Dropping Out of Confederation College Flight Program

[stall recovery]

I went to University before attending confederation college.
At university, I got all my tests back. For exams, most of the time, we did not get it back.
However, we could go to the main office and fill out a form to view our exam sometime later.
The viewing time was about half hour.
You could also get a photocopy of your final exam by paying some fees.
I too think that it is quite unfair and unusual that they don't let you view your final exam. I remember reading a section in the confed handbook that said that all students have the right to view their exams. So, its like...they are violating their own policy.

In regards to the original post, I am going to recommend something different from the people above. If you are completely lost after the first two weeks, it's a good idea to take some time off and work on your weak areas. Tutoring will help you for sure but you do have to understand some material in order to take advantage of tutoring. Not everyone fails because of partying. Sometimes, hard work is not enough. When I was at confed, only about half the class moved onto semester 2. The other half either failed or dropped out. A few more failed in semester 2. Some failed because they partied and did not work hard enough. However, I personally knew some people who did not party, worked really hard, got tutors, got help from instructors and still failed.

It is not an easy program and many people find the final semester 1 exam to be quite difficult. The other reason why I recommend dropping out is that the work load is going to almost double later on in the semester compared to now. The final exams test everything that was taught during the semester.

So, I recommend you to drop out now so you can get your tuition fee refunded. Use that money to take math, ground school and some flight experience. Also, work on your study skills. During that year off, learn to study efficiently and effectively. Then come back with a bang next year.

It is true that if you fail or wait too long to drop out, you will not be able to get into confed or sault next year. Don't rely on hearsay like "oh i know a guy who got in after failing". Getting back in after failing is extremely difficult and very rare. You have to have a very good reason for that.

[lownslow]

Don't rely on heresy like "oh i know a guy who got in after failing". Getting back in after failing is extremely difficult and very rare.

I think you mean hearsay here but there's something I like about using heresy instead in this case.

LnS.

[robertsailor1]

Sometimes people are just not cut out for certain vocations.

[Ramped]

How much does the entire program cost in the end?

[SuperchargedRS]

….. For exams, most of the time, we did not get it back.
However, we could go to the main office and fill out a form to view our exam sometime later…..

….I remember reading a section in the confed handbook that said that all students have the right to view their exams. So, its like...they are violating their own policy……

That mirrors my experience in the University system, as well as my experience and feelings about confed.

Don't rely on heresy like "oh i know a guy who got in after failing"

I agree, and could post names of people who got back in. (after taking some BS classes and spending even more money with the school until next semester rolled around), however I will not do that, as I don’t want to cause them any problems.

Sometimes people are just not cut out for certain vocations.

Yea, however I would not use one success, or lack thereof, at confed to measure ones aptitude for aviation.

There were some people who did not make it past 1st semester who went on and did better then most top confed grads in when they first hit the job market AND some people who went all the way through the program and are struggling in the industry right now, of course the inverse is true as well.

How much does the entire program cost in the end?

OK, this is JUST for 1st SEMIESTER (subsidized)

What you got

About 16hrs of flight time in a 172 (S or N model)
A radio operator’s license
Finished the TC written for the PPL

What you pay (based of living in res)

Just shy of $10k with all the books, residence fees, MANADATORY meal plan, tuition (which is not much compared to everything else) and all the other fees.

The college makes a killing on the ancillary stuff that you MUST have for the program.

FYI, if you were to live on the cheap with family or with a few roomies and pay the same 10k for a private pilot package at the local flight school, you would end up with a PPL (complete) and far more hours in LESS time.

[winds_in_flight_wtf]

….. For exams, most of the time, we did not get it back.
However, we could go to the main office and fill out a form to view our exam sometime later…..

….I remember reading a section in the confed handbook that said that all students have the right to view their exams. So, its like...they are violating their own policy……

That mirrors my experience in the University system, as well as my experience and feelings about confed.

Don't rely on heresy like "oh i know a guy who got in after failing"

I agree, and could post names of people who got back in. (after taking some BS classes and spending even more money with the school until next semester rolled around), however I will not do that, as I don’t want to cause them any problems.

Sometimes people are just not cut out for certain vocations.

Yea, however I would not use one success, or lack thereof, at confed to measure ones aptitude for aviation.

There were some people who did not make it past 1st semester who went on and did better then most top confed grads in when they first hit the job market AND some people who went all the way through the program and are struggling in the industry right now, of course the inverse is true as well.

How much does the entire program cost in the end?

OK, this is JUST for 1st SEMIESTER (subsidized)

What you got

About 16hrs of flight time in a 172 (S or N model)
A radio operator’s license
Finished the TC written for the PPL

What you pay (based of living in res)

Just shy of $10k with all the books, residence fees, MANADATORY meal plan, tuition (which is not much compared to everything else) and all the other fees.

The college makes a killing on the ancillary stuff that you MUST have for the program.

FYI, if you were to live on the cheap with family or with a few roomies and pay the same 10k for a private pilot package at the local flight school, you would end up with a PPL (complete) and far more hours in LESS time.

Quitting while you're ahead is not necessarily quitting.

There is no way in hell - you can explain, prove, or even begin to make someone comprehend that confed is not a great deal. Where the hell did you get those numbers? I paid a bit under 10 grand for tuition , and received a CPL Float R, a good amount of sim time. They bring you all the way up to your INRAT/IATRA now, all for 10,000 ish. Why are you pulling figures such as living expenses, books, etc into the equation? Hell go take a college math course, opt out of the non flying subjects, and just work on the aviation related items. What books / sources does confed use which are not already out there? The training received for the price is among the best if not THE best in the country. Nobody can prove otherwise because the numbers just don't work. Even if you use this years tuition costs + 2nd year , it still totals a fraction of what one would pay at a flying club . If you want to bring in books, living etc- the prices go higher.

[Typhoon]

I second what winds_in_flight said. I paid around $10,000 for my TOTAL tuition and flight training at the college. There is no WAY in hell first semester alone is $10,000.

[AllClutch]

I think I paid about 20
000 for 2 years all in.
That's including rent and food ect. Which you'd be paying sitting at home on your ass anyway, except you get a Cpl.

[SuperchargedRS]

..... you can explain, prove, or even begin to make someone comprehend that confed is not a great deal......

Well typically just about half the class will not make it past semester 1 and end up with 10k in debt (if they stay in res like most) and 16hrs flight time, thats about $600 a flight hr in a C172, think our average price around here is $110 wet. On a side note most of the kids in the program would be living with mom and dad otherwise, thus $0 rent.

Where the hell did you get those numbers? I paid a bit under 10 grand for tuition , and received a CPL Float R, a good amount of sim time.

I got the numbers from my taxes for that quarter, that is what I was out of pocket for attending 1 semester. NOW if I stayed longer the cost would have been less for semester 2 etc.

ALSO hardly ANY student just pays tuition, they stay in residence, thus they have to pay for that, the meal plan, books, fees etc.

If you read what I wrote you would notice that I stated tuition is the cheaper aspect of that college. Now if you are part of the just over 50% average that don't make it to semester 2; YOU DO NOT GET ANY REFUNDS, this includes the unused portion of residence, meal plan, fees, tuition, etc.

FYI For what you get out of the meal plan and the accommodations living in res, no one would pay that much outside of that college environment, especially for somewhere like T Bay.

....The training received for the price is among the best if not THE best in the country. Nobody can prove otherwise....

OK just a little less kool-aid with that statement please . The training was OK, but lets not make this out to be Top-Gun school.



And if you want a comparison.

60k paid for training
250hrs
CPL (initial done on floats)
IFR (with a instructor with 20 years IFR experience)
Float (Instructor's 9-5 job is/was? flying DHC-2s on the west coast)
Instructor rating
Stinson (free and clear)
All time was tailwheel or float (minus about 16hrs in a C172)

Current value for the Stinson as she sits now $48k, if the plane were to be sold that would break down to about $12k for all training





I was living in a very major city, thus able to work a good job and going out to eat every night for food during the time I was doing my training (which I finished in less then 2yrs)

IMHO this beats living in the brick jail cell style residence, eating ARAMARK food and hanging out in chunder bay.


I am not trying to bash confed unfairly here, I am just saying there are way better ways to get to where you want to go.

[AUGER9]

ALSO hardly ANY student just pays tuition, they stay in residence, thus they have to pay for that, the meal plan, books, fees etc.

If you read what I wrote you would notice that I stated tuition is the cheaper aspect of that college. Now if you are part of the just over 50% average that don't make it to semester .

First of all, you have to pay for ALL of that stuff regardless of where you do your training. You need to pay to live, eat, and buy the appropriate books, materials etc. Second of all, the grad rate in recent years has been closer to about 70% or so. So maybe get your facts straight before you start ranting.

Everything combined, I payed just over 20K. That was for everything. Tuition, living, food etc. Tack on another 5k for the mifr I did at the end. You won't find a much more inexpensive way to become a commercial pilot. Even if you were to stay in your mother's basement while you went to flight school somewhere, it would still be more expensive than Confed.

[bahsheep]

For people wanting to go to Confed:

Confed is a great way to get your flight training because it's subsidized. But, there are many ways that people can fail out of this program. 40-50% of people fail first semester because of the final exam. And 3-5 people fail because they can't keep up with the flight portion throughout the year. 1-2 will fail because of some stupid reason.

-You HAVE to do well on the quizzes and tests (50%). These are very easy compared to the final exam which is pretty tricky.
-Get study partners, tutors and study a lot to do well for the quizzes and test
-Do not get in bad terms with any instructors. If they don't like you, they will find ways to make your life hell or just kick you out.
-Get at least like 20 flight hours before coming to Confed.

Statistically speaking, they don't really do a very good job of teaching. Few people fail out because they can't fly within time requirements and that's fine, but 50% failing out first semester shows that they are not teaching properly. Also, out of the 30% that end up graduating, most people already have had flight training before or have PPL. So, for people coming here with no experience, odds are stacked against you. In my opinion, 50% failing first semester was pretty ridiculous and shows that 1. they accept too many students that are not qualified for the program 2. they don't know how to teach. It's a waste of time/money for a lot of people.

[stall recovery]

Second of all, the grad rate in recent years has been closer to about 70% or so. So maybe get your facts straight before you start ranting.

It could be that my class was unusual in terms of failure rate, but it was still about 50 %.
I am talking about the graduating class of 2011.
We started off semester 1 with between 64 to 68 students.
Only between 32 to 34 students made it to semester 3.
We basically had two full classrooms in the beginning.
By semester 3, everyone fit nicely into one little classroom.

Yes, it is true that whoever passes gets to continue on in the program.
However, anyone that went to university knows how the bell curve works.
They have a limited number of resources (staff, space, aircraft, funds).
They cannot even accommodate everyone that starts off the program into semester 2 when there is a lot more flying.
So how do they make sure that they have roughly as many students passing onto semester 2 as they can accommodate ?
I'll let you in on a dirty little secret here.

The level of difficulty of the final exams allows them to control how many students they want in semester 2.
They have perfected this technique over the years, and have got it down to a science.
If they can accommodate more students in semester 2, they will make the exams easier.
If they want a smaller class, they will make the exams harder.
Actually, they err on the side of caution, meaning that they make the exams a bit harder than necessary. Then they have more control over the number of students.

Example:

If 40 students make the cut but they only want 34, too bad, they have to move all 40 students into semester 2.

Now, let's say only 28 students make the cut and they want 34 in semester 2. Now, they can exercise their discretion. The remaining 6 seats will go to people that officially failed.
Here, my knowledge is a bit lacking. One possibility is that those 6 seats just go to people at the top of the fail list. Another possibility is that those 6 seats go to people that they like or consider to have potential in the program.

So, yes, everyone that passes gets to continue on in the program.
But, don't forget that they can weed out however many people they want based on the difficulty level of the exams.
Consider this: Whether the exams are hard so that only 20 students pass, or easy so that 50 students pass, most observers will still consider this "FAIR".
After all, everyone that passes gets to move on. Seems fair, right ?

As far as I know, there are two main reasons for not allowing the students to view their exams:

1. It would seem unfair if people found out that they have been letting officially failed students into semester 2. If no one views the exams, it leaves room for them to exercise their discretion.

2. It is just difficult to keep coming up with new questions that both test your knowledge and are just the right level of difficulty.

I too think that it is quite unfair and unusual that they don't let you view your final exam. I remember reading a section in the confed handbook that said that all students have the right to view their exams. So, its like...they are violating their own policy.

Here is a link to the confederation college handbook:

http://www.confederationc.on.ca/sites/d ... 12-web.pdf

Scroll down to page 94. I quote:

"Students have the right to see and review all of their graded
personal work with the professor. Graded work will either be kept
by the faculty or returned to the student. Graded work, which
is kept by the faculty member, shall be held for a period of one
semester beyond the semester in which the grade was achieved"

I would be curious to know if other programs at confederation college also uphold the students' rights as much as this program does.

[GlobalXV]

..... you can explain, prove, or even begin to make someone comprehend that confed is not a great deal......

Well typically just about half the class will not make it past semester 1 and end up with 10k in debt (if they stay in res like most) and 16hrs flight time, thats about $600 a flight hr in a C172, think our average price around here is $110 wet. On a side note most of the kids in the program would be living with mom and dad otherwise, thus $0 rent.

Where the hell did you get those numbers? I paid a bit under 10 grand for tuition , and received a CPL Float R, a good amount of sim time.

I got the numbers from my taxes for that quarter, that is what I was out of pocket for attending 1 semester. NOW if I stayed longer the cost would have been less for semester 2 etc.

ALSO hardly ANY student just pays tuition, they stay in residence, thus they have to pay for that, the meal plan, books, fees etc.

If you read what I wrote you would notice that I stated tuition is the cheaper aspect of that college. Now if you are part of the just over 50% average that don't make it to semester 2; YOU DO NOT GET ANY REFUNDS, this includes the unused portion of residence, meal plan, fees, tuition, etc.

FYI For what you get out of the meal plan and the accommodations living in res, no one would pay that much outside of that college environment, especially for somewhere like T Bay.

....The training received for the price is among the best if not THE best in the country. Nobody can prove otherwise....

OK just a little less kool-aid with that statement please . The training was OK, but lets not make this out to be Top-Gun school.



And if you want a comparison.

60k paid for training
250hrs
CPL (initial done on floats)
IFR (with a instructor with 20 years IFR experience)
Float (Instructor's 9-5 job is/was? flying DHC-2s on the west coast)
Instructor rating
Stinson (free and clear)
All time was tailwheel or float (minus about 16hrs in a C172)

Current value for the Stinson as she sits now $48k, if the plane were to be sold that would break down to about $12k for all training





I was living in a very major city, thus able to work a good job and going out to eat every night for food during the time I was doing my training (which I finished in less then 2yrs)

IMHO this beats living in the brick jail cell style residence, eating ARAMARK food and hanging out in chunder bay.


I am not trying to bash confed unfairly here, I am just saying there are way better ways to get to where you want to go.

I don't usually post on this site however, like many have pointed out , you're obviously bias given a bad experience there.

I do not think winds is making it out to be a top gun school . He simply said best bang for the buck. Do not distort what someone is saying to make your post sound better. Everyone knows (unless you failed out) , that it is still a great school, and they do what is asked of them. If you do not retain the grade, you do not pass. It is just like most UNIVERSITY programs. I do not want to be subsidizing someone who thinks it's just "okay" to get a 51% in navigation. In other words you get the most for every dollar spent. You spent 60,000? Well factor in your living expenses, automobile, and such (not a fair or realistic submission , because that is simply life). You are using necessities of life as a reason to justify that Confed is not a good program, that you can somehow do it cheaper elsewhere and own your own airplane afterwards. I never lived on campus. I never purchased the aramark plan. It is indeed a rip off - as is every single post secondary program. However you focus solely on what you're getting flight side, you cannot beat it. It is impossible. You say 50% of the class fails? That is simple not true, and a lie. It is factually incorrect and you are just using negative experiences as steadfast reasons to say what you have to say. That is just not realistic. We paid 9,000 , received exactly what you received in the end. Some pursue their instructor rating and pay a little bit more elsewhere, same with the MIFR.

Also, to say people are going to be living at home while all this is happening is insulting . I guess that is our generation ? Live at home / live off mom and dad. I never had that luxury and I still do not.

Bottom line, you focus so hard on the first 4 months of the program (living in alcatraz) and such, that you completely miss the point.

[SuperchargedRS]

I do not think winds is making it out to be a top gun school . He simply said best bang for the buck. Do not distort what someone is saying to make your post sound better. Everyone knows (unless you failed out) , that it is still a great school, and they do what is asked of them. If you do not retain the grade, you do not pass. It is just like most UNIVERSITY programs. I do not want to be subsidizing someone who thinks it's just "okay" to get a 51% in navigation. In other words you get the most for every dollar spent. You spent 60,000? Well factor in your living expenses, automobile, and such (not a fair or realistic submission , because that is simply life). You are using necessities of life as a reason to justify that Confed is not a good program, that you can somehow do it cheaper elsewhere and own your own airplane afterwards. I never lived on campus. I never purchased the aramark plan. It is indeed a rip off - as is every single post secondary program. However you focus solely on what you're getting flight side, you cannot beat it. It is impossible. You say 50% of the class fails? That is simple not true, and a lie. It is factually incorrect and you are just using negative experiences as steadfast reasons to say what you have to say. That is just not realistic. We paid 9,000 , received exactly what you received in the end. Some pursue their instructor rating and pay a little bit more elsewhere, same with the MIFR.

Also, to say people are going to be living at home while all this is happening is insulting . I guess that is our generation ? Live at home / live off mom and dad. I never had that luxury and I still do not.

Bottom line, you focus so hard on the first 4 months of the program (living in alcatraz) and such, that you completely miss the point.

I think I am going to bow out of this topic after this, I'm not a big fan of repeating myself.



1) M O S T students live in res and have to pay for jumping through those hoops with the meal plan etc. Now if that wasnt you, give your self a pat on the back, but MOST WENT THE RES ROUTE

2) PLEASE READ THE THREAD, I am not the only one saying that confed has a 50% ish washout rate, also when you notice over half the class is gone it ain't because they went on vacation

3) As someone who held a degree before attending confed, it is most certainly not run like an university program.

4) Who said anything about failing classes before the big test? There were a number of people that were doing just fine (70%, 80% average) in class before the final test culling

5) For the argument of having to pay for housing anyway:
5a) I paid a LESS per month living in a major city in a house with a roomie then I did at confed
5b) The food I ate was restaurant food, costing about the same per meal as the Aramark "food"
5c) By not living in T. Bay I was able to work a great (and well paying job) thus off setting these expenses, finding a comparable job while going to confed would prove VERY difficult
5d) MOST of the kids in the program JUST finished HIGH SCHOOL and as many kids who are post-highschool, pre-college they lived at home, thus $0 rent, less for food etc.

6) Say what I have to say??? I could care less if you go to confed and come out with a bunch of C172 time, debt and a token "bush" course (and that's presuming you dont get cut first semester!), doesn't effect my life whatsoever, I'm just trying to save someone the headache, take my advise or leave it, your grown you make your own choices!

7) I never said I did it for less and managed to own my own plane afterwards, IF I were to sell my plane then YES I would have done it for less AND got more valuable hours, taught by more experienced instructors, got more ratings AND lived in a kick ass place during the time.

BUT I am not selling my plane (which is a personal choice) so by KEEPING my plane it cost more. What I did was prove that if you were to replicate what I did you would be able to do it for less and get more, you just would have to part with the aircraft after you finished your CPL.



Not matter what you decide GOOD LUCK and enjoy your training!!!

[pointyendforward]

Geeze..... What is our world coming to????? Don't we have enough pilots as it is??? If Confed passed all the young bucks who were hung over or just didn't show up to class would there be any jobs at all? How many students make it through the first year at Seneca or Sault? How much flight time do they get in their first year and what do they pay for tuition? Remember this is not high school anymore, you are expected to act accordingly.
As a con grad I can tell you from experience that the staff and instructors there are amazing, especially their float instructors. I would challenge anyone who thinks that Con grads are lacking in the hands and feet department... Ask any float operator who has had a CC grad at the controls and see what they say... I think you will find we are some of the best trained out there....
And to the OP, stick with it, definitely get a tutor and study, study, study.... It will be a tough year but you will end up meeting some amazing people who will be co-workers on and off for your entire career.... Remember once you're in "the game" it's who you know, not what you know....
Fly Safe All
PEF

[GlobalXV]

I laugh because you completely miss everyone's point regarding your bias , and again non-factual information.

1) 50% of people do not fail out - The last two years have been among the highest # and lowest #s put out. It varies ! Some people work harder than others, a fact of life. Get over it.

2) I don't care about res. Every post secondary institution in the country has the same figures. Rez has nothing to do with the flight training or success of the program . You make it sound like confed is the only school which operates the way that it does. You're full of shit to say the least. Spare us the patronizing. I have followed confed threads for years and this is not the first time you have provided incorrect information to those seeking reliable , factual information.

3) As someone who also held a degree before hand, it is more clear cut that most uni programs. You make this grade (just like TC operates flight tests), or else you do not move forward. Again, I do not want someone flying for me who has a 51% in human factors, navigation, etc.

4) Further proves how out to lunch you are. You mean to tell me , that people do extremely well throughout first semester (every core aviation / non aviation subject) and then just flunk the final three exams? Are you an idiot? If this happens, the student in question should be nowhere around an airplane if they can't control their nerves for a test. It's not like they ask you new material, or produce the final exam in German. It is straight forward. You study and follow the PPL study guide or you do not.

jumping to 6 ) 10,000 for a ton of IFR ground instruction + sim time, IATRA + INRAT + CPL, 250 hrs, 24 hrs on floats etc. sounds horrible. You are causing headaches as opposed to preventing them. If everyone went in with your attitude they would fail.

Bottom line, if the program was that faulty and sketchy, you would never have paid tuition , enrolled, and made an appearance.

Have a nice day.

[SuperchargedRS]

Ok, I have to reply to that

1) 50% of people do not fail out - The last two years have been among the highest # and lowest #s put out. It varies ! Some people work harder than others, a fact of life. Get over it.

.....40-50% of people fail first semester because....

.....It could be that my class was unusual in terms of failure rate, but it was still about 50 %.....

Same as what I said about 50%

2) I don't care about res. Every post secondary institution in the country has the same figures. Rez has nothing to do with the flight training or success of the program .

It's a factor because the MAJORITY go this route, it's like a rental car, the car is only $20 a day but when you add up all the other BS you basically have to have it's $80 a day
It is called a cost of going to college.

You're full of shit to say the least. Spare us the patronizing. I have followed confed threads for years and this is not the first time you have provided incorrect information to those seeking reliable , factual information.

Yep, thats me providing false information just like the OTHER PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD, saying more or less the same failure rates, hours, etc. Yea buddy it's a big conspiracy to make confed look bad lol

4) Further proves how out to lunch you are. You mean to tell me , that people do extremely well throughout first semester (every core aviation / non aviation subject) and then just flunk the final three exams? Are you an idiot? If this happens, the student in question should be nowhere around an airplane if they can't control their nerves for a test. It's not like they ask you new material, or produce the final exam in German. It is straight forward. You study and follow the PPL study guide or you do not.

Where are you getting this from, and stress?? PPL Study guide?? it's a confed test not a TC test. I would love to tell you where the problems were on the finals but its difficult when students cant see their tests after they are graded eh!?

10,000 for a ton of IFR ground instruction + sim time, IATRA + INRAT + CPL, 250 hrs, 24 hrs on floats etc. sounds horrible. You are causing headaches as opposed to preventing them. If everyone went in with your attitude they would fail.

How do you figure they would fail???

If I sold the plane I am at 12k for EVERYTHING IFR (not ground time lol) involving plenty of IMC time and an IFR ticked at the end, just under 40hrs floats (including a large chunk solo, also my inital CPL was done on floats), about 200hrs tailwheel time, off field work (beach landings, grass strip landings, etc) 2,000nm x-countries, Instructors ticket and CPL I did it, wasnt that big of a deal, I think anyone could manage to figure out how to do what I did.

Bottom line, if the program was that faulty and sketchy, you would never have paid tuition , enrolled, and made an appearance.

Bottom line, if I knew what I know now I would not have paid tuition, enrolled or made a appearance.


As for me being sketchy, yea your right, I'm full of it, 100% BS, Guess this isnt a photo of me and a Stinson.

[the_cr]

Read the line that quoted again, he never called you sketchy. It was only a matter of time before you whipped your naughty bits out and started measuring.

The program has a final exam just like any other post secondary program. That final exam is worth more of the mark than anything else in the year, just like any other post secondary program. The program has a minimum grade to continue, just like any other post secondary program.

Yes, the minimum is higher than most, but receiving taxpayer money to fund your education should be something that needs to be earned, not given.

And, as the minimum grade is a 70 in core classes, your buddies that were going in with a 70 average were by no means doing "just fine". They, and I assume yourself as well were riding the edge of what is accepted and fell below. You don't get to continue getting a subsidized education.

Any extra costs come down to the fact that it is an education. Yes, a CPL could cost you less doing it privately, however, if someone were to go from highschool and just start working on a pilots license, they aren't getting a post secondary education.

[GlobalXV]

Ok, I have to reply to that

1) 50% of people do not fail out - The last two years have been among the highest # and lowest #s put out. It varies ! Some people work harder than others, a fact of life. Get over it.

.....40-50% of people fail first semester because....

.....It could be that my class was unusual in terms of failure rate, but it was still about 50 %.....

Same as what I said about 50%

2) I don't care about res. Every post secondary institution in the country has the same figures. Rez has nothing to do with the flight training or success of the program .

It's a factor because the MAJORITY go this route, it's like a rental car, the car is only $20 a day but when you add up all the other BS you basically have to have it's $80 a day
It is called a cost of going to college.

You're full of shit to say the least. Spare us the patronizing. I have followed confed threads for years and this is not the first time you have provided incorrect information to those seeking reliable , factual information.

Yep, thats me providing false information just like the OTHER PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD, saying more or less the same failure rates, hours, etc. Yea buddy it's a big conspiracy to make confed look bad lol

4) Further proves how out to lunch you are. You mean to tell me , that people do extremely well throughout first semester (every core aviation / non aviation subject) and then just flunk the final three exams? Are you an idiot? If this happens, the student in question should be nowhere around an airplane if they can't control their nerves for a test. It's not like they ask you new material, or produce the final exam in German. It is straight forward. You study and follow the PPL study guide or you do not.

Where are you getting this from, and stress?? PPL Study guide?? it's a confed test not a TC test. I would love to tell you where the problems were on the finals but its difficult when students cant see their tests after they are graded eh!?

10,000 for a ton of IFR ground instruction + sim time, IATRA + INRAT + CPL, 250 hrs, 24 hrs on floats etc. sounds horrible. You are causing headaches as opposed to preventing them. If everyone went in with your attitude they would fail.

How do you figure they would fail???

If I sold the plane I am at 12k for EVERYTHING IFR (not ground time lol) involving plenty of IMC time and an IFR ticked at the end, just under 40hrs floats (including a large chunk solo, also my inital CPL was done on floats), about 200hrs tailwheel time, off field work (beach landings, grass strip landings, etc) 2,000nm x-countries, Instructors ticket and CPL I did it, wasnt that big of a deal, I think anyone could manage to figure out how to do what I did.

Bottom line, if the program was that faulty and sketchy, you would never have paid tuition , enrolled, and made an appearance.

Bottom line, if I knew what I know now I would not have paid tuition, enrolled or made a appearance.


As for me being sketchy, yea your right, I'm full of it, 100% BS, Guess this isnt a photo of me and a Stinson.

I will not waste my time trying to convince you otherwise because you simply will never get the point. I am responding for the sake of the author, and others who will possibly consider the college route.

Just because you were not successful and failed to take responsibility for your own actions, does not mean everyone has the same experience. You quoted a bunch of people who said 50% fail here and there. Like every year , 50% fail. I will say it one last time - that in my year, only about 1/4 failed. The year after that, similar situation. The year after that - a lot more did . There is no real way to judge the numbers. Some classes do remarkably better than others, while some are full of children who really have no aspirations in life. This does not rule out that one guy who tries very hard, has always wanted to fly, and it just did not work out. It happens. Want to pull out U of T engineering failure rate stars? How about UOWO? Forestry programs - very similar.

I do not understand why you are bringing up the costs of going to college (living expenses, etc). I am referring to the added costs. When one looks at going to university, they do not say my tuition is 30,000 a year with everything included. You pay your tuition then budget accordingly. So stop mix matching the irrelevant.

You , and one other stated that specific year, the failure rate was higher than usual. Sometimes its far less than usual. I stated the trend given my tenure, and it has been dismissed by you for the purpose of pomposity. The classes do not fail 50% on a yearly basis. For the 4th time, you are incorrect and providing false and bias information. You are trying to justify why YOUR route was better just because you did not succeed there. From what I have seen here your attitude would not have survived anyway.

GlobalXV wrote:
4) Further proves how out to lunch you are. You mean to tell me , that people do extremely well throughout first semester (every core aviation / non aviation subject) and then just flunk the final three exams? Are you an idiot? If this happens, the student in question should be nowhere around an airplane if they can't control their nerves for a test. It's not like they ask you new material, or produce the final exam in German. It is straight forward. You study and follow the PPL study guide or you do not.


Where are you getting this from, and stress?? PPL Study guide?? it's a confed test not a TC test. I would love to tell you where the problems were on the finals but its difficult when students cant see their tests after they are graded eh!?

You said in a previous post, that some people fail due to the FINAL only. They do VERY WELL throughout the semester and then they just simply fail. This is bullshit. Complete utter bullshit. See your previous post. Why would someone fail if they had very good marks all semester? The exams are no different than TC as the material is identical. Some may be a bit more tricky but the exams are not that different. What the hell do you think this is? A free for all? Concorde V speeds and moment calculations out of nowhere? Maybe toss in some A320 FMS questions ? I simply said follow the PPL reference guide provided by TC, and you are good to go. Those who cannot remember VFR minima, or CAP clouds, or notam specifics, should not advance to the next semseter , period. Also, I got to see my final exam. I did remarkably well. Again, your "cannot see exam theory" is bs. If they did not let you see it then there was probably behind the scenes reasons which you have failed to disclose.

Congrats on you and your stinson. Do you want me to give Obama a call and arrange a medal of honor ceremony ? 21 gun salute?

Some of us paid less than 10 grand - and did remarkably well. By all means, do it privately and pay 50,000 .

You also fail to understand (for the third time) ,I do not want to pay for someone to attend school if they cannot make a reasonable grade There is a timeline with the fantastic deal , and if we played it your way , the college would have have some students qualifying for their ATPL in hour count yet still trying to achieve that first solo! There is a method to their madness .

have a great day

[robertsailor1]

Nice looking Stinson..by the way

[Shiny Side Up]

It is a beauty. They really should paint more airplanes red.

[SuperchargedRS]

Thanks!

[WileyCoyote]

What I don't understand is with the supply excess, why flight programs are subsidized at all.

[GlobalXV]

Perhaps they should shutdown half the countries flight schools while they're at it.

[squidshurt]

1. Alright first off squids hurt.

2. Wanderer make up your own mind. Avcanada is the last place I would go for an unbiased opinion.

3. superduper-stinsonman123 you have been wasting everyones time for way too long with your longwinded, sour-grapes, useless, inaccurate, non-sensical ravings about ludacris sub-topics of the original post. Did he ask how the food was in a major city? Did he say "hey superstinson, show me a rad pic of a red plane with a Jabroni standing beside it? No, he simply asked if these were typical feelings and if he could make it. So we can all deduce that you were a "star" pupil getting 90s up until the 1st semester MCAT mystery exam which was on how to do a labotomy. Some of us people or perhaps our parents don't have an extra 50gs to shell out for a pretty vintage airplane and then pay for an instructor on top of it (instead we passed and used the world-class instructors at the school you failed out of).

3. If your going to slander someone's name EDITED on an anonymous forum you should be man enough to put your own name up. That way the rest of us will know who you are and that you couldn't pass a simple exam. However, thanks for putting your picture up, you look really cute. maybe we should all put pics of ourselves standing next to our Grandpa's airplane.