* AvCanada's Home Page * Photo Gallery * Directory * Topsites *Weather *Enter Chat * Media Kit
It is currently Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:25 pm



All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is chatting

Who is chatting
Enter Chat




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 6 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Clearance on a SID
PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:05 pm 
Offline
Rank 4
Rank 4

Joined: Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:18 pm
Posts: 249
I have begun getting a variation in my clearance and for the life of me can't figure out the difference.

Normally: "C-AAAA, cleared to the ABC airport via the ZZZ1 Departure squawk 8383." I normally just read back the squawk.

Lately: "C-AAAA, I'll need you to read this all back this time; cleared to the ABC airport via the ZZZ1 Departure, DIRECT squawk 8383"

Thoughts ideas? At first I thought it had something to do with in the event of a comms failure, I'd fly direct to the destination rather then the FPR, but m flight plan is always filed direct.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Clearance on a SID
PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:22 pm 
Offline
Rank 2
Rank 2

Joined: Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:24 am
Posts: 71
I believe, to the letter of the law, the only requirement is to read back the assigned code. However I know some airports (Calgary), have a requirement listed in the CFS for the pilot to read back the assigned code, runway, and SID.

As for the routing, you do need a routing after the SID in order to get you to your destination. We use the phrase "flight planned route", however using "direct" would also work.

As for the difference in your case (your flight planned route is direct), I don't see any difference between the use of "flight planned route" and "direct". In either case I would expect you to fly the SID, whatever that may be, and then point your nose towards your destination.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Clearance on a SID
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:30 am 
Offline
Rank Moderator
Rank Moderator

Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2004 1:21 am
Posts: 3525
Location: Vancouver
That's weird. If it's not a busy frequency I'd ask why the full readback. If it is busy call the tower supervisor and ask.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Clearance on a SID
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:39 am 
Offline
Rank 1
Rank 1

Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2007 2:36 pm
Posts: 18
Occasionally the flight strip will come through with a notation requiring a full readback of the routing, usually because something's been changed by flight-planning.

Recently, however, we've been getting more coming through requiring that readback even when the routing is simply direct. I don't know what causes this, and haven't been able to get an answer on it yet (we've also had VFR flight strips come through requiring a readback of the routing... this leads me to believe it's a glitch)

Since we don't generally look at the routing on a strip before you call for clearance we don't go asking flight planning why the readback is required ahead of time. When you call and we look at the clearance, it's just quicker to get the "direct" readback than to go looking for reasons for it.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Clearance on a SID
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:47 pm 
Offline
Rank 4
Rank 4

Joined: Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:18 pm
Posts: 249
avfun wrote:
Occasionally the flight strip will come through with a notation requiring a full readback of the routing, usually because something's been changed by flight-planning.

Recently, however, we've been getting more coming through requiring that readback even when the routing is simply direct. I don't know what causes this, and haven't been able to get an answer on it yet (we've also had VFR flight strips come through requiring a readback of the routing... this leads me to believe it's a glitch)

Since we don't generally look at the routing on a strip before you call for clearance we don't go asking flight planning why the readback is required ahead of time. When you call and we look at the clearance, it's just quicker to get the "direct" readback than to go looking for reasons for it.



Thanks... The first time it happened the controller said something along the lines of "I guess you need to read this all back....?" sounded a little confused himself. He had a few other aircraft calling for clearance at the same time so I figured I'd save the "do you have time for a question" for another day.. Or a lazy layover and avcanada... haha


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Clearance on a SID
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:58 am 
Offline
Rank 2
Rank 2

Joined: Tue Mar 09, 2004 1:09 pm
Posts: 71
Location: East Coast
From ATC MANOPS

You may omit requesting a readback for an initial IFR clearance issued by a ground or clearance delivery controller provided:

a: no changes have been made to the originally filed flight plan
b: the clearance is issued by referring to a machine printed strip or a video display of the flight plan
c: the clearance includes a published SID
d: no alternate instructions are included in the clearance; and
e: there is no apparent misunderstanding of the clearance contents.

the associated note says
Omission of a readback may be used only for the initial IFR clearance issued to a departing IFR aircraft. Departing IFR aircraft will acknowledge receipt of an IFR clearance by responding with the aircraft call sign and the assigned transponder code.


Hope that answers your question, we could have an equipment problem that would be transparent to you that would require us to get a full readback.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 6 posts ] 


All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group

 
For questions/comments please send them to
webmaster@avcanada.ca


AvCanada Topsites List
AVIATION TOP 100 - www.avitop.com Avitop.com

While the administrators and moderators of this  forum will attempt to remove or edit any generally objectionable material as  quickly as possible, it is impossible to review every message. If you feel a  topic or post is inappropriate email us at support@avcanada.ca .  By reading these forums you acknowledge that  all posts made to these forums express the views and opinions of the author and  not the administrators, moderators or webmaster (except for posts by these  people) and hence will not be held liable. This website is not responsible or liable in any way for any false or misleading messages or job ads placed at our site.   

Use AvCanada's information at your own risk!

We reserve the right to remove any messages that we deem unacceptable.
  When you post a message, your IP is logged and may be provided to concerned parties where unethical or illegal  behavior is apparent. All rights reserved.