The coming election....

Kosiw · Post by **Kosiw** » Thu May 12, 2005 10:00 pm

The bloc are only running candidates in Quebec, they aren't exactly a national party, so I left them out....

SD, never said the Conservative's would be any better, but keeping the status quo in Ottawa ain't right in my books....

costermonger · Post by **costermonger** » Thu May 12, 2005 10:07 pm

Kosiw wrote:Sure seems like those in the 416 and 905 ridings like to keep their heads buried in the sand as the recent poles suggest liberal support is still strong there.....if your voting liberal, it means to me you approve of theft, fraud, corruption....makes me wonder what kind of values you have ??

That'd be because a lot of people there who really, really, really don't like Stephen Harper. See, we Ontarians have experience with politicians who make all sorts of negative statements about the opposition and such when they're the official opposition, but are the woefully incompetant when it comes to actually governing.

Personally, I haven't decided who I'm going to vote for. We've got the Liberals, who've been in power way too long, and have all the problems that are associated with being in power for over a decade, and could really use some time out of government.

We've got the Conservatives, who to people in Ontario still look like the Reform party - and that's got a lot to do with the candidates the Alliance was putting up in Ontario ridings - the candidate in my riding in particular last time around said something about how homosexuality was evil. There is absolutely no way whatsoever that I'll put an X next to the name of somebody who says shiat like that. The biggest threat to the Conservative party is itself - the whackos who came over from the Alliance who have no business whatsoever running this country. There's not a lot of them, but they're vocal, and they seem to get themselves noticed around elections. This is enough to keep a lot of people in Ontario from voting blue.

We've got the NDP who mean well but seemingly can't use a calculator, or understand that Canadians need to keep at least a bit of the money they make at work.

And then there's the Greens.. Well, I urge everybody who voted for them in this poll to go out and read their platform. The only party more out there than Green is the Natural Law Party. Those people are.. Weird.

From where I stand, there's a real lack of a good alternative. I don't want Canada to go along the next time the US invades a small middle eastern country, and I don't want any of that American style Christian Fundamentalism to work it's way into the Canadian government. I also don't want money to keep dissapearing into business that are friendly to whatever party may be in power.

The BEST thing for Canadians would be if the Liberals said "Fine, it's yours!" and forced the Conservatives to form a minority government, save us the quarter of a billion dollars that the election will cost, because unless the Conservatives win a majority, we'll just be going to the polls again in about a year. The Conservatives don't stand a chance of running a more effective minority parliament than the one we've got now, which is really saying something. The Bloc will work with them for the moment, but as soon as they don't stand to gain anything it'll be the Conservatives vs. NDP, BQ, Liberals. That's not going to work, folks.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Thu May 12, 2005 10:32 pm

costermonger wrote: and that's got a lot to do with the candidates the Alliance was putting up in Ontario ridings - the candidate in my riding in particular last time around said something about how homosexuality was evil. There is absolutely no way whatsoever that I'll put an X next to the name of somebody who says shiat like that. The biggest threat to the Conservative party is itself - the whackos who came over from the Alliance who have no business whatsoever running this country. .

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... hub=Canada

Liberal cabinet member from Alberta has told a journalist that he's worried that gay marriage could lead to those in incestous and polygamous relationships also being allowed to marry.

And the biggest problem with the country is that it's elected by idiots in Ontario and they're just stupid and think the Cons are the "ultimate evil" when they're too lazy/dumb to think, hey the liberals are just as bad...

costermonger · Post by **costermonger** » Thu May 12, 2005 11:54 pm

cyyz

I wouldn't vote for Kilgour either. You really don't need to make an effort to prove there are idiots in both parties, I figured that out a long time ago.

And cut with the Ontario bashing, just because somebody disagrees with you does not make them an idiot. The way this Democracy thing works means everybody's vote is equal, and as long as we're a democracy Ontario will be key to winning an election.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Fri May 13, 2005 12:11 am

costermonger wrote:The way this Democracy thing works means everybody... is equal, and as long as we're a democracy Ontario will be key to winning an election.

But Ontario contributes the most and gets the least...

Why toss your vote away???

just another pilot · Post by **just another pilot** » Fri May 13, 2005 12:23 am

Whoa...Ontario contributes the most?

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Fri May 13, 2005 12:28 am

just another pilot wrote:Whoa...Ontario contributes the most?

Along with alberta.. Yes, it gives the(2nd) mosts and recieves the least....

BEFORE Pauls bribe money, which was just the surplus that he was "saving for a rainy day" which was just over-taxation, and the clown in ontario will fall for it, oh, bad cons destroying Pauls plan on "giving" 5 billion to Ontario.. LOL....

costermonger · Post by **costermonger** » Fri May 13, 2005 12:35 am

Hey man, I've got no shortage of beefs with the Liberals and the way they do things, but they're not the only party I'm weary of. I disagree with something in every party's platform, I've just got to figure out who I disagree with least.

Nightshiftzombie · Post by **Nightshiftzombie** » Fri May 13, 2005 12:48 am

Living on the east coast I've got no choice but to vote liberal. See during the run up to the last campain, Stephen Harper came down for a visit. It seems he just had to tell us how lazy we all are. I guess someone didn't explain the term National politics to him.

As a foot note the tories did win a few seats here last time around. I can only assume that the lazy people mostly live in those ridings.

Kelly Harmsworth · Post by **Kelly Harmsworth** » Fri May 13, 2005 2:34 am

cyyz wrote:
just another pilot wrote:Whoa...Ontario contributes the most?
Along with alberta.. Yes, it gives the(2nd) mosts and recieves the least....

BEFORE Pauls bribe money, which was just the surplus that he was "saving for a rainy day" which was just over-taxation, and the clown in ontario will fall for it, oh, bad cons destroying Pauls plan on "giving" 5 billion to Ontario.. LOL....

LOL ya recieving 5 3/4 billion dollars is Fu** all to buy your votes. Liberal puppets. Don't even atempt to compare Alberta with Ontario. Ontario is the Liberal Vacume. I wish Ontario would seperate instead of Quebec. Quebec has more in common with the west than people realize.

Kelly Harmsworth · Post by **Kelly Harmsworth** » Fri May 13, 2005 2:49 am

The Liberals have shit on democracy by striping the opposition of their days in the house. This forces the Opposition to have to vote against the budget in order to defeat the government. Just watch, in the coming months the liberals will talk of how the conservatives voted against health care, and education, not at all mentioning that the vote is in fact against the confidance of the house. Givin this the Liberals will likely win a majority this time, however I think it will be a slim majority. Christ I hope Canadians arn't that stupid. Time will tell. Long live the United Provinces of North America (BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Quebec)

just another pilot · Post by **just another pilot** » Fri May 13, 2005 8:31 am

cyyz/kh. that is what I was getting at. The LIEberals have already tried to spin this with the VE ceremonies. They blamed the opposition for their not going. Accountable for your actions - ever here of that concept? It pisses me off that the LIEberals (among other things) used the Holland VE situation as a vehicle to attack the opposition. Oh, and the NDP? they showed their colors didn't they?

costermonger · Post by **costermonger** » Fri May 13, 2005 12:08 pm

just another pilot wrote:The LIEberals have already tried to spin this with the VE ceremonies. They blamed the opposition for their not going.

Explain to me how the Liberals blamed their opposition for not going, when in fact, all 4 leaders were there?

DA900 · Post by **DA900** » Fri May 13, 2005 12:25 pm

They arrived a day late.

APELDOORN, Netherlands (CP) - Prime Minister Paul Martin made a late dash to Victory in Europe celebrations Monday only to be greeted by wilted flowers, drooping Canadian flags and sodden bunting.

Martin and the three other federal party leaders arrived almost 24 hours after some 200,000 Dutch citizens choked this picturesque city's winding streets to celebrate the 60th anniversary of their liberation from Nazi occupation.

... · Post by **...** » Fri May 13, 2005 12:53 pm

Globe & Mail May 13th 2005

"Opposition Leader Stephen Harper vowed to continue to fight on Monday to have a confidence vote in the government held earlier than the May 19 date offered by the Prime Minister."

Here is a picture of a capable leader....

I love whats going on YOW these days...just because he wears a PC party symbol on his shirt...doesn't mean he can run a country.

DA900 · Post by **DA900** » Fri May 13, 2005 12:59 pm

As opposed to this...

... · Post by **...** » Fri May 13, 2005 2:26 pm

DA900 wrote:As opposed to this...

wha...? Can't a guy take a nap between drunken fiestas?

this guy does..yer buddy

DA900 · Post by **DA900** » Fri May 13, 2005 3:11 pm

Viva King Ralph!!!

just another pilot · Post by **just another pilot** » Fri May 13, 2005 3:21 pm

Costermonger. That was after the fact.
Originally, they cancelled because they (the liberals) stated that the conservatives would topple the government if they left vacant seats. Why not seek a truce then?

dxprguy · Post by **dxprguy** » Fri May 13, 2005 3:27 pm

It never ceases to amaze me how these these threads draw out those who can somehow rationalize your support for a political party that have been sodomizing us all like a freight train?!

Had your chance last year, but hey give old Paul a chance after all... the Gomery commission has only scraped the filthy surface. Didn't think you could be an MP if you were a criminal..? Guess it doesn't count if your criminal activity took place while sitting in the house.

I could teach a retard that stealing is bad.. speaks well for the voting public. How can any of you feel that by giving the Liberals one more day as leadership of this country is a good thing? Think about it, what kind of message does that send? Our government and the fact I should need to write this is an embarassment.

just another pilot · Post by **just another pilot** » Fri May 13, 2005 3:35 pm

I haven't heard the whole story yet but Martin may be trying to buy the Maritimes with 100 million in daycare...f*** sombody send in the Jedi.

bizjet_mania · Post by **bizjet_mania** » Fri May 13, 2005 3:43 pm

Ok gentlemen, pick your criminal!

costermonger · Post by **costermonger** » Fri May 13, 2005 5:22 pm

just another pilot wrote:Costermonger. That was after the fact.
Originally, they cancelled because they (the liberals) stated that the conservatives would topple the government if they left vacant seats. Why not seek a truce then?

Exactly, and I think there's a decent chance Mr. Harper would've done exactly what the Liberals feared, if they hadn't come to some sort of agreement. Now, my point was simply that it's not fair to blame one party for being idiots when the idiocy is quite obviously pretty much universal in the Parliament. The Conservatives could've said "We'll send an equal number of people" so that neither side would have an abnormal disadvantage while everybody went over to Europe for VE day, taking the politicizing out of a very important anniversary, but they didn't. Neither side was able to step away from the political aspect of it long enough to honour our fallen soldiers and our past victories and put their goddamned bickering aside for one fucking day, so it's not fair to only call the Liberals assholes for it.

Siddley Hawker · Post by **Siddley Hawker** » Fri May 13, 2005 7:11 pm

Re that VE day thing. If either Martin or Harper had any balls, either would have looked the other square in the eye and said "fcuk you, I'm going, and I dare you to call a confidence vote." They could have showed the entire country that they were above bullshit partisan politics and really cared about the guys who liberated Holland. As it was they were a day late and a dollar short.
I live in the only province in this country that until now has had subsidized day care. It used to cost the parents five dollars a day per kid. It costs the taxpayer thirty one dollars a day to operate it. Last year, the bill was over a billion dollars. If anybody thinks that the Health Care is expensive, wait'll the bills for day care start rolling in. A hundred million will be like pissing in the ocean.

costermonger · Post by **costermonger** » Fri May 13, 2005 7:19 pm

Siddley Hawker wrote:Re that VE day thing. If either Martin or Harper had any balls, either would have looked the other square in the eye and said "fcuk you, I'm going, and I dare you to call a confidence vote." They could have showed the entire country that they were above bullshit partisan politics and really cared about the guys who liberated Holland. As it was they were a day late and a dollar short.

Well said.

The coming election....

Which party will you vote for in the next federal election