Autogyro scene in Canada

[Cat Driver]

Why not ask here, then everyone can read my answers if I know the answer.

[Pirate Pilot]

Gyrocopters seem to be quite rare in Western Canada but we had one visit us in Cache Creek (CAZ5) a couple of years ago. It was travelling with 2 ultralights. I kinda think it is based either out of Kamloops (Knutsford Air Park) or Salmon Arm. It was a high-end unit with an enclosed cockpit with windshield and a nice paint job. If anyone is interested you could go looking for it at the above airports or call there.

[Gogona]

Why not ask here, then everyone can read my answers if I know the answer.

No problem, I just thought you won't like to share some specific details in public. Like why T.C. blacklisted you, etc.

[Cat Driver]

No problem, I just thought you won't like to share some specific details in public. Like why T.C. blacklisted you, etc.

There is reams of reading for you that I have posted over the past several years outlining my legal struggle with TCCA.

In a nut shell I took legal action against them for abuse of power.

I won my case but that makes no difference to TCCA as they think they are above the law, which seems to be true. In the end I had to leave Canada to be able to earn a living flying.

Here is a question for you.

Do you think that " due process " is a right every Canadian citizen is entitled to?

[Canuck223]

Here is a question for you.

Do you think that " due process " is a right every Canadian citizen is entitled to?

Based on how the provincial Firearms Officers evade responsibility, I would say no. Instead of issuing a refusal, which then allows the applicant to ask for a reference hearing with a provincial court judge, the CFO will simply refuse to reply.

[David Sigier]

Hi All

For those who wish to get training on gyroplane, our school is now officially open.
We train on MTO Sport and in near futur Calidus. We are located at St-Apollinaire, Qc, Canada.

David Sigier
418-580-8912
info@airprogyro.com

[David Sigier]

I forgot to tell,

Yes we will let you fly solo on our MTO Sport when we feel you are ready and you feel you are ready. Our insurance allow it.

David Sigier

[Strato50]

Seems that for some reason TC is practically against obtaining your Gyro permit at any reasonable expense.

Somewhat reminds me of Ontario's approach to motorcycle insurance.. when you're new, expect to pay 2x the value of your machine!

Very discouraging.

Is there any leeway in regards to ultralight class gyros in canada, as in the US? Im an AME with no flight experience and have always been fascinated by gyrocopters, has TC crushed my flying dreams?

[trey kule]

I had to chuckle at Cat's remarks about the written. If you buy the FAA flight training book for helicopters the hardest part in it regards auto gyros. I asked the FAA guy why and he said it was because they are so different aerodynamically to fly that they kill alot of people I would suspect that is why they are emphasized on the written. there was some really nice ones in Canada years ago, but the Canadian dealer got killed flying one and that kind of put an end to it where I lived.
Additionally the little besen copters were being flown by people without any training whatsoever and the results were pretty much one would expect.

they certainily offer an intersting area of aviation.

[AEROBAT]

There was a fellow in Wetaskawin Alberta training on Gyrocopters. I havn't heard him on the radio for a while so he might not be in business now.

[Gogona]

Seems that for some reason TC is practically against obtaining your Gyro permit at any reasonable expense

Could you, please, provide more details regarding to this problem?

there was some really nice ones in Canada years ago, but the Canadian dealer got killed flying one

Was that RAF2000, as I guess?

[Strato50]

Briefly, it seems to me that the TC requirements for what in the US can be flown with a simpler permit are a bit in excess.

It would cost more to go through the proper channels @ $240/hr flight time for the 40+hrs required for the permit, than the cost of many gyro kits!

[Cat Driver]

I finally went to the U.S. and did a commercial gyroplane course on a Mc2 certified gyroplane as an add on to my commercial helicopter license.

It was a brutal course because the ground test took half a day.

T.C. is a bureaucracy and thus suffers from extreme inertia....inertia in doing nothing if it requires effort or intelligence.

[Posthumane]

There are several autogyros based in Medicine Hat, as well as a guy who instructs on them. I don't think he has an FTU-OC, so he can probably only instruct on student owned gyros, but there's always the option to buy a share into someone's machine for training purposes. I'm not sure of the guy's name, but if people are interested I can ask around.

[Brewguy]

I was very interested in autogyros a number of years ago, but it didn't seem like there was much available in Canada (as far as training, etc.).

One of the machines I was really interested in was one being made in New Zealand - called the UFO. Anyone know much about them? Are they still around? How did/does this machine compare to others on the market?

[Gogona]

Briefly, it seems to me that the TC requirements for what in the US can be flown with a simpler permit are a bit in excess.
It would cost more to go through the proper channels @ $240/hr flight time for the 40+hrs required for the permit, than the cost of many gyro kits!

So it's only a financial issue, right? I'm asking just because I worry, if there is any hidden problem other than training expenses.
But who exactly charges that high and what gyro model do they fly?

Brewguy
I highly recommend you to ask your question here: http://www.rotaryforum.com

[Strato50]

Briefly, it seems to me that the TC requirements for what in the US can be flown with a simpler permit are a bit in excess.
It would cost more to go through the proper channels @ $240/hr flight time for the 40+hrs required for the permit, than the cost of many gyro kits!

So it's only a financial issue, right? I'm asking just because I worry, if there is any hidden problem other than training expenses.
But who exactly charges that high and what gyro model do they fly?

Brewguy
I highly recommend you to ask your question here: http://www.rotaryforum.com

Indeed yes, perhaps limiting my searches to the internet is one of the issues here. I've yet to find a single instructor or even a field in Ontario that flys / trains on gyros :\

Pg1 of this thread has a link to a training facility in Quebec, they fly magni's. The $240/hr is listed on their page.

Do gyro's require registration in Canada?

[Gogona]

Pg1 of this thread has a link to a training facility in Quebec, they fly magni's. The $240/hr is listed on their page.

Well, that's too high. You might contact David Siger who has appeared above, I believe he charges less than $200 (or equal) and provides the training on MTO Sport and Calidus (http://www.auto-gyro.com). He flies in Quebec as well as Magni dealer.

Do gyro's require registration in Canada?

Absolutely.

[Strato50]

My love of gyro's is still alive, and yet my search for adequate resources in Ontario remains a bust

In a related thread, I read that the number of registered gyro's in Canada is far greater than trained pilots... Whats the story on flying these machines without the TC mandated training regime? Probably a bad Idea but, it seems to be what's going on, eh?

[Cat Driver]

Attempting to learn to fly any pusher prop gyroplane without proper training is like playing Russian
Roulette with three bulletts in a six shooter pistol.

[Gogona]

Strato50,
please, specify what do you need exactly. Maybe I could suggest you something useful.

[Strato50]

Attempting to learn to fly any pusher prop gyroplane without proper training is like playing Russian
Roulette with three bulletts in a six shooter pistol.

I whole-heartedly agree !

I like to find a local field / EAA group / training facility from which to get some first hand information or flight time; my eventual objective is my own machine but that is at least several years away!

I have a passion for these machines and for the time being, just want to experience them up close. Essentially I'm entirely green as far as piloting any machine, my main acquaintance with aviation is through my maintenance career!

[Gogona]

Strato50,

The bad news – you still need to go to Quebec, there is absolutely nothing in Ontario yet. The good news – we are currently working on that and gonna open the training facility in Ontario soon (Auto-Gyro™ gyroplanes only).
I might give you a demonstration ride on my machine, but I can't make any introductory or training flights, cause I don't hold FI rating. PM me if you are interested in.

[Strato50]

That sounds like a great idea. Where abouts do you plan on such a facility? I suspect there's a decent market down here?

[Beefitarian]

You guys should have came to Oshkosh. We watched a pair of them land yesterday. There is a plethora of them here.

I'm feeling for posting that. But it's true this is like airplane Mecca. Or.. Autogiro.