence that the integrity of the wing fuel tanks was compromised

[capt.marvel]

A Falcon 10 did go off the runway (33) at approx 1506 Local time today. Both Captain and F/O were uninjured. It came to rest just north of taxiway BA, east of taxiway B and south of runway 03 - 21. A few of my colleagues and I witnessed the incident but won't say what we saw in fear of speculation. However, I will say the gear was down and it did touch down on 33, not the taxiway as some media sources are reporting.

Recounting events that you witnessed isn't speculation. Commenting opinion on why something happened is speculation, Daniel.

[BTD]

It reads as if he doesn't want to give his witness account on the fear that others will speculate what happened based on his observations.

[pelmet]

A Falcon 10 did go off the runway (33) at approx 1506 Local time today. Both Captain and F/O were uninjured. It came to rest just north of taxiway BA, east of taxiway B and south of runway 03 - 21. A few of my colleagues and I witnessed the incident but won't say what we saw in fear of speculation. However, I will say the gear was down and it did touch down on 33, not the taxiway as some media sources are reporting.

No follow-up was ever made with the report, so I thought I would read it.

https://www.tsb.gc.ca/sites/default/fil ... 1O0098.pdf

The best thing that the crew could have done was prepare as much as possible for the landing before even taking off. We used to do that on a 15 minute jet flight. Brief the likely approach before takeoff. In addition, they could have simply flow at around 200 knots(maybe don't even fully retract the flaps. The also could have aske for vectors to a 5 mile final or overhead for a visual approach.

Climbing to 4000' and accelerating to near 290 knots and accepting a tight left base was guaranteed to create a bad situation,

[pdw]

(0lder accident thread) The way you concluded it there seemed quite satisfactory, …nothing really to add,

Noticing this though:

A few of my colleagues and I witnessed the incident but won't say what we saw in fear of speculation.

As was mentioned in another thread, it should be perfectly OK to discuss some more after a report is out, despite being a done deal. So after some interpolation of WX-history again (had researched it back then as well) looks like indeed any windsock (ie if one visible outside the terminal window etc) may have shown 5-6 or so knots on the tail possible down there (at/after this touchdown at TDZE) and thus higher up component would have had to be at least that strong from South direction (WX-hist check of B.Bishop, Buttonville & Brampton — Wunderground) when turning fairly sharp from that base to final and not expecting that, thereby helping to make the described situation a lot tighter … re “tight” (description in the narrative in the above report / link).

[TeePeeCreeper]

A beautiful necropsy that only Avcanada could regal one with…

[pdw]

When trying to describe anything more difficult, unless presenting with some semblance of reasonable effort it will quickly get rejected … every time!

Looking back:
A British airshow aircraft (tragedy) over Toronto harbour did a sequence TIGHT turn (similar?) out of the ordinary 16 years earlier Sept 2 1995 at similar time of day … and looks like similar MSL/ASL altitude … and similar flight-direction involved, similar meteorology factors (components). I remember waiting patiently for a report to come out, yet it was hard to get details. To get the precise time of that accident occurrence took a bit of searching.

Somebody listed some more details on WIK
and that is where you will find that additional detail that “tighter” in the case of the Nimrod mr2 captain was due to not wanting to extend the dumbbell turn to be over the show crowd (not cool).

Note in the case of CYKZ here, that it actually appears the aircraft ALSO got slow in higher (increasing) groundspeed … just prior to reaching rwy 33 threshold.