A decision released today by Europe's highest court makes it final: mandatory retirement for pilots at age 60 is now illegal for all European airlines: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14899014
A copy of the actual decision, in PDF, is available on the Fly Past 60 web site: http://www.flypast60.com/Documents/EU-Age60.pdf
EU Court of Justice Ends Age 60 at European Airlines
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Morry Bund
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Re: EU Court of Justice Ends Age 60 at European Airlines
Tick tock, tick tock......
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Say Altitude
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Re: EU Court of Justice Ends Age 60 at European Airlines
This is where you keep getting it wrong - it's was and is a negotiated retirement age, not a mandatory one.
But really - I know you only see things for the way you want to see them, but no one forced it on us - it's negotiated.
Besides, don't you have other things to worry about? You've lost the last 2.......
But really - I know you only see things for the way you want to see them, but no one forced it on us - it's negotiated.
Besides, don't you have other things to worry about? You've lost the last 2.......
Re: EU Court of Justice Ends Age 60 at European Airlines
Incorrect. Those that were here back then will tell you it was never negotiated, it was arbitrarily imposed and never disputed. As well for the individual who does not wish to retire at 60 it very much is a "forced" retirement based on age which is why it ended up where it did in the CHRT, because forced retirement based on age is discriminatory. Air Canada pilots cannot contravene Canadian law by a majority vote. Sorry, we just aren't that important.Say Altitude wrote:This is where you keep getting it wrong - it's was and is a negotiated retirement age, not a mandatory one.
But really - I know you only see things for the way you want to see them, but no one forced it on us - it's negotiated.
Besides, don't you have other things to worry about? You've lost the last 2.......
As for losing the last two, you should read them again and give it a lot of thought rather than simply relying on the ACPA pablum you're being fed.
Re: EU Court of Justice Ends Age 60 at European Airlines
You can't negotiate away yours or anyone else's rights. If you could, the pilot group could decide by 50% plus 1 that we don't want to work with (insert religious group) or people of a specific race. How long do you think that would last?
Re: EU Court of Justice Ends Age 60 at European Airlines
This is the crux of the problem right here. Unlike the rest of Canada and most of the civilized world ACPA and its pilots still do not accept the concept of age discrimination, and do not believe that a majority vote in any way violates an individual's rights wrt forced retirement. Countless posts on this and other forums makes that fact abundantly clear. This misconception persists despite the corner they are inexorably being forced into, and is due in large part because ACPA still refuses to tell the truth. Assuming of course they even know the truth themselves which seems increasingly doubtful.Bored wrote:You can't negotiate away yours or anyone else's rights. If you could, the pilot group could decide by 50% plus 1 that we don't want to work with (insert religious group) or people of a specific race. How long do you think that would last?
Why are Air Canada pilots incapable of seeing beyond their own little world and properly assessing how outside events will effect them?
Re: EU Court of Justice Ends Age 60 at European Airlines
Say Altitude posted;
"This is where you keep getting it wrong - it's was and is a negotiated retirement age, not a mandatory one.
But really - I know you only see things for the way you want to see them, but no one forced it on us - it's negotiated.
Besides, don't you have other things to worry about? You've lost the last 2......."
As was pointed out later, this was never negotiated, rather imposed, and CALPA opposed a fixed retirement age till a pilot few people liked got re-instated in the early eighties.
Even more to the point, up until the early fifties, you had to retire at 45, and could not fly commercially if you were not "of the male sex". When the age changed to sixty, no-one expected those who were hired with an expectation of retiring at 45 to go at that age; the change was accepted as a good thing for all.
In the same way, people who contract a medical condition which is now acceptable for flying, but that would have prevented them from flying at the time they were hired do not leave now because of the rules when they were hired.
Things change; managing this change was possible; fighting it has hurt everyone.
ltitude posted; "
"This is where you keep getting it wrong - it's was and is a negotiated retirement age, not a mandatory one.
But really - I know you only see things for the way you want to see them, but no one forced it on us - it's negotiated.
Besides, don't you have other things to worry about? You've lost the last 2......."
As was pointed out later, this was never negotiated, rather imposed, and CALPA opposed a fixed retirement age till a pilot few people liked got re-instated in the early eighties.
Even more to the point, up until the early fifties, you had to retire at 45, and could not fly commercially if you were not "of the male sex". When the age changed to sixty, no-one expected those who were hired with an expectation of retiring at 45 to go at that age; the change was accepted as a good thing for all.
In the same way, people who contract a medical condition which is now acceptable for flying, but that would have prevented them from flying at the time they were hired do not leave now because of the rules when they were hired.
Things change; managing this change was possible; fighting it has hurt everyone.
ltitude posted; "
