Georgina Bay Airways flips Found

[ruddersup?]

Anyone have more news on the Found floatplane accident that happened at Parry Sound yesterday. I understand everyone got out okay.

[burhead1]

http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/2/c ... pe=0&narr=

[FICU]

Heard the ELTs from that one and another accident further east. Bad day.

[ruddersup?]

Sorry about that, it's Georgian Bay Airways

[mag check]

Witnesses claim it was the second takeoff attempt, and that they stalled it in. Plane is wrecked. Wonder how a commercial pilot manages to stall on T/O........................

[MrWings]

Wow. I don't think I've ever heard of that aircraft or seen one out West.

Sounds like a quiet little Canadian aviation success story.

Can anyone give me an anecdotal of review of Found aircraft? Looking for something other than what wiki and the company website provides.

[mag check]

Eye witnesses tell me that the aircraft was taking off toward the shore, and was running out of room. They say it stalled in as the plane was headed for rising terrain and the busy town. I guess it's true that you can't make an airplane climb if the control is buried in your lap.

[DH Driver]

http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-repor ... 1o0166.asp

For those who are interested

[trey kule]

I am going to defend the pilot here a bit. It is surprising how many pilots dont understand the simple fact that once you go below the best angle of climb speed, you are on the backside of the curve and performance is actually being decreased.....You must get it to the best angle of climb speed even if the rising terrain is coming at you. A second or two in ground effect to get the speed up before commencing a climb.

But...for those that are tsk tsking, when the terrain is rising , it is knowledge and training that should rule the moment, but generally it is fear, and the fear casues one to pitch up below the best angle of climb speed. Easy to criticize from an armchair behind a computer.
I used to teach extreme short field flying in a rather nasty part of the world and we concentrated on this issue, as it is instinct to keep pulling back..Takes some training to overcome it, and
I suspect this operator did not have much need to teach it.
As to the other c of g, error in propane bottle weights, one mag takeoff...it does look a bit sloppy for a professional, and like the swiss cheese, they all lined up for him that day..

I did chuckle that the company now put a line in the checklist that mags on both before takeoff...we have come to that in aviation today...a pilot has to actually be told that it is important...I have to wonder how many float pilots refer to the checklist before taking off. Putting in a weigh scale was a nice touch, after the accident..The whole thing looks like the company got used to ignoring proper and safe procedures until they had an accident...to common a thing, and one that has been going on for years.

[stone69]

Re: MrWings not having seen one out west..... PWA flew one out of Seal Cove ( Prince Rupert ) in the early sixties. They were very new aircraft and not sure if PWA had any at other bases, but as I recall, it was meant as a trial for use on the coast. Unfortunately, this aircraft was lost in a crash on the north side of Mt. Morris ( across the harbour from Rupert ) on a flight from Port Simpson in about 63 or 64.....

[beech 18]

Wow. I don't think I've ever heard of that aircraft or seen one out West.

Sounds like a quiet little Canadian aviation success story.

Can anyone give me an anecdotal of review of Found aircraft? Looking for something other than what wiki and the company website provides.

Sept 23, 2012

Only came across one Found Aircraft years ago.

It was operated by Starratt Airways in Hudson, Ontario in the late 1960's and 1970's.
Starratt's really liked the aircraft and operated it year round on floats and skis off
the lake and ice at Hudson. (Hudson is about 10 miles from Sioux Lookout).

I believe I heard from one of the Starratt's that the rudder and elevator's on the aircraft
were interchangable with each other. Not 100% positive about that.
The aircraft had no wing struts. It had four cabin doors.
When the Starratt's mentioned anything about the aircraft it sounded like a good bush
machine.