First the Nazis and then Communists tried and now the UN..

[JakeYYZ]

I never considered the UN to be following in the footsteps of the Nazis. The current Israeli govt perhaps. But the UN?

The UN is as effective as the member states want. Canada's position will be dictated by you know who.

The UN's effectiveness has been diminishing over a long period time. The WHO is a mere shadow of itself, and completely lost. The Intl Labour Organ is no longer needed not wanted, particularly in places like China. UN Refugee agency...I say fvck refugees. Too many people on the planet already. ICAO, a UN offshoot act just like the Nazi's and communists. Imagine the nerve to try to coordinate int; aviation standards. I say screw em. Who needs that. Turn the radio and transponder off. Who wants to listen to some ferner on the radio.

As for intl law, I say fvck it. More communist BS. China, Russia, North Korea and Iran should do whatever they want. How communist to suggest otherwise. What a Nazi concept.

Intl trade is another Nazi concept. Embraer and Chinese manufacturers should able take all the govt subsidies they can suck off their govts. Bombardier can die on the vine baby. Harper is no big govt subsidy guy, nor should he be. If Canadian pproducts cannot compete on the world stage, Canada should go back to making canoes and bottling maple syrup.

Int; criminal tribunal on Yugoslavia and Rwanda? More 3rd Reich shit. That's all it is. Let these people be free. In fact, let the Middle East countries decide the fate of Israel. Stand back everyone, and let this useless organization fall aside. Let Iran and Saudi call the shots in the region.

The world will be a far better place when North Korea, Iran, Russia, China, Congo can treat their own, control markets, pay people dick all wages and put them in slave camps. Far better than another Nazi organization.

@#$! the UN.

Anyone studying political/social sciences in University over the last decade is aware that global governance is status quo in academic circles, and it is exclusively Marxian and Left in orientation (they're definitely not talking about establishing "global capitalism" as a system of world government). You don't believe it? -- well then read one of your kid's University research papers..

[hz2p]

Free advice, Jake: You're a right-wing poster on a heavily-biased left-wing website - just ask any of the moderators. Your views here are about as welcome as a hooker in church.

You are warned - your posts have "no value" here - I quote. It doesn't matter that you have an ATPL with a major airline and tens of thousands of hours.

Expect shortly, as the current right-wing lightning rod, to have your posts and threads deleted, and to be banned, because your subjective views differ from those of the moderators.

[Nark]

I've been trying for years, but have failed.

[niss]

You are warned - your posts have "no value" here - I quote. It doesn't matter that you have an ATPL with a major airline and tens of thousands of hours.

Why should those qualifications matter when it comes to bullshitting about politics?

You're the only one here who insists that your ability to do formation outside loops makes you an authority on everything.

Expect shortly, as the current right-wing lightning rod, to have your posts and threads deleted, and to be banned, because your subjective views differ from those of the moderators.

I think it had more to do with you acting like a dick and spamming the board with your far right drivel, like cpl_atc did with his anticop rhetoric.

Even if this forum does have a left wing bias, if ISTP created a new thread every 10 minutes about a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage over and over he would suffer the same wrath.

Don't try to be a martyr.

[azimuthaviation]

Your family's three ring flying circus hardly qualifies as a major airline.

[System Message]

hz2p, I do not believe you spend much time in church. If you can stop being a hooker for just one morning I can assure you that you are welcome in any church that you would like to attend.

[Driving Rain]

hz2p, I do not believe you spend much time in church. If you can stop being a hooker for just one morning I can assure you that you are welcome in any church that you would like to attend.

This from a guy who calls co-pilots distracting passengers.

A CL always has a passenger on the plane. While they take turns flying the plane, the pilot flying has a safety issue with distractions from the the other.

Beautiful

[bmc]

Jake....I can't follow your thinking.

The UN as a whole, is dysfunctional. It's lost its compass. It's as effective as its member states want it to be. Canada was once a respected country on the international stage. The US, Russia, China will do as they please. I'm ok with that, until something goes sideways and little framework exists to deal with it. SARS was a perfect example of the screwed up WHO. The WHO just laid off 30% of their staff. The next time we have a global health scare, feel happy that the in effective money wasting UN can't track what's going on, what global coordinated efforts are under way.

The world will be so much better.

[Expat]

Jake....I can't follow your thinking.

The UN as a whole, is dysfunctional. It's lost its compass. It's as effective as its member states want it to be. Canada was once a respected country on the international stage. The US, Russia, China will do as they please. I'm ok with that, until something goes sideways and little framework exists to deal with it. SARS was a perfect example of the screwed up WHO. The WHO just laid off 30% of their staff. The next time we have a global health scare, feel happy that the in effective money wasting UN can't track what's going on, what global coordinated efforts are under way.

The world will be so much better.

bmc,

If you're going to criticize the UN, then get your facts. The US pays 27% of the UN budget, and has a say in everything going on. The UN is not run by a bunch of leftist, communist countries with a hidden agenda...
Each program, each peacekeeping mission, has a separate budget, voted separately, by the GA.
I may, at times, object to US policies, but generally agree that the US is a strong supporter of the UN. As a result, the UN always leans to the side of its financial backers...
On the other hand, many UN values run against US international policies and interests, but that is another debate altogether...
Cheers,
expat

[bmc]

Expat...I fully agree with. I`m aware of the funding and the structure. My commentary is directed at the tiresome lament of big bad UN with the secret agenda, implying that it does what it wants, which couldn`t be further from the truth. Too much interference, if anything.

[Expat]

The problem we sometimes have here, is that the same very strong country, which has a say in everything going on, also controls the UN, which at times should be the voice of the little people, the starving ones, etc...
At times, it borders on the hypocrisy.
Cheers,

[System Message]

The little people that are starving are represented at the UN by the same warlords that caused the famine which keeps them in power.
Robert Mugabe set the example.

[JakeYYZ]

In 1971 the majority of U.N. members voted to replace anti-communist Taiwan with communist China in both the General Assembly and the Security Council. XPAT, if the U.S. has the control that you say it has, how did this come to pass? The fact of the matter is; the U.S. doesn’t throw its weight around.

Over the past eight sessions of the U.N. General Assembly (2000 through 2007), about 95 per-cent of U.S foreign aid recipients voted against the U.S. a majority of the time on non-consen¬sus votes, and over 71 percent voted against the U.S. a majority of the time on non-consensus votes deemed "important" by the U.S. Depart¬ment of State.[10]
Of the 30 largest recipients of U.S. foreign aid that have voted during the past eight sessions, 28 countries voted against the U.S. a majority of the time on all non-consensus votes, and 24 voted against the U.S. a majority of the time on non-consensus important votes. (See Chart 2.)

http://www.heritage.org/research/report ... nst-the-us
The third world makes up the majority of the GA (I include the Arab and Islamic Conference members). Tell me; how has this third world majority in the GA changed the U.N.?
As to your assertion that it’s not run by leftist and commies; I will compile a list of names and affiliations for you to purse and argue.

[azimuthaviation]

Well lets get rid of communism in Canada first. Why shouldnt we dismantle all the hutterite and mennonite communes? Why dont you mention any of those "Jake"? Why do you think you can practice your version of communism in Canada but have such problems with other countries? Why dont you tell everyone how long youve lived on your colony for? Then tell us how you call half of it a congregation or chirch land to avoid taxes but then pocket the royalties of the oil pipelines going through? Whens the last time you worked a full eight hours?

[Nark]

I would love, just absolutely love to fix my house before I fixed my neighbor's, however that is not the "Canadian" way.
Most Canucks I know would take the shirt of their back, to help a neighbor.

Of course, this generalization excludes Vancouver, where they'd would rather take your shirt because they are upset about something...

[mcrit]

AA, the Hutterites and the Menonites don't try and impose their system on the rest of the world nor do they ask for other peoples' money. They do however have a tradition of shunning individuals who do not contribute. These traits distinguish them quite nicely from the politcal left.
I would also further point out that the above societies function because of adherence to a rather strict version of Christianity. I don't think you would enjoy a country set up along Hutterite lines.
As for the UN, there are some branches of it that are quite useful and function quite well. ICAO being one of them. There are other branches that the world could do without.

[2R]

AA, the Hutterites and the Menonites don't try and impose their system on the rest of the world nor do they ask for other peoples' money. They do however have a tradition of shunning individuals who do not contribute.

They might find themselves in consensus with Lenin and Thatcher
Lenin who said "Those who do not work,do not eat"
Thatcher who said "Those who make no attempt to contribute to society should not be a burden to those who contribute"

Who would ever of thought that a Bolshevik,a Tory and those who read what they want into an old book would find consensus.
It could be the start of an excellent joke.
A bolshie,a tory and a pious farmer walk into a bar.................

[azimuthaviation]

ICAO functions nicely because it was headed for the last 30 years by a Lebanese man from the same mountain slope Im from. We have quite a history of producing the worlds greats since the dawn of man. Unfortunately too many UN bodies are headed or represented by the DSK's and John Boltons of the world.

And yes hutterites and mennonite societies do function, less stricken by the ills of man in modern society. An agrarian, pacifist society with a shared ideology, community based living, control over ones immediate destiny and shared wealth. Now who does that sound like?

But I bring them up not to argue the benefits of living close to nature nor to argue their contribution to society or work ethic or anything like that. I just find it odd that Jake (who I happen to know by his christian name) has roots in such a society but for years has been such a fierce opponent of those values? Either he's a majot hypocrite or his criticism is rooted in some personal vandetta. Either way, when you know the messenger, the questions about his message only get bigger.

But I am convinced he's a nutcase

[JakeYYZ]

Yeah, and bottle caps aren’t real money, sparky.

[azimuthaviation]

Yeah, and bottle caps aren’t real money, sparky.

You cant use that term!! Only WE can use that term!!

[System Message]

azimuthaviation, tell us more about Assad Kotaite and John Bolton.

[2R]

Fallout fans ???

[mcrit]

We have quite a history of producing the worlds greats since the dawn of man

Yep.

[System Message]

Too much couscous.

[azimuthaviation]

We have quite a history of producing the worlds greats since the dawn of man

Yep.

What? Hes not fruity enough for the guy in your picture?