Hero Pilots!

[Go Juice]

Everybody knows who I'm referring to. I'm talking about the heroes who will take a trip after you have cancelled because of bad weather. I'm talking about the ones who will take a trip knowing there is something wrong with the airplane but don't think it's necessary to snag the plane because it would ground it until it's fixed therefore making the bosses unhappy!

Today is a good example of Hero Pilots. In some part of our country today was forecasted. As far as I know, NO AIRPLANE is certified for flight into freezing rain and severe Icing. If you feel you are a hero and decidre to go, You are willingly violating your C of A. ( I could be wrong on this one ). Still the point remains, Before you went, did you ask your paying passenger if they were aware and willing to take that unnecessary risk?

There is another tread about " What's wrong with aviation". You can blame the operators all you want. I know some deserve it. You can debate all day about SEIFR vs TEIFR. But to me, Hero Pilots are one of the things that are very wrong with aviation today.

One day, we will start a tread about how your luck ran out and you took the lives of your pax with you.

I hope we wont!

Please stay safe!!

[Meatservo]

You said you were going to give an example of a hero pilot, but then you didn't. Did you see someone flying in freezing rain today?

What about someone flying OVER freezing rain? Or doing a short flight in an area where freezing rain was forecasted but then failed to materialise? You're not supposed to fly IFR into areas of forecasted heavy icing, but what about VFR, where you can see and avoid precipitation and turn around before entering it?

Is it possible you saw someone who knows more about weather than you, and made an educated decision about the weather that was different than yours? Did you ask this individual later why he made that decision, or did you decide to just huff and puff in disgust on AvCanada?

Did someone get a trip done when you didn't? Did you feel bad afterwards and decide to put on a pedant's hat and vent here about it? Did you witness someone breaking the law? Did someone just roll a plane into a ball all covered in ice? Has someone died lately who has been proven during the investigation to be "one of those guys"?

Details, man! Details! Otherwise you run the risk of being one of those pedantic armchair quarterbacks who tilt at windmills in order to draw attention to themselves.

[Cat Driver]

Stand by meatservo, our resident avionics tech. will clear it all up by pointing out this posters agenda.

[Go Juice]

I wasn't talking about a specific flight or person. But when there is ACTUAL freezing rain and you see ppl take off, no matter how educated you are or smarter you are compared to me, it makes me sonder that's all.

It's just something that i noticed today and i tought it would make a good parallel to the other tread i mention in the earlier post.

[Meatservo]

REAL freezing rain, or just the speckly little light rime you sometimes get with moisture coming off a body of water for instance, which you can climb out of in ten seconds and fly above for the rest of the flight? Or the irritating stuff that fall out of a thin stratus layer on a very cold day, and might ice up a Cessna's windshield after twenty minutes or so? Or are you talking about honest-to-goodness freezing RAIN like the kind that comes out of a warm front and covers everything with clear ice? Because I routinely fly in the first kind of stuff. Helicopter pilots consider that to be "freezing rain" because they can't tolerate anything sticking at all, Beaver pilots call it "light freezing drizzle" and it pisses them off because the defroster doesn't work very well and they don't have a heated windshield, and Twin Otter pilots call it the reason they did the trip instead of the Beaver or the Caravan, and airliners call it "light rime on approach"

It's just that "freezing rain" (REAL freezing rain) isn't the kind of thing that you can really live through flying in for very long, so I'm wondering if the flights you saw were maybe not pushing as hard as you're making it sound.

[Hozer]

I find as long as I put in my mouth guard, put on my jock and fasten my cape around my neck firmly I never have to worry about the wx! The pax just look at me weird though.

[captain_dc]

Rule #1 Don't step on Superman's cape.

[.Ben]

not sure what Location the OP was at when he observed this but in North Bay ON here all day there was on and off "Real Freezing rain" i even had some icing problems on my coat as i walked to the car

not to mention conditions were LIFR all day.

[ScudRunner]

This is a bull shit thread , it has nothing to do with me!

[B_Boomer_54]

This site as dropped to a new low.

With all due respect, I have witnessed more dysfunctional, ass backwards, retarded threads where the know it all's were all hyped up over something they witnessed. You criticize everyone else for not taking you seriously, and here you are. Details sure are important, but I don't think a single CU would merit a thread like this , do you? Did you have a look at some of the reported WX in Ontario today? So why not take the author seriously , shut up with the ridiculous posts, and investigate further?

unbelievable

[yycflyguy]

This site as dropped to a new low.

With all due respect, I have witnessed more dysfunctional, ass backwards, retarded threads where the know it all's were all hyped up over something they witnessed. You criticize everyone else for not taking you seriously, and here you are. Details sure are important, but I don't think a single CU would merit a thread like this , do you? Did you have a look at some of the reported WX in Ontario today? So why not take the author seriously , shut up with the ridiculous posts, and investigate further?

unbelievable

It's hard to investigate the facts when people already know it all.

[Clodhopper]

Without further information, my first thought would be: Was it reported as only light freezing rain?

If so, then there are appropriate holdover times given on all the charts in the Transport Canada-issued HOT Charts. So, did they de- and anti-ice and depart within their holdover time limit for light freezing rain? If so, good for him/her utilizing due dilligence and minimizing risk.

However; not enough information given by the OP.

[Jastapilot]

This site as dropped to a new low.

With all due respect, I have witnessed more dysfunctional, ass backwards, retarded threads where the know it all's were all hyped up over something they witnessed. You criticize everyone else for not taking you seriously, and here you are. Details sure are important, but I don't think a single CU would merit a thread like this , do you? Did you have a look at some of the reported WX in Ontario today? So why not take the author seriously , shut up with the ridiculous posts, and investigate further?

unbelievable

Then I guess you weren't skulking around this forum 12 or even 15 years ago... things have improved greatly from the old days!

[Hornblower]

The OP does not understand what "certified for flight in icing" is, nor a violation, nor a C of A, ... doesn't bode well for his overall understanding of his chosen profession.

[Joe Blow Schmo]

I thought this thread was about the great landing I did yesterday.