Looting Teens in Barrie Kill Good Samaritan

This forum is for non aviation related topics, political debate, random thoughts, and everything else that just doesn't seem to fit in the normal forums. ALL FORUM RULES STILL APPLY.

Moderators: lilfssister, North Shore, sky's the limit, sepia, Sulako

justwork
Rank 6
Rank 6
Posts: 482
Joined: Thu Jan 06, 2011 7:59 am
Location: East Coast

Re: Looting Teens in Barrie Kill Good Samaritan

Post by justwork »

It's okay, WHEN they get 500 hours of community service and 2 years probation... Dexter will get them.

Image
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
Beefitarian
Top Poster
Top Poster
Posts: 6610
Joined: Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:53 am
Location: A couple of meters away from others.

Post by Beefitarian »

Well debate it all you want. We won't be seeing the death penalty in Canada any time soon.

I'm not against the death penalty but I don't trust our current Canadian system to administer it.
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
Colonel Sanders
Top Poster
Top Poster
Posts: 7512
Joined: Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:17 pm
Location: Over Macho Grande

Re: Looting Teens in Barrie Kill Good Samaritan

Post by Colonel Sanders »

There really is no difference to society whether or not we have the death penalty, if the offender is never released, except for the cost of housing the prisoner - around $120,000 per year. If the average offender lives to 75 and is incarcerated at 40, then that's around $4,000,000 that it saves the taxpayer if the death penalty is used. That's nice but is hardly going to break the bank.

Whether or not future offenders would act differently if there is a death penalty, is a question that I do not know the answer to. Given how merciful it is implented these days, one has to wonder as to it's true deterrent affect. If one was an Old Testament-sorta person, one could ponder implenting a death penalty that was identical to a particular murder's victims.

However, given the gross mistakes we have seen from police, prosecutors, judges and juries and the number of innocent people who have been falsely convicted of murder in Canada, one has to wonder how good an idea the death penalty really is.

What percentage of innocent executions is acceptable? Ten percent? Twenty? One? Zero? Again, that's another question I don't know the answer to.
---------- ADS -----------
 
Rockie
Top Poster
Top Poster
Posts: 8433
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 7:10 am

Re: Looting Teens in Barrie Kill Good Samaritan

Post by Rockie »

Colonel Sanders wrote:What percentage of innocent executions is acceptable? Ten percent? Twenty? One? Zero? Again, that's another question I don't know the answer to.
I do. Zero.

It's very difficult to apologize to a dead person and bring them back to life again.
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
cdnpilot77
Rank 10
Rank 10
Posts: 2467
Joined: Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:24 pm

Re: Looting Teens in Barrie Kill Good Samaritan

Post by cdnpilot77 »

Rockie wrote:
Colonel Sanders wrote:What percentage of innocent executions is acceptable? Ten percent? Twenty? One? Zero? Again, that's another question I don't know the answer to.
I do. Zero.

It's very difficult to apologize to a dead person and bring them back to life again.

Its just as difficult to apologize to a families that have lost their children in unimaginable ways to mindless criminals like Bernardo. You think that guy deserved to breath one minute after his conviction?
---------- ADS -----------
 
Rockie
Top Poster
Top Poster
Posts: 8433
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 7:10 am

Re: Looting Teens in Barrie Kill Good Samaritan

Post by Rockie »

cdnpilot77 wrote:Its just as difficult to apologize to a families that have lost their children in unimaginable ways to mindless criminals like Bernardo. You think that guy deserved to breath one minute after his conviction?
No I do not. But that's an emotional reaction which usually makes for disastrous public policy. For every convicted killer there is a long trail of horrifically effected people, and that includes the wrongly convicted ones. Far better to keep them all alive and locked up forever than make even one mistake.

Bernardo isn't going anywhere and neither did Olsen. Although in Olsen's case a court order sealing everything he said or did post-conviction would have saved his victim's families a lot of anguish over the years.
---------- ADS -----------
 
Spokes
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1057
Joined: Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:22 pm
Location: Toronto, On

Re: Looting Teens in Barrie Kill Good Samaritan

Post by Spokes »

It seems like there is some kind of unstated assumption here that those people wrongful convicted of a crime and subject to a death penalty somehow or another had it coming anyway- so it is acceptable. With regards to a death penalty, just imagine one day that the police pick you up for a crime that you are then found guilty for, because some error someplace points to you. Then imagine they tell you you will get the death penalty. You can't really say that it will not happen because you are not a murderer. It can and I'm sure still does happen regularly.

As despicable as some of the murderers mentioned above are, I do not think their crime(s) should impose a death sentence some innocent someplace. This is exactly what having a death sentence in place will lead to. Even one error leading to a death sentence is one to many. Just my opinion.
---------- ADS -----------
 
Wahunga!
justwork
Rank 6
Rank 6
Posts: 482
Joined: Thu Jan 06, 2011 7:59 am
Location: East Coast

Re: Looting Teens in Barrie Kill Good Samaritan

Post by justwork »

IMO the only advantage of the death penalty is that it costs tax payers less money, but if it was ever implemented I'm sure our taxes wouldn't change. I think that killing someone who murdered another is to easy. I would rather see them caged up, occasionally made the girl when the boys decide to run a train, and just genuinely miserable for the rest of their natural life. That might be just me though.
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
Nark
Rank 10
Rank 10
Posts: 2967
Joined: Thu Feb 19, 2004 6:59 pm
Location: LA

Re: Looting Teens in Barrie Kill Good Samaritan

Post by Nark »

It costs more to put someone to death than it does to hold them for 20 years.

There are also Penalties of death for treason and desertion during a time of war. Not all requires the condemned to have murdered.
---------- ADS -----------
 
Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum
Semper Fidelis
“De inimico non loquaris male, sed cogites"-
Do not wish death for your enemy, plan it.
User avatar
cdnpilot77
Rank 10
Rank 10
Posts: 2467
Joined: Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:24 pm

Re: Looting Teens in Barrie Kill Good Samaritan

Post by cdnpilot77 »

Nark wrote:It costs more to put someone to death than it does to hold them for 20 years.

There are also Penalties of death for treason and desertion during a time of war. Not all requires the condemned to have murdered.
Nark, not sure if you were referring to canada or the US but I seem to remember hearing that death for treason was still on the books in canada, stand to be corrected though.
---------- ADS -----------
 
grimey
Rank 10
Rank 10
Posts: 2979
Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2005 1:01 am
Location: somewhere drunk

Re: Looting Teens in Barrie Kill Good Samaritan

Post by grimey »

cdnpilot77 wrote:
Nark wrote:It costs more to put someone to death than it does to hold them for 20 years.

There are also Penalties of death for treason and desertion during a time of war. Not all requires the condemned to have murdered.
Nark, not sure if you were referring to canada or the US but I seem to remember hearing that death for treason was still on the books in canada, stand to be corrected though.
no, it's been abolished.
Punishment for high treason

47. (1) Every one who commits high treason is guilty of an indictable offence and shall be sentenced to imprisonment for life.

Punishment for treason

(2) Every one who commits treason is guilty of an indictable offence and liable

(a) to be sentenced to imprisonment for life if he is guilty of an offence under paragraph 46(2)(a), (c) or (d);

(b) to be sentenced to imprisonment for life if he is guilty of an offence under paragraph 46(2)(b) or (e) committed while a state of war exists between Canada and another country; or

(c) to be sentenced to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years if he is guilty of an offence under paragraph 46(2)(b) or (e) committed while no state of war exists between Canada and another country.

Corroboration

(3) No person shall be convicted of high treason or treason on the evidence of only one witness, unless the evidence of that witness is corroborated in a material particular by evidence that implicates the accused.

Minimum punishment

(4) For the purposes of Part XXIII, the sentence of imprisonment for life prescribed by subsection (1) is a minimum punishment.

R.S., c. C-34, s. 47;
1974-75-76, c. 105, s. 2.
---------- ADS -----------
 
no sig because apparently quoting people in context is offensive to them.
User avatar
cdnpilot77
Rank 10
Rank 10
Posts: 2467
Joined: Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:24 pm

Re: Looting Teens in Barrie Kill Good Samaritan

Post by cdnpilot77 »

I have been corrected
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
Colonel Sanders
Top Poster
Top Poster
Posts: 7512
Joined: Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:17 pm
Location: Over Macho Grande

Re: Looting Teens in Barrie Kill Good Samaritan

Post by Colonel Sanders »

When was the last time anyone was prosecuted for treason or sedition?! Wouldn't the entire Bloc Quebecois be guilty of that, if they weren't all at home collecting federal pensions now?
---------- ADS -----------
 
niss
Top Poster
Top Poster
Posts: 6745
Joined: Sat Jun 25, 2005 8:54 pm
Location: I'm a CPL trapped in a PPL's Body.
Contact:

Re: Looting Teens in Barrie Kill Good Samaritan

Post by niss »

Colonel Sanders wrote:When was the last time anyone was prosecuted for treason or sedition?! Wouldn't the entire Bloc Quebecois be guilty of that, if they weren't all at home collecting federal pensions now?
I don't think that wanting to democratically dissolve confederation is Treason or Sedition, besides, if that is the case you should also wag you finger at many an Albertan, and Maritimer.
---------- ADS -----------
 
She’s built like a Steakhouse, but she handles like a Bistro.

Let's kick the tires, and light the fires.... SHIT! FIRE! EMERGENCY CHECKLIST!
grimey
Rank 10
Rank 10
Posts: 2979
Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2005 1:01 am
Location: somewhere drunk

Re: Looting Teens in Barrie Kill Good Samaritan

Post by grimey »

IIRC, there were isolated cases of Quebec politicians approaching french members of the Canadian Forces to join a new Quebec army if the referendum succeeded, but that's about it. Nobody was prosecuted. I'll look at canlii later
---------- ADS -----------
 
no sig because apparently quoting people in context is offensive to them.
mcrit
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1973
Joined: Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:01 pm

Re: Looting Teens in Barrie Kill Good Samaritan

Post by mcrit »

Colonel Sanders wrote: ....if that is the case you should also wag you finger at many an Albertan, and Maritimer.
You must truely have your head up your ass to make that comparison
---------- ADS -----------
 
____________________________________
I'm just two girls short of a threesome.
niss
Top Poster
Top Poster
Posts: 6745
Joined: Sat Jun 25, 2005 8:54 pm
Location: I'm a CPL trapped in a PPL's Body.
Contact:

Re: Looting Teens in Barrie Kill Good Samaritan

Post by niss »

There aren't Albertans that wanted to separate? Or Newfoundlanders?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secessio ... _of_Canada
---------- ADS -----------
 
She’s built like a Steakhouse, but she handles like a Bistro.

Let's kick the tires, and light the fires.... SHIT! FIRE! EMERGENCY CHECKLIST!
winds_in_flight_wtf
Rank 5
Rank 5
Posts: 372
Joined: Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:35 pm

Re: Looting Teens in Barrie Kill Good Samaritan

Post by winds_in_flight_wtf »

Colonel Sanders wrote:When was the last time anyone was prosecuted for treason or sedition?! Wouldn't the entire Bloc Quebecois be guilty of that, if they weren't all at home collecting federal pensions now?
Louis Riel I believe.
After Confederation, a revision of the statutes reduced the number of offences to only three general offences that were punishable by death: murder, rape, and treason. The only case since Confederation in which the offender received the death penalty for an offence other than murder was the Métis leader, Louis Riel. He was convicted of high treason for his participation in the North-West Rebellion. In 1868,
Capital punishment in Canada dates back to 1749. Before Canada eliminated the death penalty for murder on July 14, 1976, 1,481 people were sentenced to death, with 710 executed. Of those executed, 697 were men and 13 were women. The only method used in Canada for capital punishment in nonmilitary contexts was hanging. The last execution in Canada was on December 11, 1962, at Toronto's Don Jail.
During the First World War, 25 Canadian soldiers were executed. Most were shot for service offences such as desertion and cowardice, but two executions were for murder. For details of these see List of Canadian soldiers executed during World War I.
One Canadian soldier, Pte. Harold Pringle, was executed during the Second World War for murder.
However, I will always agree with the following. If only.......

In 1961, legislation was introduced to reclassify murder into capital or non-capital offences. A capital murder involved a planned or deliberate murder, murder during violent crimes, or the murder of a police officer or prison guard. Only capital murder carried the death sentence.
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
Colonel Sanders
Top Poster
Top Poster
Posts: 7512
Joined: Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:17 pm
Location: Over Macho Grande

Re: Looting Teens in Barrie Kill Good Samaritan

Post by Colonel Sanders »

According to the wiki:
Riel sought to preserve Métis rights and culture as their homelands in the Northwest came progressively under the Canadian sphere of influence.
And for this, Louis Riel was hanged for treason in Canada. If Riel committed treason, the Bloc Quebecois is far worse. No charges laid for treason yet? Wonder why.
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
Guido
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1377
Joined: Sun Feb 15, 2004 10:52 pm
Location: Over there.

Re: Looting Teens in Barrie Kill Good Samaritan

Post by Guido »

Colonel Sanders wrote:According to the wiki:
Riel sought to preserve Métis rights and culture as their homelands in the Northwest came progressively under the Canadian sphere of influence.
And for this, Louis Riel was hanged for treason in Canada. If Riel committed treason, the Bloc Quebecois is far worse. No charges laid for treason yet? Wonder why.
Yes, indeed... Riel was such a traitor that they now have schools and provincial holidays which are named for him. :roll:
---------- ADS -----------
 
grimey
Rank 10
Rank 10
Posts: 2979
Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2005 1:01 am
Location: somewhere drunk

Re: Looting Teens in Barrie Kill Good Samaritan

Post by grimey »

Colonel Sanders wrote:According to the wiki:
Riel sought to preserve Métis rights and culture as their homelands in the Northwest came progressively under the Canadian sphere of influence.
And for this, Louis Riel was hanged for treason in Canada. If Riel committed treason, the Bloc Quebecois is far worse. No charges laid for treason yet? Wonder why.
Uh, no. The Bloc never waged war against Canada. The FLQ was not the Bloc, regardless of where their sympathies may have lied.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North-West_Rebellion
---------- ADS -----------
 
no sig because apparently quoting people in context is offensive to them.
Locked

Return to “The Water Cooler”