First Air Crash Resolute Bay August 20 2011
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My sincerest condolences to everyone at 7F and all who are affected by this tragic accident.
The time and place for speculation is silently in your mind, if at all.
Fly safe boys.
The time and place for speculation is silently in your mind, if at all.
Fly safe boys.
Re: First Air Crash Resolute Bay August 20 2011
Guy's its a time and a place this is not the time. What if you just found out a friend or family member died and we walk up and say they should have done this or they did that... point is this is not the time. We all are running it in our heads but most of us are respectful enough to give our thought and move on. Give it a while or start a new thread dont wreck this one for condolences
YWG
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hello fellow jet a1.
7F is the IATA airline designator for first air.
7F is the IATA airline designator for first air.
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Re: First Air Crash Resolute Bay August 20 2011
Most sincere condolences to family, friends and co-workers.
Please PM me names of the 4 crews please.
Martin
Please PM me names of the 4 crews please.
Martin
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Deepest condolences to the 7F family and the lost passenger's families.
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My thoughts are with all the folks at First Air, particularly the family and friends of everyone lost in the accident.
I don't believe in terms like "RIP" and "Godspeed" but rest assured, I do feel your pain.
I do know a couple of First Air folks. Top notch professionals, all.
I often wonder how a tightly knit group, like those of a small airline deal with something like this. How they get up the next morning, strap on an airplane and preform their duties, with the thoughts of a tragedy so fresh in their minds? Can't be easy. I've never "been there", but it has to be the hardest thing in the world to do.
Thinking of you all.
I don't believe in terms like "RIP" and "Godspeed" but rest assured, I do feel your pain.
I do know a couple of First Air folks. Top notch professionals, all.
I often wonder how a tightly knit group, like those of a small airline deal with something like this. How they get up the next morning, strap on an airplane and preform their duties, with the thoughts of a tragedy so fresh in their minds? Can't be easy. I've never "been there", but it has to be the hardest thing in the world to do.
Thinking of you all.
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very sad and condolences to all of the above crew and family//
i cant remember how many times as a kid my dad would phone home saying his 7 week tour just got extended but the bright side was its just 2 more weeks in res bay. back in the pwa era pan arctic oil days, lookin after a couple of bell206 b's and 205 he'd always come home on the 737. to those families affected tramatic and hard to handle.
the cockpit n flt data recorders will tell the events. however just from the location I have one ? based on the ils being notamed u/s could it be that the hsi was incorrectly set for a back course 35 and needles reversed sensing. this would explain why a very experienced crew was off track . every one of us at one time or another after a long flight has set the back course incorrectly then realized before intercept the loc and adjusted the hsi . the nav can replacement ils program is eliminating back courses for this very reason safety and cost .
now with glass front offices ( politically correct term) the s.i is much better but there are still many 'steam driven ' airliners and 704 ops too that the hsi is the key instrument.
once again very sad to learn of this will stand by for the tsb report.
i cant remember how many times as a kid my dad would phone home saying his 7 week tour just got extended but the bright side was its just 2 more weeks in res bay. back in the pwa era pan arctic oil days, lookin after a couple of bell206 b's and 205 he'd always come home on the 737. to those families affected tramatic and hard to handle.
the cockpit n flt data recorders will tell the events. however just from the location I have one ? based on the ils being notamed u/s could it be that the hsi was incorrectly set for a back course 35 and needles reversed sensing. this would explain why a very experienced crew was off track . every one of us at one time or another after a long flight has set the back course incorrectly then realized before intercept the loc and adjusted the hsi . the nav can replacement ils program is eliminating back courses for this very reason safety and cost .
now with glass front offices ( politically correct term) the s.i is much better but there are still many 'steam driven ' airliners and 704 ops too that the hsi is the key instrument.
once again very sad to learn of this will stand by for the tsb report.
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The ILS was NOTAMed after the accident.
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If NWN is confirmed as the accident aircraft, it's the same aircraft that had the incident in YEG in 2004. Low visibility approach (fog) with a runway excursion. No injuries but aircraft damage.
http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-repor ... 4w0032.asp
http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-repor ... 4w0032.asp
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To the First Air family and everyone affected, we are grieving alongside you. Please know that you are not alone during these hard times.
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Used to fix on one of their ship....C-FNVT, and if their fleet's equipment is standard, NVT is equiped with DUAL Universal FMS with built-in WAAS GPS..........
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I dont know how often people here read the national post, but if you did it would be a bit of a stretch to consider it an actual newspaper. Actual news and information isnt really what theyre in business for, so give them a break.
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My deepest condolences to the family and friends of crew and passengers of First Air Flight 6560.
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My thoughts and prayers with all those at 7F during this difficult time.
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Condolences to everyone impacted.
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Brantford Beech Boy wrote:I can answer "yes" to all of those questions, but I'll leave determination of cause to the professionals.Rowdy wrote:... do you know the area? the approach? the weather patterns in res? the company policies and SOPs? The crew themselves and their respective experience? That particular airframe and its history?...
Thoughts to the families and my former co-workers at 7F.
BBB
And that my friend is why I have such great respect for you as both a pilot and a human being. WE are not accident investigators. Let everyone grieve and wait for the reports to come out before we start bickering about it.
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PLEASE!!!! Someone PM me the names of the back end crew. 
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So sad. I was shocked when I saw the picture on the paper yesterday.
AS an FSS in CYVP, I saw that plane quite a few time and must have worked with that crew quite a few times also so I can't help but feel concerned by this awful accident.
All my thought go to the families, friends and coworkers of the crew and passengers.
I agree that at this point, it is best to leave aside theories and let the experts do their work. I don't expect to see the report before a year or two, but I think that nobody at this point, not even the TSB have all the elements to make a judgement of what happened and that all possibilities are open. No point in thinking about that too much if you ask me.
Again, my deepest sympathies to all those concerned
AS an FSS in CYVP, I saw that plane quite a few time and must have worked with that crew quite a few times also so I can't help but feel concerned by this awful accident.
All my thought go to the families, friends and coworkers of the crew and passengers.
I agree that at this point, it is best to leave aside theories and let the experts do their work. I don't expect to see the report before a year or two, but I think that nobody at this point, not even the TSB have all the elements to make a judgement of what happened and that all possibilities are open. No point in thinking about that too much if you ask me.
Again, my deepest sympathies to all those concerned
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RIP to the crew and passengers of this tragic event. My sincere condolences to the families and friends affected. I am truly sorry for your loss
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I am not familiar with Resolute and am wondering what the crash location's relation to the field is. Anyone have a diagram or can overlay the crash location on a Jepp chart?
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This was posted on a previous page. The yellow is the impact trail. I can't say if it's accurate or not. But it will probably be on the front page of The National Post tomorrow.cncpc wrote:
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That path is in line with the VOR (unless they moved it during the past 25 years). Am I wrong?
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Sorry, double post.
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