Student, instructor die in Vancouver plane crash - 2011

[iflyqeo]

Just saw this in the news ...... terrible news.

Canadian Press

VANCOUVER — Two people have died in the crash of a light plane in the Fraser Valley, east of Vancouver.

RCMP Insp. Bryon Massie says the plane went down late Tuesday afternoon.

He says search and rescue crews and the coroner were preparing to recover the bodies from the wreckage at first light.

Transportation Safety Board investigator Bill Yearwood confirms the Cessna crashed near Harrison Lake after taking off from the Boundary Bay airport south of Vancouver.

He says it was being flown by a student with an instructor aboard and was on a training exercise.

The two victims have not been identified.

[modi13]

A terrible tragedy; I knew the instructor quite well and I've flown the aircraft several times. Does anyone know what the weather conditions were or where the accident happened? From the initial reports it sounds like it was near Tipella.

[Lommer]

Weather conditions were severe clear all over the lower mainland yesterday, I'd imagine it was very similar up at Tipella.

[CarbHeat]

I had the opportunity to fly with the instructor almost two years ago... it's saddening to know that he's gone now.

My condolences to his family, friends, and co-workers.

[gaamin]

http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/2/c ... pe=0&narr=

[Apollo]

RIP to the instructor and passenger, and prayers to their friends and families.

[JDW]

Terrible tragedy, did all my training at zbb, if anyone has names please pm me
My condolence to everyone involved

[dieselbro]

Just at work when I got a call from my father regarding this. Made me sick to my stomach, I went from Aviation dreamer to licensed CPL at PFC and have flown ZDR many times. My condolences to the family and friends of those involved.

To those of you in the know, could someone PM the names? I know a lot of good people who work at PFC.

[D_Thissen]

Very sad to hear.. Did my instructor rating in ZBB (Professional Flight Centre). Did anyone hear anything about what might have happened? CFIT?

[AJV]

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/gallery/html/bc ... oto_0.html

the wreckage is not strewn over a large area so I would guess low speed, probably not CFIT but then again I am not a crash investigator so take it with a grain of salt.....

[JDW]

doesnt look like a big area from the pics and i heard it was during a mountain flight, dan's probably right with the cfit but dont wanna speculate

[iflyforpie]

Looking at those pictures with the aircraft right in the middle of that draw it looks like they ran out of air, either by flying up the valley or being caught in a downdraft or having engine failure flying out of it.

Sincerest condolences.

[cloudclimber]

very sorry to hear that.....only flew on that plane once. anyone know who theinstructor was?

[CpnCrunch]

Did the plane have shoulder harnesses?

[AJV]

Did the plane have shoulder harnesses?

I would say yes as it is a Cars requirement for flight training

[dieselbro]

very sorry to hear that.....only flew on that plane once. anyone know who theinstructor was?

I do know, I'll PM you. He was a young man, very sad indeed.

Did the plane have shoulder harnesses?

Yes it does, all the flying clubs aircraft do.

[Avi]

I know both the instructor and the student. The student...I met in 2005 he was very friendly very kind and a smart guy. He was one of the first people I met there, I looked up to him. I still have him on msn and it seems unreal that he is now gone. I wish I had a chance to see him one last time...

The instructor...I just talked to him a few weeks ago. He was friendly and spent time talking to me out of his busy day. Sigh...I flew that plane before too..RIP....Will miss you both forever!

If anyone knows when there will be a memorial please let me know!

[CarbHeat]

Seems as if the media already has his name and picture.
RIP Brett. You were one of the nicest people I met at PFC and never failed to give a warm greeting to me when I walked in.



I remember coming across this post of his some time ago. Truly a hardworking individual.

[cncpc]

My understanding is this was a "mountain checkout" flight that went badly wrong. Unfortunately too many instructors are teaching "mountain" flying with out any actual mountain flying experience themselves. This is like float flying, you simply have to have some real world day in and day out exposure to the reality of operating in this environment before you have anything to offer as an instructor.

To students who are contemplating a mountain check. If your instructor has never had a VFR job flying in the mountains, or at the very least, more than a 100 hrs of personal experience in A to B flying in mountainous terrain, then IMO at best you will not get very much out of the course that you could not just read out of a book, and at worse the instructor will try to fly up the drainage in a low powered aircraft on a hot day........

After instructing in a Redbird I think this should be future for mountain checkouts. The visuals are good enough that very realistic scenarios can be created and the student can be shown a representative sample of all the mountain gotchya's with outrisk and in a timely fashion.

Wise words.

We have a couple of Redbirds just came on line and we are planning on using them for mountain and marginal weather training, or both together. I do think that some training has to be done in an actual airplane though. I believe that the fear factor can badly affect performance in situations where the danger line is crossed in mountain flying, and that can only come in an airplane. What sort of exercises are you doing in the Redbird, BP?

That is a very strange wreckage site. There looks to have been a great deal of violence in that crash. The left wing tip contacted something with quite a bit of upward force to peel like that. Likely the ground, which would indicate spin or spiral dive. It may be that the airplane hit somewhere higher up and flew out of control before crashing there. I'm not sure if I'm seeing it right, but if that grey blade sticking up from the front end is a prop blade, that seems unusual in that it isn't bent. And, the horizontal crushing inwards of the whole aft fuselage is unusual. Perhaps it is just the way the pics are, but it seems strange to me.

Very sad.

[cncpc]

I can see from the CTV photos that the "blade" is more likely a gear leg with the wheel torn off.

[180]

I was in and out of a lake less than 10 miles north of the crash site twice on the afternoon of this accident, the second time probably within an hour of the crash, (departed second time at 4pm) and I can attest to some very squirly winds in the area at the time of the accident.

In fact, my second landing on the lake that day was the most demanding landing I've had this season. And on my second southbound departure from said lake, I started out with a stiff tail wind, was on the step and lifted off through a glassy section, and then climbed into a stiff headwind down the second half of the lake, all within the span of less than 2 miles.

There were significant updrafts, downdrafts, and unpredictable crosswinds that day that had my full attention.

My condolences to the families and friends of those involved.

[sky's the limit]

Mtn flying thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=75108

Please leave this one to condolences and such.

Sorry to hear about this, thoughts go out to all involved.

stl

[iflyforpie]

Mountain flying thread here.

Again, sincerest condolences...

[gaamin]

TSB report is out : http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-repor ... 1p0106.asp

[Big Pistons Forever]

Very interesting but very depressing reading.

Mods. The subject line of this thread should be changed as it makes it look like there has been a new accident.