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4hrstovegas
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:20 pm 
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I'd like to know why a recent thread about an Albertan 703/704 company was pulled off the Employment Forum (I won't get specific, but the Mods will know which one)? I did not see any names mentioned negatively, and nothing libelous or slanderous was written. There was certainly nothing that couldn't have been editted for privacy. Isn't this a place where prospective employees can learn about working conditions before making a big decision? Since when do companies decide what's to be published, when it's your readers who are taking the time to volunteer information and opinions on your site?

By repeatedly pulling threads about certain companies, you not only deny people free information, you undermine the integrity of Avcanada, and you preclude the possibility of people coming forward to say something positive. I, for one, worked at that particular company, and for the most part they always treated me well. Others, perhaps not so much. But shouldn't we be able to write and read without censorship where nothing slanderous is being written?


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Cap'n Tripps
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BIG +1! :smt038

Thanks for posting.


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I feel like I missed something...?


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Here we go again/still.

Please read the forum rules. They state pretty clearly that ALL topics and posts are subject to review, removal for discussion (amongst us), or deletion. That is part of the terms of use for the site, you signed up and agreed to them. This is no different.

For the 400th time, there are NO companies receiving preferential treatment, full stop. When a topic is complained about it is reviewed by us, and we will determine when/if it goes back.

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who really reads terms and conditions to anything.. really...


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Sulako
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Who reads them? The mods certainly do. If you don't want to read them, that's up to you - just don't complain when the mods follow them, and don't be surprised if you end up with a strike or three as a result of you not following them.


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YATexpress
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Cap'n Tripps wrote:
BIG +1! :smt038

Thanks for posting.


Why can't people just shut their mouths. Half the information is a load of BS, its mainly angry ex employees who have nothing better to do. Grow up, obviously things did not work out for you: but let other people decide that for themselves.


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Cap'n Tripps
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YATexpress wrote:
Cap'n Tripps wrote:
BIG +1! :smt038

Thanks for posting.


Why can't people just shut their mouths. Half the information is a load of BS, its mainly angry ex employees who have nothing better to do. Grow up, obviously things did not work out for you: but let other people decide that for themselves.


1) The reason we have this forum is to convey information. To shut our mouths would obviously impede this free flow of information that these forums allow us to do.
2) If half the info is BS, that means the other half is valid, and I don't see many supporters of the company in question.
3) The best information about a particular company comes from past and present employees.
4) To let people decide for themselves without the benefit of the experience of those who have gone before them, is to allow people to make the same mistake others have made by going there in the first place. Especially after those views and opinions were asked for. I agree that at the end of the day, one has to decide for him/herself, but that is what due diligence is all about.

As far as the forum rules go, I have read the rules, and probably, a complaint was made and the posts pulled for review and deletion. I respect Joe's and the moderators right to do this, but that doesn't mean the views and opinions of those that posted were wrong, invalid or in any way a contravention of the forum rules.

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ahramin
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Let me explain it this way, if you want to be able to post anything you like without censorship, move to a country that doesn't have censorship.

Neither the moderators nor the owner of this board care anything for any of the companies in question. Remember those aviation prep books written by that guy whose name rhymes with "no brain"? I'd love to explain to everyone thinking of buying one that he's an idiot and his books are full of errors. It's perfectly legal for me to say that as I can prove it. But that doesn't mean it isn't really expensive to defend myself against the allegation that it isn't true, and he might have more money than me which in the eyes of the law counts for a lot.

The only reason threads get reviewed or removed is because the country we choose to live in has lots of laws and a wonderfully expensive process to deal with them.

If you want to live in a country with free speech, laws that are in sync with modern society and technology (or a lack thereof), and a justice system that is ... well ... just, then move there.


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For all you nay sayers out there, Swanberg is growing company and its a fantastic place to work. I dont where people got there information but morale is high and it was low due to negative past employees that are no longer here.


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4hrstovegas
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Wow. The point that I'm making is that some threads that are FAR worse are allowed to evolve, while some threads about certain places seem to largely disappear. You guys seem just a little touchy about this... why? Threatening people with bans and telling them to move to another country if they don't like the level of freedom here is not only unprofessional, it's humourously self-important. I like the freedom afforded in Canada just fine... your freedom to delete what you like under your terms and conditions and respond sarcastically, and my freedom to question it.

As for YAT, who courageously created a new profile just to spew a few lines of insults, thank you for taking all that time. LOL, and things are working out just fine, thank you. :lol:

Edited to say I'm done with this thread.... carry on.


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Wow. The point that I'm making is that some threads that are FAR worse are allowed to evolve, while some threads about certain places seem to largely disappear. You guys seem just a little touchy about this... why?
The obvious answer is that certain places read this forum and complain about posts that are mildly insulting towards them, and certain places are blissfully ignorant of this little corner of aviation muck and couldn't care less who says what about them here.


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YATexpress
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4hrstovegas wrote:
Wow. The point that I'm making is that some threads that are FAR worse are allowed to evolve, while some threads about certain places seem to largely disappear. You guys seem just a little touchy about this... why? Threatening people with bans and telling them to move to another country if they don't like the level of freedom here is not only unprofessional, it's humourously self-important. I like the freedom afforded in Canada just fine... your freedom to delete what you like under your terms and conditions and respond sarcastically, and my freedom to question it.

As for YAT, who courageously created a new profile just to spew a few lines of insults, thank you for taking all that time. LOL, and things are working out just fine, thank you. :lol:

Edited to say I'm done with this thread.... carry on.


Lines of insult, I don't think so. If you read the previous thread that was removed you would of noticed salderous lines pointed at this certain company. Whatever happened in the past was the past, if morale was low so be it. I can tell you this after the bad apples where weeded out, company morale is quite high. If you dont have anything nice to say so be it.


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4hrstovegas
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You should try to read through those tears of anger

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I, for one, worked at that particular company, and for the most part they always treated me well.


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4hrstovegas wrote:
Wow. The point that I'm making is that some threads that are FAR worse are allowed to evolve, while some threads about certain places seem to largely disappear. You guys seem just a little touchy about this... why? Threatening people with bans and telling them to move to another country if they don't like the level of freedom here is not only unprofessional, it's humourously self-important. I like the freedom afforded in Canada just fine... your freedom to delete what you like under your terms and conditions and respond sarcastically, and my freedom to question it.

As for YAT, who courageously created a new profile just to spew a few lines of insults, thank you for taking all that time. LOL, and things are working out just fine, thank you. :lol:

Edited to say I'm done with this thread.... carry on.

Painting us all with the same brush? Listen, the forum rules are not that long. It will take you about a minute to go through. Simply put and as mentioned, if a thread is complained about or for that matter, considered a threat to the owner of this website, we or he will move it into the mod area for review. Most make it back but some will not. In a perfect world we would not have to have mods in here, we would all play nice, no threats, no vulgarity, bigotry.....ect, but that is not the case. I have mentioned this before but I feel it bears repeating, this site is public, anyone can be here, kids, press, co-workers, spouses...ect. Why some continue to post comments in here that I'm pretty sure they would not say in public if their identity was known is beyond me.


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4hrstovegas
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Apologies, bandaid, I did not mean to generalise. :smt008 Thank you for a polite reponse.


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YATexpress
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At the end of the day no company is perfect, we all know that. My point is that if people bash and complain about a company when it's trying to change it does not help the cause. END


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You're very welcome. I hope you take a moment or two to consider what I have said. I would like to believe we are all adults and would behave as such. Consider for a moment if this was your site. I personally do not get any pleasure from handing out warnings. I am a non confrontational person by nature, but the forum rules are there, they are not too complex and should be easy enough to follow. When they are not or we get a complaint we have to interject and make a decision to delete, warn, suspend or we may just let it stand.


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Cap'n Tripps
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YATexpress wrote:
At the end of the day no company is perfect, we all know that. My point is that if people bash and complain about a company when it's trying to change it does not help the cause. END



That certain company, has been 'trying' to change for at least 4 years. Someone asked about conditions, and he/she was told. Perhaps bluntly. However, there was no slander or libel. There was also no support (other than from yourself, and only in this limited instance) for the same company, which should also say something.

Where there's smoke...etc.

The point here is not to bash or complain, it's to warn that perhaps career ambitions can best be served elsewhere.

Just by the by, I am also very happy with where I ended up.


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it's to warn that perhaps career ambitions can best be served elsewhere.

this is true.


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Absolutely scopiton. YAT, I doubt you and I ever worked together. I'm sure you may be trying (albeit angrily) to defend something you believe in... good on you. I respect you for at least coming out here instead of hiding the place behind deleted posts. If the product is so good, why don't you promote it instead of trying to cover it up and insulting ex-employees? Take everybody out for wings and get them to spread the word. If the people are half as good as when I was there, and I'm sure they are, the staff and the comradery is the best thing that place has going for it. Truce.


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There are some 200 new threads a day on all the forums. Enerally, I read the ones I am interested in. Then I see what threads are reported. Then I remove them fro
public view to sort out the perceived problem. Most of the time they are simple. Complex ones take time. Some are either mind boggling in their stupidity arrogance or rage. Occasionally a thread results in a threatened suit.

I think I know the thread you mean. I didn't pull it. But if I had seen a report on it. I would have.
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just curious wrote:
There are some 200 new threads a day on all the forums. Enerally, I read the ones I am interested in. Then I see what threads are reported. Then I remove them fro
public view to sort out the perceived problem. Most of the time they are simple. Complex ones take time. Some are either mind boggling in their stupidity arrogance or rage. Occasionally a thread results in a threatened suit.

I think I know the thread you mean. I didn't pull it. But if I had seen a report on it. I would have.
JC


Then why don't the moderators approve all new postings. It may be tedious work, but to me you guys got nothing better to do anyways than to police this site. That way No lawsuits and No Complaints!! Have at 'er


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Beach 200 wrote:
just curious wrote:
There are some 200 new threads a day on all the forums. Enerally, I read the ones I am interested in. Then I see what threads are reported. Then I remove them fro
public view to sort out the perceived problem. Most of the time they are simple. Complex ones take time. Some are either mind boggling in their stupidity arrogance or rage. Occasionally a thread results in a threatened suit.

I think I know the thread you mean. I didn't pull it. But if I had seen a report on it. I would have.
JC


Then why don't the moderators approve all new postings. It may be tedious work, but to me you guys got nothing better to do anyways than to police this site. That way No lawsuits and No Complaints!! Have at 'er

Oh great! I had a mouth full of coffee when I read this one :roll:


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Sulako
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Then why don't the moderators approve all new postings. It may be tedious work, but to me you guys got nothing better to do anyways than to police this site. That way No lawsuits and No Complaints!! Have at 'er



We approve all new posters, but approving all new postings would be an insane amount of work - keep in mind that we are volunteers and we have obligations outside these forums.


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