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Grizzly bear feces has bells in it and smells like pepper
Best Bear gun?
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Re: Best Bear gun?
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Re: Best Bear gun?
"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." - Calvin (of Calvin and Hobbes)
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holy mother of GOD! Makes me want to apply for an authorization to carry a handgun in the wilderness! It's the only thing that saved his ass!ragbagflyer wrote:Grizzly charge captured by B.C. filmmaker
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The only useful thing you could do with a handgun is to shoot yourself, assuming the bear will bother you with a giant loaf in your pants!
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Re: Best Bear gun?
Depends on the handgun....leave the 9mm's and .45 acp's at home, but a nice .454 Casull hand cannon should do the trick.
http://www.takdriver.com/showthread.php?t=723
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I used to rely on the Magna-ported, rubber-pistol-gripped Marine Defender, but of late I have come to depend on a simpler, if somewhat unorthodox, method to keep bears away from camp and prospective hiking trails.
I stumbled upon this purely by accident while on a hike up one of the Inlets on the BC Coast.
This area is well known for big Grizzlies as well as the odd big black bear, so I had taken the short Defender loaded with slugs and buckshot, and brought along my bird dog Bello, an Italian Pointer with an incomparable nose, large bladder, and a weakness for asparagus, garlic sausage, and Parmesan cheese.
The area made for easy walking, as the old logging roads though somewhat overgrown, were still usable and extended for miles into the Coastal Range.
It wasn't long before I noticed Bello obsessing with his trail marking as we progressed up the steep valley. I thought nothing more of it until we reached a flat lookout where we could see the valley below and the road that we had just taken.
After a leisurely lunch, I went back to glassing the valley for wildlife, and soon enough a bear was seen crossing the valley diagonally below from where we had come. When the bear was close to the logging road, he stopped and stood sniffing the air, then took off at a wadlop as if stuck with an electric prod.
This same scenario was repeated by two more bears in a side valley later that day, and again a day later.
At first I thought that the bears had simply gotten our scent from the trail and scampered off. But this seemed unusual behavior for bears, I thought, as I had encountered my fair share of bears in the past and never observed this decided objection to my presence on their patch.
I had taken other dogs in the bush on previous trips too, and not noticed anything out of the ordinary when the odd bear crossed our trail or had come close enough to discover our presence.
Oh well, that was that... well, until we moved up north and settled on a few acres out of town in an area full of deer, moose, bear and other assorted creatures that was a real treat to see.
A few months after being there, it occurred to me that the wild life had become scarce, and game sightings were few and far between.
Bello, loved the new place and being a dog driven by his nose, was not allowed to roam freely. When we went out, his penchant for urinating on anything he could was a sight best left to the imagination.
I don't fly a slow airplane by accident, it seems. It matches my thinking velocity.
Finally, I connected the dots between the disappearance of wildlife on the farm with the strange behaviors of the bears on the trail the year before, and promptly blamed it all on the dog.
Yes, the dog, and his obsessive need to urinate on everything.
It occurred to me that Bello's may be no ordinary urine and that whatever it was, it must have something to do with repelling or inducing other animals to head for the hills.
I sniffed the urine and found it to be much like, well, dog urine. It had a rather sickly nose to it that is hard to describe, but that was all.
I rigged up a special toilet for the dog to pee into, so that I could collect and test the urine.
I had a gallon of the stuff in no time at all, and soon enlisted the help of two fellow outdoorsmen to carry out some testing.
The equipment consisted of a simple atomizer filled with Bello's Amber, pressurized by a hand plunger.
It took no time at all to drive all wildlife from the test areas, an effect that lasted for several weeks. Once the area returned to normal, it was re-sprayed here and there just as the dog would have marked it, and sure enough, the animals would clear out with clockwork predictability.
A friend that works at the local hospital lab sent the urine to the provincial lab for testing, using the administrator's identity.
The results were quite surprising, confirming the presence of high levels of garlic metabolites as well as abnormal traces of asparagine and metabolites found only after a regular consumption of Parmesan cheese.
It was clear that this dog was no ordinary pooch.
The special toilet was plumbed into a 45 gallon drum and a student was hired to fill and package Bello's scent into small perfume sized spray bottles to be passed on to friends and neighbors. This is discreetly sprayed on their gardens from time to time to get rid of deer, raccoons and other pests that roam the quiet suburbs from Victoria to Prince Rupert.
It works like a charm.
The next target to try this on was the large rabbit population on the UVIC Campus. Unfortunately getting approval from the various agencies, from Health to Environment is still proving a tad elusive.
Any of you living near UVIC that may want to do a 'quiet' rabbit trial, PM me, and I will be happy to supply you with a kit or two.
But, back to BEARS for a moment... Digression can be such a pain.
This is what I do, now, when I am planning an excursion into the wild: I load a five gallon pail of Bello's Finest into the back of the plane and rig the miniature spray boom/nozzles to just beyond the tail cone, hurricane strap everything securely and it's off to the bush.
I do a low-level pass over the intended route from lake to timberline, with a couple of circling passes over prospective camping spots, before heading back to the lake making sure that the adjacent shoreline receives a good soaking, before landing.
In Camp, I set up a small timed atomizer a short distance from the mess tent and sleeping area, and everyone in camp can sleep like a baby with no worries of curious bears and other critters getting at the food or tents during the night.
In the five years since I have been using this method, I have never come across any wildlife whatsoever while traveling in the bush.
The next project is to test this with hand held spray canisters, much like the pepper spray ones, and am currently looking for volunteers to take these out into the bush this Summer Season.
Any volunteers?
I stumbled upon this purely by accident while on a hike up one of the Inlets on the BC Coast.
This area is well known for big Grizzlies as well as the odd big black bear, so I had taken the short Defender loaded with slugs and buckshot, and brought along my bird dog Bello, an Italian Pointer with an incomparable nose, large bladder, and a weakness for asparagus, garlic sausage, and Parmesan cheese.
The area made for easy walking, as the old logging roads though somewhat overgrown, were still usable and extended for miles into the Coastal Range.
It wasn't long before I noticed Bello obsessing with his trail marking as we progressed up the steep valley. I thought nothing more of it until we reached a flat lookout where we could see the valley below and the road that we had just taken.
After a leisurely lunch, I went back to glassing the valley for wildlife, and soon enough a bear was seen crossing the valley diagonally below from where we had come. When the bear was close to the logging road, he stopped and stood sniffing the air, then took off at a wadlop as if stuck with an electric prod.
This same scenario was repeated by two more bears in a side valley later that day, and again a day later.
At first I thought that the bears had simply gotten our scent from the trail and scampered off. But this seemed unusual behavior for bears, I thought, as I had encountered my fair share of bears in the past and never observed this decided objection to my presence on their patch.
I had taken other dogs in the bush on previous trips too, and not noticed anything out of the ordinary when the odd bear crossed our trail or had come close enough to discover our presence.
Oh well, that was that... well, until we moved up north and settled on a few acres out of town in an area full of deer, moose, bear and other assorted creatures that was a real treat to see.
A few months after being there, it occurred to me that the wild life had become scarce, and game sightings were few and far between.
Bello, loved the new place and being a dog driven by his nose, was not allowed to roam freely. When we went out, his penchant for urinating on anything he could was a sight best left to the imagination.
I don't fly a slow airplane by accident, it seems. It matches my thinking velocity.
Finally, I connected the dots between the disappearance of wildlife on the farm with the strange behaviors of the bears on the trail the year before, and promptly blamed it all on the dog.
Yes, the dog, and his obsessive need to urinate on everything.
It occurred to me that Bello's may be no ordinary urine and that whatever it was, it must have something to do with repelling or inducing other animals to head for the hills.
I sniffed the urine and found it to be much like, well, dog urine. It had a rather sickly nose to it that is hard to describe, but that was all.
I rigged up a special toilet for the dog to pee into, so that I could collect and test the urine.
I had a gallon of the stuff in no time at all, and soon enlisted the help of two fellow outdoorsmen to carry out some testing.
The equipment consisted of a simple atomizer filled with Bello's Amber, pressurized by a hand plunger.
It took no time at all to drive all wildlife from the test areas, an effect that lasted for several weeks. Once the area returned to normal, it was re-sprayed here and there just as the dog would have marked it, and sure enough, the animals would clear out with clockwork predictability.
A friend that works at the local hospital lab sent the urine to the provincial lab for testing, using the administrator's identity.
The results were quite surprising, confirming the presence of high levels of garlic metabolites as well as abnormal traces of asparagine and metabolites found only after a regular consumption of Parmesan cheese.
It was clear that this dog was no ordinary pooch.
The special toilet was plumbed into a 45 gallon drum and a student was hired to fill and package Bello's scent into small perfume sized spray bottles to be passed on to friends and neighbors. This is discreetly sprayed on their gardens from time to time to get rid of deer, raccoons and other pests that roam the quiet suburbs from Victoria to Prince Rupert.
It works like a charm.
The next target to try this on was the large rabbit population on the UVIC Campus. Unfortunately getting approval from the various agencies, from Health to Environment is still proving a tad elusive.
Any of you living near UVIC that may want to do a 'quiet' rabbit trial, PM me, and I will be happy to supply you with a kit or two.
But, back to BEARS for a moment... Digression can be such a pain.
This is what I do, now, when I am planning an excursion into the wild: I load a five gallon pail of Bello's Finest into the back of the plane and rig the miniature spray boom/nozzles to just beyond the tail cone, hurricane strap everything securely and it's off to the bush.
I do a low-level pass over the intended route from lake to timberline, with a couple of circling passes over prospective camping spots, before heading back to the lake making sure that the adjacent shoreline receives a good soaking, before landing.
In Camp, I set up a small timed atomizer a short distance from the mess tent and sleeping area, and everyone in camp can sleep like a baby with no worries of curious bears and other critters getting at the food or tents during the night.
In the five years since I have been using this method, I have never come across any wildlife whatsoever while traveling in the bush.
The next project is to test this with hand held spray canisters, much like the pepper spray ones, and am currently looking for volunteers to take these out into the bush this Summer Season.
Any volunteers?
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Re: Best Bear gun?
I would like to nominate my mother-in-law to be a volunteer.
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Bump.... I re-second the 45-70. Selling mine btw; see "for sale" ads.
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Re: Best Bear gun?
12 guage defender. 2 buckshot and then a slug is as good as it gets. If you get a bear barreling down on you unexpectedly good luck hitting him with a handgun.
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Re: Best Bear gun?
This has to be the longest thread, and contains ALL the best advice from a technical point of view.
Some of it, pretty entertaining too!
It seem to me that whatever you choose to take into the bush to assuage your fear of bears will work just fine for you.
If you believe it will keep you safe, it will. You may go your whole life carrying bells, pepper spray or any handgun and feel perfectly safe, because you have made a decision based on what FEELS good for you.
Knowing that you have a tool that will save your bacon at the last minute will likely keep you from using that tool prematurely or needlessly. And just knowing that you are 'armed' will help to keep your cool and not do something rash or worse, stupid.
Lots of professional people that have spent their careers in the bush, have never discharged a firearm or emptied a canister of pepper spray.
What keeps them safe is a good knowledge of bear behaviour and for some, keeping their testosterone in check, and avoiding an encounter or confrontation.
In the rare instance where one truly needs to save one's life by having to ACTUALLY KILL a bear intent on killing you, then you need to have something on hand that will do the job, and by that I mean something that will open up a nice sized window through the bear's carcass in spite of one's shaking, puking or other surprising distractions, like a full diaper.
A hand gun, IMHO, just will not cut it for most people, as it requires good shot placement and pin point accuracy at a time when the control of the faculties required for such accuracy has taken a stroll down memory lane.
A short barreled Defender, on the other hand, may make you look good on the worst day of your life.
I find that this particular tool relaxes ME, and allows me to enjoy the same environment as those magnificent animals in a way that neither a hand gun, bells, air horn or bear spray ever could.
Except, of course, a good dosing of Valium just prior to setting out...
Some of it, pretty entertaining too!
It seem to me that whatever you choose to take into the bush to assuage your fear of bears will work just fine for you.
If you believe it will keep you safe, it will. You may go your whole life carrying bells, pepper spray or any handgun and feel perfectly safe, because you have made a decision based on what FEELS good for you.
Knowing that you have a tool that will save your bacon at the last minute will likely keep you from using that tool prematurely or needlessly. And just knowing that you are 'armed' will help to keep your cool and not do something rash or worse, stupid.
Lots of professional people that have spent their careers in the bush, have never discharged a firearm or emptied a canister of pepper spray.
What keeps them safe is a good knowledge of bear behaviour and for some, keeping their testosterone in check, and avoiding an encounter or confrontation.
In the rare instance where one truly needs to save one's life by having to ACTUALLY KILL a bear intent on killing you, then you need to have something on hand that will do the job, and by that I mean something that will open up a nice sized window through the bear's carcass in spite of one's shaking, puking or other surprising distractions, like a full diaper.
A hand gun, IMHO, just will not cut it for most people, as it requires good shot placement and pin point accuracy at a time when the control of the faculties required for such accuracy has taken a stroll down memory lane.
A short barreled Defender, on the other hand, may make you look good on the worst day of your life.
I find that this particular tool relaxes ME, and allows me to enjoy the same environment as those magnificent animals in a way that neither a hand gun, bells, air horn or bear spray ever could.
Except, of course, a good dosing of Valium just prior to setting out...
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Too many people feeding the Black Bears when they should be shooting the buggers, Don't ever turn your back on a Black Bear they're not to be trusted now days, when ever one comes close to My cabin and within range of my 12 gauge I shoot.Driving Rain wrote:I was listening to a "Bear Biologist" on the radio the other day say that black bears kill 4 people to every 1 that brown bears or Grizzly's kill. I wonder why that is? More Black bears maybe.
How come you never see trained black bears or polar bears, only brown bears or Grizzlies get the training?
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It has been proven that Bear Spray is far more affective than a firearm when protecting yourself from a charging bear.
The question is not one of marksmanship or clear thinking in the face of a growling bear, for even a skilled marksman with steady nerves may have a slim chance of deterring a bear attack with a gun. Law enforcement agents for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service have experience that supports this reality.
Based on their investigations of human-bear encounters since 1992, persons encountering grizzlies and defending themselves with firearms suffer injury about 50% of the time. During the same period, persons defending themselves with pepper spray escaped injury most of the time, and those that were injured experienced shorter duration attacks and less severe injuries.
The question is not one of marksmanship or clear thinking in the face of a growling bear, for even a skilled marksman with steady nerves may have a slim chance of deterring a bear attack with a gun. Law enforcement agents for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service have experience that supports this reality.
Based on their investigations of human-bear encounters since 1992, persons encountering grizzlies and defending themselves with firearms suffer injury about 50% of the time. During the same period, persons defending themselves with pepper spray escaped injury most of the time, and those that were injured experienced shorter duration attacks and less severe injuries.
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The best bear gun is a 458 Winchester... always had one with me up north and in camp also good against polar bear.... people always make the mistake of shooting a bear in the head... never, ever do this... always aim for the rear forward haunch or centre chest. If you have the confidence and the time, and need to drop a charging grizzly take him in the rear haunch... the 458 will drop enough energy into the body to cause damage and also stoppage. After saying this, I have always faired better by not placing myself in a situation to have to chamber a round when in bear country... but, rather applied common sense and the clean camp philosophy.... I saw a B212 pilot aggravate a Grizzly outside of Atlin BC once... three days later that Grizzly found the helo camp and totaly destroyed the canopy and part of the tail boom...
Better not to piss them off...
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The .458 would be a great gun if you're hunting bears. If bears are hunting you, you need a shot gun.
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Good one, Doc.Doc wrote:The .458 would be a great gun if you're hunting bears. If bears are hunting you, you need a shot gun.
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Re: Best Bear gun?
Anything short of a howitzer and your not going to drop a bear. You need to trick the bear into thinking us flimsy little meat bags are actually stronger than it is. Rubber buck shot is going to cause a lot of pain, and the accompanying loud noise will probably convince it that you are stronger. If you want to put a slug in there too, go ahead, it probably won't make much of a difference after you've shot him twice with rubber buck shot.
You'll want an open choke too, I've never been charged by 1200lbs of angry bear, but I'd imagine my aim to be pretty poor.
You'll want an open choke too, I've never been charged by 1200lbs of angry bear, but I'd imagine my aim to be pretty poor.
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rubber buck, sucks unless it is closer than 20 yds in which case use the real thing. I load my winnny with a baton round,then slug/buck/slug/slug. the baton is basically a chunk of hardwoord with a rubber tip just long enough to fit in the ejection port, meant to deliver a hit similiar to a baseball bat. the rest are there to kill it.
you can also get bear spray shells they look like the rubber rocket, but are filled with bear spray
http://www.deltaforce.com/catalog/lesslethalammo.html
you can also get bear spray shells they look like the rubber rocket, but are filled with bear spray
http://www.deltaforce.com/catalog/lesslethalammo.html
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I am going to order one of these. http://www.magnumresearch.com/Expand.as ... =BFR45-707
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Well, that certainly is a BFR!hoptwoit wrote:I am going to order one of these. http://www.magnumresearch.com/Expand.as ... =BFR45-707
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I think the thing to remember about a defender and some people are confused about is that it doesn't fire a cone of death like in the movies. We did a little carcass testing with buck shot and at the ranges where you'll get useful penetration out of it, it hasn't really spread out much. I'd say you're as likely to hit your target with a rifle and you have much more effective range with it if the situation calls for it. Defender shotguns are a nice simple, easy pointing gun though. I'd only use a handgun in a situation where I needed both hands for working and/or a long gun was too cumbersome to carry around.
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I got a Marlin 1895 guide gun in .45/70. 37" Overall Length, 18" barrel. 6+1 Capacity. Shoots MOA. If I can't stop the bear with 7 well placed 400 grain chunks of lead, the bear deserves a free meal.
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Am I the only one here who thinks shooting animals in their own home isn't very nice
