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There was a double fatality in a light piston single not far
from me recently, and the temperature on the ground
was +1C, with a dewpoint of +1C. Hmmm. If you look
at the following chart:

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That's definitely in the "serious icing at cruise power"
region!

Keeping in mind that the airframe manufacturer's POH/AFM
is golden, and supercedes everthing else ....

Without a carb heat temperature gauge (uncommon in
light singles) I don't use partial carb heat - I use it as a binary
switch, either off or on. Whenever the RPM is below the
green arc, as a rule of thumb I use full carb heat.

Now, different airframes and different engines will plumb
the pipes differently. For example, the Continental O-200
(in Cessna 150) and O-470 (in Cessna 182) hang the carburetor
out in the breeze, and these engines are notorious for building
carburetor ice.

Lycoming boxer engines, on the other hand, like the O-320 or
O-360 or O-540, bolt the carburetor to the bottom of the engine,
where there engine oil sits. So as soon as the oil warms up, the
Lyc is generally much more resistant to the formation of carb ice.
But it won't make as much power. You don't get something for nothing.

Note that a Lyc is more likely to form ice when the oil is cold, which
is often the first takeoff of the day. It gets worse if the engine is idling,
because ice can form around the nearly-closed throttle.

What I do, on a cool day with no dewpoint spread (see chart above)
is position the engine on the runway for takeoff, run it up to at least
1500 RPM, apply carb heat and lean the mixture. Wait 10 seconds,
then carb heat and mixture in, release the brakes and full throttle.

This simple procedure burns off any carb ice which has formed as
you have been taxiing out.


Anyways, back to the theory. The reason a carburetor builds ice
is because it is actually a little refrigerator. I know kids these days
don't have much experience with carburetors - nearly all cars are
fuel-injected these days - but the venturi in the carburetor uses the
bernoulli principle, just like a wing, to create a low pressure area to
suck the fuel out of the carburetor float bowl.

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This low pressure area gets cold, because you have the same
amount of energy in a greater volume of space. Ever let the air
out of a tire and had the valve get cold on your hand? If you put
your hand on the outside of a carburetor of a running engine, it
would feel cold to the touch. You might see condensation and
even ice on the outside of it, depending upon the conditions.

All certified aircraft must have some means of dealing with carburetor
ice. I suppose you could electrically heat the carburetor, but that
would take a lot of amperage and there would be questions about
the reliability of the source of electricity.

Instead, what nearly every airframe manufacturer does is wrap
some sheet metal around the hot exhaust, and route it to the
carburetor, which has a flapper valve at it's intake, to select
either cold air (normal) or hot air (carb heat on).

Running carb heat bypasses the normal filter, so you should be
careful about using it on the ground, depending upon the runway
and taxiway surface. That sounds like a bad thing, and it is on
the ground, but in the air it's a good thing, because another form
of icing you can experience is impact icing, where the air filter or
intake on the cowling can plug up with ice. This blocks the air
from getting even into the carburetor, and is another time that
carburetor heat comes in handy.

I should mention that even fuel-injected systems can suffer
from intake impact icing, and are legally required on certified
aircraft to have some kind of alternate air input. It can either
be automatically selected (via some kind of spring/magnet
mechanism) or there might be a manual alternate air selection
in the cockpit that you as the pilot might need to select someday.

Now onto one of the most important considerations about the
use of carb heat: when you select carb heat on, immediately
lean the mixture for max RPM. No one does this, and no FTU
checklist will tell you to do this - in a descent, they want you
to jam the mixture full rich - but that's not what you want.

Full rich mixture cools the engine - that's why you use it for
takeoff - and that's not what you want, when you select
carb heat. You want the engine to make heat, so that the
air going past the exhaust is warmed up. To do that, you
need to lean the mixture. Remember, when you selected
carb heat, that automatically enriched the mixture all on it's
own, because the hot air is less dense and has less oxygen
in it, but the same volume of air is flowing, so the same
mass of fuel is added to it by the carburetor. Less oxygen,
same fuel is richer mixture, which is colder.

In a descent where the engine isn't making much power,
the last thing you want, if you need carb heat, is additionally
enrichening the mixture by jamming the mixture control full
in.

Every time you select carb heat, immediately move your hand
to the mixture and pull it out for max RPM. Or, if you have
a constant speed prop, max airspeed. I don't need an EGT to
lean any normally-aspirated engine - I just lean to best power,
which with a fixed-pitch prop is max RPM, or with a constant
speed prop is max airspeed. Best power is 50 or 100F rich
of peak, and that's a good place to be.

Yesterday I was flying a very weird old piston twin with geared
Lycomings and no EGT's, and that's exactly how I leaned it -
for max airspeed:

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The best way to lean an engine, IMHO, is via fuel flow. For
example, on the C421B I just set 120 pounds per hour per
side with my normal cruise MP/RPM and I know that's going
to work out ok when I look at the EGT's.

One last sup-topic - what the heck is a "pressure carburetor"?
If you look at the icing probability chart above, even a pressure
carb can ice up, if the conditions are severe enough.

A pressure carburetor (somewhat rare) is a very early simple
form of fuel injection. It uses a fuel pump to feed fuel under
pressure to the carburetor, and in fact functions during zero
and negative G, because it has no float bowl/needle valve
arrangement, which requires positive G to function correctly.

It is entirely possible that you will fly your entire career and
never encounter a pressure carburetor, but I was flying with
two of them yesterday (on the GO-480 Lycs) and there's also
one on the 450hp Stearman that I fly.

Anyways. Executive summary:

Any time the carb heat goes on, always lean the mixture
for max RPM for maximum carb heat effectiveness.

It also gives you best power, for whatever particular engine
power setting (MP/RPM) that you have at the time, which could
come in really handy if you want to climb, or even avoid descending.
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I don't think people consider it a simple fact that the role of the carburetor is to atomise the liquid gasoline into an air/fuel vapor mix that burns super fast.

To put it simply, the gasoline is evaporating and that requires heat. Therefore the inside of said carburetor gets much colder than the outside air temperature as that heat is used. Like an older freezer when warm moist air enters at lower RPMs some of the moisture freezes to the side of the carburetor. If the air is only a little warm like 10C or less and very moist it happens fast so it make more ice. This eventually chokes the opening and the engine quits.

Solution, turn on the "carb heat" and the air is heated by being routed by the outside of the muffler and warms up the carburetor. Ice melts, TA da!

Finally something I do the same as you.
sanders wrote: I don't use partial carb heat - I use it as a binary
switch, either off or on. Whenever the RPM is below the
green arc, as a rule of thumb I use full carb heat.
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100% correct, Beef! The evaporation of the gasoline requires lots of
heat, just like boiling water on your oven (phase change - physical
chemistry).
Finally something I do the same as you
Now, now, I'm sure that 99% of the time we would agree on stuff :wink:

Actually, none of the aircraft in my hangar are carbureted so I have
to be careful when I'm flying a carbureted aircraft to use the carb heat!
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Great posts! As an aside, would an anti-ice additive in avgas help alleviate the problem? Ie gimme 20 gallons of 100ll with prist? It only costs a few cents a gallon to add it to jet fuel...
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Thanks CS for that great description of carb ice.

And what a beautiful "very weird old piston twin". Gorgeous.
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re: Prist in 100LL ... IIRC Prist does two things ... it's anti-fungal
to avoid stuff growing in Jet-A (seriously) and it has alcohol in it,
which is missible in all proportions (mixes) with any water that may
be in the fuel, to avoid it freezing and plugging up the tiny passages
in the Fuel Control Unit (think expensive brains) of a turbine engine.

I have actually seen crap growing in 100LL - and it's hard to get rid
of - but I would be hesitant to add any kind of alcohol (and there
are many variants) to 100LL because of what the alcohol might
do to the seals in the fuel system.

That said, I've seen a (now long-dead, old age) CFI pour automotive
gas-line antifreeze (alcohol) in a 172 gas tank. Not something I
would recommend! Most people are paranoid about alcohol in
their mogas - you can do tests to see if it's there - and run the
higher-octane stuff to avoid it. The lower octane mogas is up to
10% alcohol, which incidentally means that your gas lines in
your car will never freeze up with water in cold wx, they way
they used to, years ago.

what a beautiful "very weird old piston twin". Gorgeous.
Yeah, when Bob told me he had a Twin Bonanza (which has
absolutely nothing to do with the single-engine Bonanza) I
cringed.

Nearly every Twin Bonanza and Queenaire out there has been
junked over the decades, because it doesn't make financial
sense to spend the money on the aircraft, to keep it airworthy.

The ones that are hanging on, are often in dreadful and dangerous
shape, and that's what I thought this one would be, but I
was wrong.

Anyways, this Twin Bonanza used to belong to a now-dead
billionaire, whom I presume must have loved the aircraft,
because he spent $$$ on new paint, new interior, new panel,
new radios, overhauled engines and NEW 3-bladed props
and then sold it to Bill for a tiny fraction of what he spent on it.

It's gorgeous, and sounds simply amazing as it flies overhead
with those GO-480 engines. The exhaust tubes exit into an
augmenter which runs the length of the engine nacelle so
the engines have an incredible loud bass sound as the
aircraft flies overhead.

It was made back in the 50's when people liked engines, and
their sounds. I need to get someone with a very good
microphone and tape a low pass for youtube - the C421
with it's GTSIO-520 engines sounds nice and rumbly, but
the T-bone sounds amazing.

It's got a throwover control column, and no brakes on
the right side. In fact, the right side rudder pedals are
in the center, which is kind of weird. Bob and I tried
tossing the throwover control column back and forth
in flight (not sure if that's entirely kosher) but then
decided it was less work to actually switch pilots.

It rockets right along, too. At low altitudes, it and
the C421B are very evenly matched, which I found
very surprising! The t-bone has a thick wing and
is a pussycat to take off and land, even with no
vortex generators. I must admit that I like it very
much! It's kind of fun to fly around, because no one
has ever seen one before, and ATC has never heard
of the type (D50A) before.
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Very good post CS. I will add a few points

1) When the Carb air is on hot the engine is, as you pointed out, getting unfiltered air. Many FTU take this fact to absurd extremes and freak out if the student leaves the carb heat on for any length of time. The reality is unless you are sitting on a dusty dirt patch you are not going to hurt the engine. If you are taxing on clean pavement then there is basically no problem leaving the carb heat on all the time. I raise this because a West Coast winter is flying in the "max probability of carb ice regime " pretty much every day. If it is one of those + 4 C, 100 % humidity days I usually leave the carb heat on hot with the engine at 1000 RPM when holding short waiting for takeoff clearance and switch to cold just before going to full power. IMO on those nasty cold humid days, it is better to make sure you have an ice free carb over the remote possibility of harming the engine by feeding it unfiltered air. A little known fact is some engines don't even have intake air filters. My Nanchang, for example, only has a coarse metal grill over the intake to the carb.

2) The static RPM takeoff check, that is verifying the engine is making static RPM as soon as you have pushed the throttle all the way in, is your final defense to ensure you are not taking off with a iced up carb and IMO should be part of every takeoff drill.

3) Another FTU-ism is the "carb heat"and "mixture check " check on the runup. This often seems to involve the carb heat knob pulled on for 11 milliseconds, pushed back in followed by the yanking the mixture knob full out, the poor engine giving a big strangled fart and then mashing the mixture knob back in. What often seem to get missed is the fact that the "carb heat check" is really two checks. The first is "does the carb heat work". This is of course, indicated by a drop in RPM (for fixed pitched props) and the second is "has any carb ice formed". It takes a few seconds for the heat to do its work, so I get students to wait fifteen or so seconds before re checking the RPM to see if it has risen, thereby indicating that ice was there and it has been cleared. I then get the student to, with the carb heat still full on, gradually lean the mixture. The RPM should first rise as the excessively rich mixture created by the less dense hot air is reduced and then fall as the mixture gets so lean power drops off. This is a good check of carburetor health and the extra time with the carb heat on will pretty much guarantee you have no ice.

4) Carb ice can be a sneaky little bugger. My Grumman AA1B has a Lycoming O 235. Over the last 10 years I have only experienced carb ice once. It was cruising at 6500 feet on a mid September day with a high broken stato- Cu layer and an OAT of about 9 deg. The engine starting running a bit rough and was very slowly loosing RPM. After playing with the mixture with no improvement I thought I had a real problem but decided to give it a shot of heat which very quickly fixed the problem. This is
in an airplane where I have flown in many really nasty cold humid days and never seen a lick of ice, even after long periods of idle a carb ice check always came up negative. So the moral of the story is even if you are flying an airplane that never ices and the conditions don't at all seem favorable for icing, always consider icing.

5) There is an over generalization that Continentals, always ice up and Lycomings never do. While broadly speaking Continentals do seem more prone to icing the 2 worst airplanes I have ever flown were the Pa 23 Apache and the BN2 islander. Both would make ice if you gave them a wet look and both have Lycoming engines.
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A little known fact is some engines don't even have intake air filters. My Nanchang, for example, only has a coarse metal grill over the intake to the carb
Pitts is exactly the same - no air filter. Being fuel injected and
certified, it has manual alternate air, never used it, I doubt I ever
will.

I know some guys with ultralights - no carb heat. If they get
carb ice, they go down, and incredibly most of them don't care.

I know a guy who tried to rig up electrical carb de-ice on his,
but from a wattage standpoint I remain dubious. Not many
spare amps on those little engines, and it's only 12V, and
since watts is volts times amps, even 20 amps would be
only 260 watts total or 130 watts per carburetor which I
suppose is better than nothing, but it's not exactly going
to cook it.
Both would make ice if you gave them a wet look
and both have Lycoming engines
It's worth mentioning that the same engine can
behave differently in different airframes, depending
upon how it is plumbed, where the muffler is located,
etc.
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Electric carb heat could work but it would take some smarts to figure out how to implement it. Works for the back window in my wife's car and Avalanche pretty good. I would be more worried that it could get the carb too warm and boil the float bowl causing a vapour lock.

I agree that we likely agree somewhat often but I'm not flying enough fun ways like you. Of even just enough. :(
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Colonel Sanders wrote:
Bob and I tried tossing the throwover control column back and forth
in flight (not sure if that's entirely kosher) but then
decided it was less work to actually switch pilots.
How did you manage that? If there were only two pilots on board, that's not kosher since one has to always be strapped in at the controls. I thought you were sick of wasting your afternoons at the Tribunal!
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one (pilot) has to always be strapped in at the controls
Is there actually a CAR that requires that, for private ops?
I thought you were sick of wasting your afternoons at the Tribunal!
Heh. Me too! Speaking of that, yesterday a particularly nasty
AME tried to play a very dirty trick on me. I picked up an aircraft
that had been sold, and the AME was extremely pissed that he
didn't get more income on the aircraft before it left. Hey man,
I'm not the buyer, I'm just the delivery pilot.

When I arrived to pick up the aircraft, I looked at the journey log,
and he had put in a back-dated entry, snagging the aircraft. That
entry wasn't there when I inspected the aircraft a couple days
previously. I'm sure he had a copy of the journey log that he was
going to send to Enforcement after I left, with a hysterical story of
me not caring about airworthiness. You know, the usual nonsense.

What he didn't plan on, was me bringing an AME that had
a whole lot more licences than he did, who rectified the snag and
signed it off in the journey log.

So much for the AME's dirty trick. He can send all the photocopies
of the journey log to Enforcement that he wants. The irony is
that he was the one that made a false entry in the Journey log,
a very serious contravention of the CARs.

However, unlike the slimy AME, I don't rat other people out to
Enforcement, regardless.

I spent a while, thinking about why on earth that AME would be
so pissed at me. wtf do I know about maintenance? I'm just
a programmer that flies a biplane sometimes.

Anyways, it came back to me - he did some fabric work on some
tailfeathers, and sent an apprentice up to reinstall them. And he
signed them off without ever inspecting the apprentice's work,
because the tensions of the wires were all whacky, floppy and loose,
and instead of clevis and cotter pins for the forks, he used AN bolts
with full-size fiber nuts that weren't in lock. Frankly, my two youngest
daughters could have done a better job of installing the tailfeathers.

Anyways, I would never dream of calling Enforcement like
that slimy AME, regardless. I just suggested that maybe
he could re-check the tensions and maybe consider installing
some clevis pins, which he did.

It beats me why some people hate me so passionately. I don't
live in their world. In the immortal words of William Shatner on
SNL to the trekkies:

"Get a life".
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Yes, I recall a couple of instructors being violated under this section a few years ago when they did a flight together and landed in different seats than those they took off in. Merely as general info and to increase our general knowledge of the CARs, I offer the following quote:

Use of Crew Member Safety Belts

605.27 (1) Subject to subsection (2), the crew members on an aircraft shall be seated at their stations with their safety belts fastened

(a) during take-off and landing;

(b) at any time that the pilot-in-command directs; and

(c) in the case of crew members who are flight attendants, at any time that the in-charge flight attendant so directs pursuant to paragraph 605.25(4)(b).

(2) Where the pilot-in-command directs that safety belts be fastened by illuminating the safety belt sign, a crew member is not required to comply with paragraph (1)(b)

(a) during movement of the aircraft on the surface or during flight, if the crew member is performing duties relating to the safety of the aircraft or of the passengers on board;

(b) where the aircraft is experiencing light turbulence, if the crew member is a flight attendant and is performing duties relating to the passengers on board; or

(c) if the crew member is occupying a crew rest facility during cruise flight and the restraint system for that facility is properly adjusted and securely fastened.

(3) The pilot-in-command shall ensure that at least one pilot is seated at the flight controls with safety belt fastened during flight time.



The wonderful thing I've found about CARs is that they love to throw a "Zinger" in as the last entry on a subject. It either states a significant change from or addition to what the rest of the section addresses or it includes a term like "Reasonable" or "Hazardous" that opens the whole section to interpretation.

Fortunately in this case, having a third pilot on board allowed the change to happen legally.
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Thanks, Blakey! I did not know about that regulation!
This website is a fountain of knowledge - at least, for me.
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In a descent where the engine isn't making much power, the last thing you want, if you need carb heat, is additionally enrichening the mixture by jamming the mixture control full in.
Would having the carb heat on during the descent be enough to prevent a risk of having a too lean mixture once you reach lower altitudes?
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At the risk of over-generalizing, it is nearly impossible to
have "too lean a mixture" in descent, with a normally
aspirated engine.

Even if you pull the mixture all the way out to cut-off
(not recommended) the prop is NOT going to stop in
any normal descent - it will continue to windmill.

The temps are so cool in the descent that you cannot
possibly hurt it by over-leaning. Similar to leaning on
the ground - you can't hurt it. In fact, some heat in
the descent is generally a very good thing, esp during
winter, and to avoid shock-cooling. I know of a Mooney
that has all 4 cylinders cracked, which is a notable
achievement with a Lycoming. Hmm. Betcha they
used full rich mixture for every descent, just like they
were taught.

In a descent, you can pull the mixture all the way out,
and the prop will windmill. You can turn the fuel selector
off, and the prop will windmill. You can turn both mags
off, and the prop will windmill.

It is far more difficult that you think it might be, to actually
stop the prop. You have to slow the airplane down right
to the stall for quite a while, to get the windmilling prop
to stop. This is not something you would do by accident.

It has happened to a few friends of mine doing hammerhead
aerobatics with their idle set too low, but I'm guessing
that's probably not what you're doing.

Lean for max rpm, on the ground and in the air - in cruise,
and in descent. Even in climb, you only want the engine
cooling of full rich mixture under certain low density altitudes.
You will not detonate with 100LL with an 8:1 compression
ratio, no matter how hard you try.
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