First YYC based C-705

Rebel · Post by **Rebel** » Fri May 13, 2005 5:36 pm

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/836858/L/

twinpratts · Post by **twinpratts** » Fri May 13, 2005 7:36 pm

Man... that's a big one!

iflynkd · Post by **iflynkd** » Fri May 13, 2005 9:36 pm

A quick question; for bidding and flying, is the 705 a different fleet from the RJ200, or is everyone x-qualified? Thanks.

Ryan Coke · Post by **Ryan Coke** » Fri May 13, 2005 10:47 pm

And what routes is it going to be doing?

Nice looking machine, I look forward to getting a look at it sometime.

Panama Jack · Post by **Panama Jack** » Fri May 13, 2005 11:57 pm

iflynkd wrote:A quick question; for bidding and flying, is the 705 a different fleet from the RJ200, or is everyone x-qualified? Thanks.

According to the Transport Canada website, the 705's (CL65D) are a different type from the RJ200 (CL65) (therefore different type rating). Don't know if Jazz trains pilots on both.

Transport Canada Aeroplane Type Ratings

bentheredunthat · Post by **bentheredunthat** » Sat May 14, 2005 4:45 am

Actually, the CRJ series 200/700/900 have always been the same type rating (with the appropriate differences course). TC originally wanted to reflect that you took a diiference course by issuing the CL65D rating.
Within the last few months, TC has changed their mind and revoked the CL65D rating. Re-issued everyone's license, deleting CL65D. The only rating now for TC is CL65, for all CRJ aircraft.
Jazz CRJ aircrew will be flying both types.

Panama Jack · Post by **Panama Jack** » Sat May 14, 2005 8:05 am

Strange that they did it in the first place, and just as strange that they revoked it. For example, I read that an EA32 type rating covers the Airbus A320, 321 and 319. Yet there are separate type ratings for LR23/24/25/28/29 and C500/501/550/551/560 where often only ground differences training is required. The US FAA groups these types as one-- I believe LR-JET and CE-500

Somewhat surprised then that TC has not updated their website.

Rebel · Post by **Rebel** » Sat May 14, 2005 8:37 am

YYC-IAH,YYC-YVR,YYC-YWG,YYZ-IAH,YYZ-EWR

jetpilot · Post by **jetpilot** » Sat May 14, 2005 11:22 am

TC is a strange place!

Look at the Boeing 737 , they have 3 type B73A(B737-100 and 200)
B73B( B737-3/4/5) and B73C( B737-6/7/8) about the -900 i dont know what they will do!

But The Boeing 767 and Boeing 757 is the same type rating!

This is so stupid! in the USA all 737 are the same type rating with a diffrence course.

jet

CD · Post by CD » Sat May 14, 2005 12:52 pm

NOTE: This Chart is provided as a guide only. In the event of a discrepancy between this list and the appropriate Aircraft Type Approval, Aircraft Type Certificate, Flight Permit, Aircraft Flight Manual or Pilots' Operating Handbook then the latter shall take precedence.

Standard 421 - Appendix A - Aircraft Type Designators

Adanac · Post by **Adanac** » Sat May 14, 2005 3:42 pm

So now that Jazz has a little bigger metal here.. is A/C going to start basing some aircraft in YYC? Or do they already? Any AC guys/gals out there that live and work out YYC care to comment?

Thanks,

Adanac

Pratt · Post by **Pratt** » Sat May 14, 2005 7:36 pm

Jazz is part if the ACE family, therefore AC is now effectively basing these larger a/c in YYC. Why would AC mainline look to base other larger a/c in YYC in competition to their own company?

Or am I missing the point here?

Adanac · Post by **Adanac** » Sat May 14, 2005 8:01 pm

I was looking at it along the lines of supplementing the aircraft in CYYC not to compete with it.

Adanac

Hun IN the SUN · Post by **Hun IN the SUN** » Sat May 14, 2005 10:08 pm

NICE airplane

weird angle though, almost looks like a 900 there.

EI-EIO · Post by **EI-EIO** » Sun May 15, 2005 10:29 am

HITS

I thought it *is* a 900 but configed for 75 seats? Can someone outline the differences between 700/705/900?

CD · Post by CD » Sun May 15, 2005 11:13 am

EI-EIO wrote:Can someone outline the differences between 700/705/900?

Posted on that "other" forum...

boestar Posted: May 13 2005, 06:08 AM

701 is the first 705 in production. Notice the different winglet design...Longer and more swept back. The wing span is also about 5 ft wider than the 900. Mesa Airlines is the only 900 operator and Jazz is the only 705 operator on the books. The 900LR will share many design features with the 705.

Great to finally see a picture. I will be on Vacation when it arrives but is will be going west anyway.

B

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JZZdxer Posted: May 13 2005, 11:55 AM

The wing span is also about 5 ft wider than the 900

...it's also 6" longer than the 900...size matters!

bentheredunthat · Post by **bentheredunthat** » Mon May 16, 2005 10:56 am

The new production standard 900 will have the new winglets as the base design. As stated earlier, the 705 is just another type designate for this new improved performance enhanced version 900 configured for 75 seats (scope clause stuff)

700s do not have the new bigger winglets, shorter in length

The Jazz tailnumber may be 701 for their first 705, but be careful because the the 700 has a series designate of 701 for the american 700 operators...........confused yet??

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Mon May 16, 2005 1:50 pm

But The Boeing 767 and Boeing 757 is the same type rating!

Actually they are not. Although the airplanes are virtually identical except for weight and range, you have to take a differences course for the second rating. Bizare really.

jetpilot · Post by **jetpilot** » Mon May 16, 2005 2:44 pm

Jaques

The difference training for B757 B767 is only 4 hours!

TC live in the past, is time for change....

jet

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Mon May 16, 2005 4:59 pm

I know Jetpilot, but to get my 757 endorsement, I had to do it. You could probably have it done in an hour but it is still a seperate endorsement.

On my licence I have EA32 which covers the A319 A320 and 321 but for Boeing I have B757 and B767 listed as two seperate endorsements. So technically, according to Transports stupid rules, I have an endorsement on an airplane I have never set foot in.

Hun IN the SUN · Post by **Hun IN the SUN** » Mon May 16, 2005 6:05 pm

Jacques

just curious as to why you have a 757 rating, in a fleet with no 57`s

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Mon May 16, 2005 6:30 pm

The company was offering them so I took the groundschool. At the time, I was thinking about a leave of absence overseas so that rating may have been handy to have.

Panama Jack · Post by **Panama Jack** » Tue May 17, 2005 7:39 am

Hun in the Sun,

Because Jacque Strappe is being smart. Never turn down a free rating. Never know when it might help you-- and for a $30 application fee, who wouldn't?

CD · Post by CD » Tue May 17, 2005 7:48 am

Bombardier CRJ Improvements Approved by Canadian, U.S. Regulatory Authorities Ahead of Schedule

TORONTO--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 16, 2005--Bombardier Aerospace announced today that Transport Canada (TC) and the U. S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) have approved four Bombardier CRJ Series enhancement programs ahead of schedule. European approval is expected in the near future.

The regulatory agencies granted approvals for the:

- Bombardier CRJ900 Enhanced Performance Package (EPP)
- Bombardier CRJ900 Long Range (LR) variant
- Bombardier CRJ700 Series 705
- Bombardier CRJ700 upgraded engine

The new Bombardier CRJ900 Enhanced Performance Package (EPP) provides improved take-off and landing distances by combining the optimization of wing leading-edge devices and a redesigned winglet that results in an improved lift/drag ratio and reduced approach speeds. The winglet contributes to lower fuel consumption.

The CRJ900 LR variant provides an increased payload and range over the extended range (ER) model and can carry a full passenger load more than 2,270 miles (3,660 km).

The Bombardier CRJ700 Series 705, the first of which will be delivered to Air Canada Jazz in late May 2005 has a maximum capacity of 75 passenger seats and is powered by two General Electric CF34-8C5 engines. The CRJ700 Series 705 also incorporates the Enhanced Performance Package (EPP).

The Bombardier CRJ700 engine program upgrades the current General Electric CF34-8C1 engine to a derated variant of the CF34-8C5 engine used on the CRJ900, and is designated the CF34-8C5B1. The CF34-8C5B1 provides CRJ700 operators with up to 20 per cent reduction in maintenance costs over a 15-year period. In addition, this upgrade allows operators to carry a single spare engine type to support a mixed CRJ700/CRJ900 fleet, simplifying fleet management and significantly reducing spares investment.

Transport Canada also formally acknowledged that the Bombardier CRJ700 Series 705, the CRJ900 with the EPP and the CRJ900 LR will be added to the same pilot type rating that is already shared by the existing Bombardier CRJ100/200, CRJ700, and CRJ900.

"These approvals extend the capabilities of the Bombardier CRJ family of aircraft, providing even more operational flexibility to operators," said Rod Williams, Vice-president, Aircraft Programs, Bombardier Regional Aircraft. "In addition, we have expanded revenue-generating capability while lowering operating costs."

About Bombardier

A world-leading manufacturer of innovative transportation solutions, from regional aircraft and business jets to rail transportation equipment, Bombardier Inc. is a global corporation headquartered in Canada. Its revenues for the fiscal year ended Jan. 31, 2005, were $15.8 billion US and its shares are traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange (BBD). News and information are available at http://www.bombardier.com.

Bombardier, CRJ, CRJ200, CRJ700 and CRJ 900 are trademarks of Bombardier Inc. or its subsidiaries.

First YYC based C-705

First YYC based C-705

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