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Midnight Sun Flyer

Post subject: Re:

Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:24 pm

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tcraft wrote:

fougner wrote:
Grumman Goose. I have lots of respect for the boys up in Hardy

I`ve head from old timers the goose is a sweetheart to fly, any comments?

I knew some ole timers who flew the Grumman Goose and Loved them,
Is there any Goose Jobs around anymore in Canada?

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nutbutter

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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:57 pm

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xsbank wrote:

I've got about 500 hrs in the 206 on floats and I liked flying in it

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, you just happen to to be in a vast minority with yours lol.

The buck 85 is a pretty twitchy airplane, and very unstable around the pitch and yaw axis's. Every time I tried to land in a gusty crosswind the hair on the back of my neck would stand on end. Also, at any approach speed under 80kts the ailerons were slow to respond to the point where I felt like I was using the force to pilot her. That said she would take off with the water up to the spreader bar, and when loaded and flown properly there wasn't a lake too short (lake, not pond). Doesn't sail particularly great. When flown within her limitations she's a pussy cat, an absolute joy to fly. Never ever ever get complacent sitting in that airplane though as there are plenty of guys with more than 10000hrs who its killed or have wrecked one, as posted above its very unforgiving to poor decisions, and poor handling.

Never flown a goose, but it's got a reputation too.

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pilotcirwin

Post subject: Re: Hardest float plane to fly??

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:49 am

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back to the post question...

What about these?

Beech 18 on floats

Cherokee on floats

Seabee

PBY

Marchetti

This one looks tricky....

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nutbutter

Post subject: Re: Hardest float plane to fly??

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:48 am

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what purpose would a cherokee on floats possibly have? lol

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Driving Rain

Post subject: Re: Hardest float plane to fly??

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:31 am

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nutbutter wrote:

what purpose would a cherokee on floats possibly have? lol

Err? Just a guess, but I would think to land and take-off from water.

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Liquid Charlie

Post subject: Re: Hardest float plane to fly??

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:30 pm

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what purpose would a cherokee on floats possibly have? lol

about the same as an aztec I guess

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beechnut

Post subject: Re: Hardest float plane to fly??

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:14 pm

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On wheels they are only good for one landing :rolleyes:

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nutbutter

Post subject: Re: Hardest float plane to fly??

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:02 pm

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Driving Rain wrote:

nutbutter wrote:

what purpose would a cherokee on floats possibly have? lol

Err? Just a guess, but I would think to land and take-off from water.

Good luck with that, I was thinking maybe the floats are used to convert it into a fancy boat that's difficult to dock.

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iflyforpie

Post subject: Re: Hardest float plane to fly??

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:40 pm

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Well, considering the Aztec can outhaul and out speed a piston Beaver while using less gas, why would the lightweight Cherokee that can outhaul and out speed any equivalently powered Cessna on land be so bad?

Except the low wing (like the 18), lack of pilot door (like lots of float planes, I'll beat a Super Cub owner from one side to the other in a Cherokee) and using a bit more water--which for lots of operations isn't a big deal--I think it is more pilot preferences than actual capabilities that come into play.

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Liquid Charlie

Post subject: Re: Hardest float plane to fly??

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:12 pm

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The only aztec I saw working on floats was at Slate Falls back in the day - didn't have it long - if memory serves me correctly engine temps were an issue -- little too tightly cowled for floats - and certainly the low wing was a far bigger issue than the Beech

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bmc

Post subject: Re: Hardest float plane to fly??

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:01 pm

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A buddy of mine operated a Nomad (Aztec) on the wet coast, shuttling passengers to YVR, quicker than a Beaver, enabling more flights per day for less cost.

I think it's a good looking machine on floats.

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nutbutter

Post subject: Re: Hardest float plane to fly??

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:19 am

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iflyforpie wrote:

I've flown lots of single engine pipers and most single engine cessna's, and they're not really any faster, nor do they haul more or burn any less than their high wing counterpart. Not trying to be argumentative or anything, I just don't see a point in having a low wing float plane. Besides if it were so much better and more cost effective, everyone would be doing it. People don't piss their money away in the ultra competitive aviation industry just for pilot preference, and float operators for the most part are not government subsidized.
I would like to see what "a bit more water" looks like when comparing a champion like a super cub against the econo-box cherokee please and thanks. LOL
Also piper did make a high wing, and it's awesome on floats. I think you already mentioned it in your post.

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Liquid Charlie

Post subject: Re: Hardest float plane to fly??

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 1:02 pm

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Hardest float plane you will ever fly is the one you will end up having the most respect for. -- sometimes hardest does not mean the most difficult but the one you have the hardest time hauling your ass out of bed to spend another day with that "old slut" :smt040

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DowneastGuy

Post subject: Re: Hardest float plane to fly??

Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:20 pm

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I saw an Apache on amphibs tied down in Bangor, Maine last month. Don't know what engines it had. Wondered how it worked on the water!

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aqua

Post subject: Re: Hardest float plane to fly??

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:47 pm

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This one is a handful; I found this extremely hard to fly. A shoulder yoke contols the ailerons, the wheel controls the rudder, foot operates a gas pedal. The linked article is from last year, we flew it again this year for the 100th anniversary of U.S. Naval Aviation.

http://www.the-leader.com/features/x191 ... ng?photo=1

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Dr. Mcillicuddy

Post subject: Re: Hardest float plane to fly??

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:29 am

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Gee whiz, 4 pages and nobody has mentiond tha worst of all. The immortal Jellybean,aka Husky a canadaien made mistake. Liquid charlie, did you not ever tryout Dave and Rexs one at the bottom of the bay in you adventures in red. LOL CHEERS DAVE

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Liquid Charlie

Post subject: Re: Hardest float plane to fly??

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:12 pm

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Never did try the Husky -- I guess my ass was glued to OBO too long -- haha

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HS-748 2A

Post subject: Re: Hardest float plane to fly??

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:04 pm

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Liquid Charlie wrote:

Never did try the Husky -- I guess my ass was glued to OBO too long -- haha

OBO the Norseman, Liquid Charlie?

If so, that was Grandad's airplane for a couple seasons in the early '50s.

'48

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Chuck Ellsworth

Post subject: Re: Hardest float plane to fly??

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:42 pm

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I don't know which was the most difficult to fly but the Norseman takes the prize for the most difficult to start hand cranking with the inertial starter. :mrgreen:

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Siddley Hawker

Post subject: Re: Hardest float plane to fly??

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:59 pm

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If so, that was Grandad's airplane for a couple seasons in the early '50s.

Is your mom gonna allow the model to sit in the china cabinet?

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robertsailor1

Post subject: Re: Hardest float plane to fly??

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:34 am

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I put on about 30 hours on the Norseman before I went back to the Otter. It was nice to say that I flew one because that's certainly what I wanted to do given their history but give me the Otter any day.

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Liquid Charlie

Post subject: Re: Hardest float plane to fly??

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:45 pm

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That's when it was likely at the MNR -- I'm not quite that old -- haha -- I flew it late 60's and early 70's out of RL --

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GoinNowhereFast

Post subject: Re: Hardest float plane to fly??

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:39 pm

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The 206 with a turbo and Horton STOL is a real performer. It's pretty easy to fly too. As for hardest, the Norsemen has to be up there.

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DHC5

Post subject: Re: Hardest float plane to fly??

Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:54 pm

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This one for sure on those "smaller" lakes

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Rudder Bug

Post subject: Re: Hardest float plane to fly??

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:28 am

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Wonderful shots DHC5, thanks!

That would be a hit in the Pics from a Swamper thread. viewtopic.php?f=25&t=31028

RB

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