A380 First Flight:Wednesday

bizjet_mania · Post by **bizjet_mania** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 7:47 pm

First off add another half decade to that number. and Cat go take some Aerodynamics course if you still think FireBombing doesn't put stress on the plane. Educate yourself so you can write something smart, cause you humour many.

Highflyinpilot · Post by **Highflyinpilot** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 8:58 pm

ouch, Bad place to go.

bizjet_mania · Post by **bizjet_mania** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 9:03 pm

hes the one that won't let it go...started with his fire bombing comment. after that hes always gotta make some smart a** comment to everything I write.

Cat Driver wrote:Bizjet_mania....

Where did you get this dumb idea from?

" Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:45 am Post subject:

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Fire bombing is very dangerous flying, and the planes take alot of abuse. "

Fire bombing is one of the safest and easiest jobs in aviation. So please tell me how all this abuse is caused?

Cat

Nuff said time to put this to rest.

costermonger · Post by **costermonger** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 9:41 pm

bizjet: I've taken all the same course you have and a fair number that you haven't, and let me tell you, you're not an expert. Credits earned towards a General Arts & Science diplomas does not an expert make.

Cut you losses bud. Remember that some of the people reading these threads know you in the meat world.

PS: you're welcome for the help I gave you to pass that aerodynamics class that you just told Cat to take.

greenguy · Post by **greenguy** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:43 pm

You guys are all a bunch of Jokers.

bizjet_mania · Post by **bizjet_mania** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:50 pm

well we try to humour each other

Right Seat Captain · Post by **Right Seat Captain** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:17 am

How else are we supposed to get through the day?

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:40 am

Right Seat Captain wrote:I put you at around 16 years old...anybody else?

16?? I'd put him 23-25. But he wear's a hockey helmet when he leaves the house.Certainly does not know too much about aviation. But do you really need to know that much to service the blue water at Pearson?

Localizer · Post by **Localizer** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:09 pm

Is it fair to say that people post stupid comments to get others backs up, only for attention? .. better to ignore than respond ..

I dunno about this 380 .. i think its more of a novelty than anything. I don't believe that todays markets really require an aircraft of this magnitude. I think Boeing has the right idea, todays aircraft are sufficient enough to do the overseas trips. I think people are looking for speed and comfort. I realize that the A380 can give them comfort, but wouldn't you rather be on an aircraft going overseas for 3-4 hours as oppose to 7-8? Regardless if there is an onboard casino or shopping mall?!?! .. Only a question. Doesn't much matter the plane is built and it fly's so .. skys the limit.

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:20 pm

Yea, Airbus spent a decade on producing a novelty. They didn't hire anyone to study the Euro-Asia markets...just thought it would be cool to build a big airplane . Come on now. If you don't care for hauling 800 Asians across the planet, no problem, but at least throw something reasonable up.

for 3-4 hours as oppose to 7-8

And just what does Boeing have that can cruise at double the speed of the 380?

Localizer · Post by **Localizer** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 8:17 pm

Deskgo ..

Ok my close minded friend ... if you don't think that Boeing hasn't been on the drawing boards working on something to compete you need to give your head a shake .. im pretty sure they wouldn't let this go unmatched!

As for your comments to the "novelty" issue (the plane isn't going to be a novelty .. to everyone ..

.. ) im not saying that the plane isn't going to work or do the job .. all I mean is that this plane has been a real cash cow for Airbus and it better bring in the returns, or you'll start to see a lot of cancelled orders. This is a big bet on there part that this is the way of the future. I believe that the flying public is looking for more. I think people wanna just get there, not spend there day on an airplane "shopping", or playing cards .. (or be crammed into an airplane with 799 other people) .. and from what Boeing has been saying, they are betting on the same thing. If they really thought that bigger was better wouldn't they have continued there massive 747-X program? .. they have been talking about constructing an airplane geared toward speed .. with comfort of course. So I guess only the future will tell ..

Do you think its really called for to make comments like "throw something resonable up"? I thought this was a forum for all comments? Huh?

bizjet_mania · Post by **bizjet_mania** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 8:22 pm

keep the comments coming i just hope this doesn't turn into an Airbus vs. Boeing war

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:25 am

Localizer wrote:Deskgo ..

Ok my close minded friend ... if you don't think that Boeing hasn't been on the drawing boards working on something to compete you need to give your head a shake .. im pretty sure they wouldn't let this go unmatched!

As for your comments to the "novelty" issue (the plane isn't going to be a novelty .. to everyone .. .. ) im not saying that the plane isn't going to work or do the job .. all I mean is that this plane has been a real cash cow for Airbus and it better bring in the returns, or you'll start to see a lot of cancelled orders. This is a big bet on there part that this is the way of the future. I believe that the flying public is looking for more. I think people wanna just get there, not spend there day on an airplane "shopping", or playing cards .. (or be crammed into an airplane with 799 other people) .. and from what Boeing has been saying, they are betting on the same thing. If they really thought that bigger was better wouldn't they have continued there massive 747-X program? .. they have been talking about constructing an airplane geared toward speed .. with comfort of course. So I guess only the future will tell ..

Do you think its really called for to make comments like "throw something resonable up"? I thought this was a forum for all comments? Huh?

I absolutely think it was called for, because at least you upped the intelligence of your post on the second run. Your ideas are much more clearly stated, so you should be thanking me

...Just kidding...

I agree with everything you said in that second post. But...

I gave my head a shake and still have yet to come up with an aircraft that has cruise speeds that will in turn offer the "3-4 hour legs as oppose to 7-8" that you spoke of. If you think Boeing is going supersonic, I wouldn't bet on it for a long time. The next time you see a supersonic civil aircraft, it will have gold trim and plush carpets inside, with someone like Bill Gates sitting in the comfiest chair.

I'm not a Boeing or an Airbus guy, I am an industry guy, and when Boeing comes out with their latest marvel, I will be right there cheering that one on too.

ah79ca · Post by **ah79ca** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 5:11 pm

When i saw the footage of the A380 taking off, i remember that Boing showed of their new model of the Boing 787 or 797, can't remember. Its capacity will be around 650 passengers.

I personaly think that the new Boing ( whenever it come out ) will be much more suitable. Yes, the A380 is a nice plane, but just a bit to big for my opinion, it not like that airfares are getting cheaper.

Anyway, does anyone know who had the honor of sitting in the left seat, or right seat, the first time it took off. How old are those guys?
I am wondering what the captin of the A380 makes a year? Maybe 250'000/year ?

Cheers

Yoyoma · Post by **Yoyoma** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 5:42 pm

ah79ca wrote:Its capacity will be around 650 passengers.

I don't think the 787 is meant to carry 650 pax. There has been no orders yet for a 850 pax config on the A380.

Anyway, does anyone know who had the honor of sitting in the left seat, or right seat, the first time it took off. How old are those guys?
I am wondering what the captin of the A380 makes a year? Maybe 250'000/year ?

Cheers

Chief Test pilot Jacques Rosay and Co-pilot Claude Lelaie. The average test pilot salary at Airbus is around 100 000 Euros. There are some who earn more and some, less.

A330 · Post by **A330** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:47 pm

I love the Air Canada guys that can jump so quickly from the Airbus camp into the Boeing camp.........just like sheep. Cracks me up.......

CClub · Post by **CClub** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 9:06 am

If they really thought that bigger was better wouldn't they have continued there massive 747-X program? .. they have been talking about constructing an airplane geared toward speed .. with comfort of course. So I guess only the future will tell ..

Uh, that was called the Sonic Cruiser. It was shelved a long time ago. And if you think speed is needed, think about the Concorde.

As for the 747ADV, that's been on and off the drawing board for years, and hasn't been officially launched.[/quote]

Localizer · Post by **Localizer** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 1:22 pm

Boeing already squashed that project .. (747) .. Thats the difference between the 2 companies (Boeing and Airbus) .. Airbus believes bigger is better, Boeing disagrees and believes they will develope and a/c people want. So we'll see ..

Concorde's only down fall was that it couldn't carry any cargo .. I think that there is a place in this industry for a super-sonic pax a/c .. they just have to design one that has the same capabilities or more than todays a/c to transport goods.

Really doesn't matter right now anyways .. we'll have to wait and see what the future brings ..

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 1:46 pm

Localizer wrote:
Concorde's only down fall was that it couldn't carry any cargo ..

You don't think operating costs had anything to do with it?

EI-EIO · Post by **EI-EIO** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 8:43 pm

747 Advanced is NOT shelved and is NOT the Sonic Cruiser. CX/BA still looking at it, and Cargolux for the F model.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747#747_Advanced
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Sonic_Cruiser

Vickers vanguard · Post by **Vickers vanguard** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 11:04 pm

bizjet-mania,

Props are for boats.....welcome to the jet age bla bla bla bla.....
the jet aparatus you seem to be so impressed with has a big prop(fan) at the very front end.
And before you answer with another stupid post.....I'd like to inform you that I worked on turbofans that ranged from 23000 to 90000 lbf.....so don't bother arguing about jet shits !!!
One last advice, think twice before asking people to " get an aerodynamics course " (as if yourself knew something about it),because those people flew and fixed all kind of flying machines for longer than you've lived.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sun May 01, 2005 9:08 am

Hey, Vickers, what the hell would I know about water bombers?

I only had fifteen years as a heavy water bomber Captain and that really is not enough time to get to know anything.

Bizjet has to be in the house when the street lights come on or mommy and daddy will take his computer away from him.

Cat

Localizer · Post by **Localizer** » Sun May 01, 2005 11:57 am

Deskgo ..

Sorry .. I forgot to double check my thread and correct it .. I believe its biggest, (not only) down fall was that it couldn't carry cargo. Deskgo .. ever thought about giving up aviation and becoming .. say an editor? .. I'll ask the webmaster if there is enough space next time to write a hundred page essay so I don't leave any points out that could really effect the focus of this thread.

costermonger · Post by **costermonger** » Sun May 01, 2005 2:40 pm

Localizer wrote:Thats the difference between the 2 companies (Boeing and Airbus) .. Airbus believes bigger is better, Boeing disagrees and believes they will develope and a/c people want.

Don't you think the lack of a Boeing competitor to the A380 might have something to do with money? It takes a long time and a lot of money to produce an aircraft that big, and once they're built they actually have to sell to somebody. Airbus didn't build the A380 just because they could, they built it because they think it will sell enough to be profitable. Without direct competition from a new Boeing jet in the same class, they stand a much better chance of success. Unless the Boeing jet was vastly superior or inferior to the A380, all it would do is make it harder for either company to make money off of their respective design. I think it was a smart move on their part to avoid direct competition with the A380 and instead focus on building a plane for a different type of operation.

I might be wrong, but if I was in charge of Boeing, I wouldn't be very eager to take on the A380 when a whole lot of airlines are looking for something completely different.

A380 First Flight:Wednesday

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