Enerjet

[Say Altitude]

Let me clarify. No, the EnerJet airplane was not parked on the ramp in front of the Esso getting serviced and fueled. As anyone who taxis past the Esso knows, the plane is always sitting in the weeds across the taxiway where aircraft are parked when they are staying for a while in YYC.

Exactly.

Which gets back to my point that it must be pretty tough to make ends meet when you only fly 3 hours a day/5 days a week.

[whiteguy]

Let me clarify. No, the EnerJet airplane was not parked on the ramp in front of the Esso getting serviced and fueled. As anyone who taxis past the Esso knows, the plane is always sitting in the weeds across the taxiway where aircraft are parked when they are staying for a while in YYC.

Exactly.

Which gets back to my point that it must be pretty tough to make ends meet when you only fly 3 hours a day/5 days a week.

You've just described every charter company that works in and out of YYC.

But I guess you guys are the experts! Note to self, don't apply to any company that has an airplane on the ground when I drive by the airport!

[ziggy]

Exactly

[flyboyboeing]

Any updates on Enerjet out there? I have been following them on flightaware and they have being flying a whole lot the last month, all over the country and CFG6 as well. Could things be looking up?

[tincanflyer]

Any updates on Enerjet out there? I have been following them on flightaware and they have being flying a whole lot the last month, all over the country and CFG6 as well. Could things be looking up?

....Boy you are sure Pro-Enerjet and you sure try to rally hard for them on here......you have 10 posts under your belt and funny how they are all on this post and funny how they all try to spread the good word of CrapJet when this airline is still clinging to its life vest....sure lots of flyinh but the margins are very little. You should know they are bidding very low for this flying trying to just stay a float. GoErrorJet. Inst it time for the annual business plan change; what is it this time? A '67 for the government?

[flyboyboeing]

Hey tincan, thanks for your support!! You are right, I am pro Enerjet!! As for only having ten posts, you are right again!! Do we have a wizard on our hands here? Perhaps they need someone as intelligent as yourself to keep Enerjet going. I tip my hats to them as they started up in a troubled time and here we are almost 3 years later and they are still plugging away. Perhaps you should suggest your new business plan of a 67 for the govt, yet another marvelous idea.
If you are all about status and number of posts, go for it. I am not about bashing people and making an idiot of myself online, but you go ahead. Have a great day!!

[Big Pistons Forever]

Any updates on Enerjet out there? I have been following them on flightaware and they have being flying a whole lot the last month, all over the country and CFG6 as well. Could things be looking up?

....Boy you are sure Pro-Enerjet and you sure try to rally hard for them on here......you have 10 posts under your belt and funny how they are all on this post and funny how they all try to spread the good word of CrapJet when this airline is still clinging to its life vest....sure lots of flyinh but the margins are very little. You should know they are bidding very low for this flying trying to just stay a float. GoErrorJet. Inst it time for the annual business plan change; what is it this time? A '67 for the government?

All I care about is that there are pilots working on good equipment and with reasonable WAWCON's. I suppose you would be happier if they shut the doors and put some more pilots on the street

[flyboyboeing]

Precisely. Kudos to those who keep plugging away and making a go of it. Too many in the past have just screwed pilots and crews over and left them high and dry.

[pika]

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[IAMWETODDIT]

Word is a 2nd 700 is coming to town very soon.

[FL020]

Reasonable wawcons?? I'm unsure of the schedule, but 110k a year for a captain is wayyyy out to lunch for a reasonable Capt wage!!

[confuzed]

Reasonable wawcons?? I'm unsure of the schedule, but 110k a year for a captain is wayyyy out to lunch for a reasonable Capt wage!!

Really?? Dude, it's a 737. What do you consider as "reasonable" for a first year 737 captain wage??

[hnl]

Reasonable wawcons?? I'm unsure of the schedule, but 110k a year for a captain is wayyyy out to lunch for a reasonable Capt wage!!

Really?? Dude, it's a 737. What do you consider as "reasonable" for a first year 737 captain wage??

Yes low for sure...RP's can make that

[confuzed]

Yes low for sure...RP's can make that

1) After how many years???

2) On widebody aircraft, which is a totally different area.

A STARTING wage of $110,000 on a 737 is actually pretty respectable in my eyes. Where do you guys come from that think otherwise, I'm curious.

Again, out of curiousity, what do you both think the starting wage should be for a 737 skipper then? Along with that, what do you think pilots on a widebody aircraft should make. Now I'm really curious.

[FICU]

I heard Enerjet cut their pay back to 90K for a Captain.

90 or 110... which is it?

[FL020]

CONFUZED....

Are you serious, or are you actually confused? A 37 skipper should start at the 130-140 range and top out 160...

Wide body skippers??? 230k +

You don't work for jet star do you?

[confuzed]

CONFUZED....

Are you serious, or are you actually confused? A 37 skipper should start at the 130-140 range and top out 160...

Wide body skippers??? 230k +

You don't work for jet star do you?

Nope, no confusion here dude. Just out of curiousity as well, what is your background and what stage are you at in your flying career? *never mind, I already found out*

Let's clear the air some more. What do you think the said captains should top out at (the widebody since you already stated your opinion on 737 captains) and after how long? How much per diem do you think they should make, etc...I'm generally curious. How about first officers?

Also, what is your justification for starting captains at this wage? I'm really interested to hear your opinion on the matter.

No, I don't work for jet star. I'm all for higher wages, but until ALL pilots act like the professionals we keep calling ourselves the wages will never change. Well, that is unless the supply REALLY dries up. Even then, unfortunately someone will ALWAYS do it for less. Apparently, living "the dream" is more important then self respect or the respect of others.

[Double Wasp]

CONFUZED....

Are you serious, or are you actually confused? A 37 skipper should start at the 130-140 range and top out 160...

Wide body skippers??? 230k +

You don't work for jet star do you?

FL020 I understand that you were probably being sarcastic and Jetstar has been portrayed to you as evil incarnate however it would be nice to see facts used when trying to make a point for once.

First though, I am sure that there was a time when you were applying for the airlines and as fate would have it you ended up where ever you did. I do not work for Jetstar and regardless of what your impression is of them in this industry I believe that no one at a Canadian airline should develop a holier than thou attitude towards anyone employed at Jetstar, or any other carrier, as they are definitely not as sub par as the starting terms and conditions at any Canadian airline.

So with the preceding in mind what is the starting wage at Jetstar?

I will save you the search as of 1 Jan 2012:

Narrow body Captain starts at $163,418 / FO $89,880. Plus retention bonuses, plus an additional 9% for retirement, plus 6 weeks leave to start, plus upper respiratory tract infection leave in addition to sick leave. This is the bottom rung.

So other than having to purchase a type rating (which can be purchased for as little as $20,000 and is tax deductible), how is one financially worse off working for Jetstar vs a Canadian carrier.

Whether Jetstar should have been created in the first place is another argument however there are a lot of Canadian FO's who start at the airlines who wait a long time to get to the wage that the poster child for evil airline start ups pays their first officers.

Best Regards
DW

[amraam]

Enerjet delivered their second B737 yesterday, C-FENJ, fin 702:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37775469@N08/6997324574/

Delivered as N530CL, formerly HK-4641 in Columbia.

amraam

[flyboyboeing]

Enerjet expands fleet and secures new contract!!

http://www.enerjet.ca/readarticle.php?id=32

flyboyboeing

[wee_in_yyc]

Things must be going well! Fin 703 arrived in YYC this afternoon from MMMX as N529CL. Ex; HK-4635 of LAN Colombia.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wee_in_yyc ... hotostream

[W5]

http://www.wingsmagazine.com/content/view/7307/155/

Dublin's AWAS helps energize Enerjet's fleet
June 29, 2012, Dublin, Ire. - Dublin, Ireland-based aircraft lessor, AWAS, has delivered the second of two planned Boeing 737-700 passenger aircraft to Enerjet, a passenger charter operator in Canada. The aircraft come from AWAS' current fleet portfolio.

"These aircraft fit our strategic plan to offer highly reliable and fuel efficient modern aircraft to our charter clients," said Tim Morgan, President/CEO of Enerjet. "We are very pleased that AWAS was able to customize the leasing solution to fit Enerjet's specific requirements."

The new aircraft from AWAS' diversified portfolio will enable Enerjet to capitalize on the growing charter opportunities within the energy, defense, public sector and tourism markets.

"Enerjet is a growing and important player in the Canadian charter market, and we are proud to add them as a new customer," said Ray Sisson, President/CEO, AWAS.

"Our ability to quickly respond to Enerjet's lift requirement and aligning with their business plan allowed us to craft a tailored solution for them," said Ruben Sanchez, VP Sales Americas, AWAS. "We look forward to growing along with them for many years to come."

[flyboyboeing]

Enerjet offers affordable flights between YYC and YVR for Thanksgiving!! Oct 5 and 8th! What a great idea. Stop the tyranny of high airfares during peak travel periods. Thanks Enerjet, see you on board!
http://www.jumponenerjet.ca/

[mbav8r]

Awesome, a new LCC in Canada, just what we all needed and just in time for the holidays!
Flyboyboeing, my post is sarcastic, at first I thought you were being sarcastic, the I re-read your post and it appears as though you are serious. As a pilot in Canada who's future retirement relies heavily on the future of the company I work for, this is not good news!!!!!
God forbid a company should try and make a little profit when the demand is high, we truly are our own worst enemies, when a pilot is happy about a new entrant in the LCC market.
If anybody thinks this is a one weekend a year venture as the add says, I have some shares in Jetsgo I can sell you. They are testing the waters and if all goes well, I imagine will be the new WJ.
It's ok though, I was wondering when my next pay cut was coming, now I know.

[flyboyboeing]

It may not be good news for you, but I think for a vast majority who used to enjoy having a LCC and affordable airfare within Canada, this is a very welcome experiment!! Certain airlines that used to offer great seat sales and reasonable fares seem to have switched their focus. Increased airfares, fewer seat sales, cut services onboard and maximize revenue. I know everyone needs to keep the revenue flowing, but there should be a balance.
There is no reason why I should have to pay $1100 for a flight during a non peak period in November from Western Canada to Florida. Stop the tyranny!! I flew to Europe for less!

I wasn't a huge fan of Jetsgo, but at least they brought in some competition and put a temporary end to the outrageous airfares we are forced to pay!!
If this experiment does work and they become the new WJ, I and many welcome this! I USED TO love flying & supporting WJ. Not any more.