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Lastly, PC. You mentioned the 100k figure. Maybe an organization of oners of sorts would lower that number for cost sharing...Or, if it is for private use, how about an experimental C of A.?..I really dont know much about this stuff so that might be way out in left field, but it certainly beats trying to convince a tribunal 180 days is 90!
Kule, that was a figure that was tossed around TC back when that AN-2 file was going on. I have no idea what the cost would be, but it was expensive. I only recall that the airframe & also the components had to be certified by TC engineers before the a/c was eligible for a type certificate. That process was done on a cost-recovery basis; i.e., the applicant provided the engineering data & the TC engineers reviewed it all &, if they deemed it safe & satisfactory, blessed it with a type certificate.

I believe the AN-2's registered in Canada operate under a Special or Restricted C of A, and as such there were restrictions on the operation (SOBs & not for comm purposes), among other things.

The TC AME/Engineer types could answer your question better than I. For those with an interest, check with them.
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Where is SP-TWA now? What is her present situation?
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Hasn't flown in years. Sitting in the weeds, sinking into the mud, just the way Transport wanted it.

It hasn't committed the horrible sin of aviation in Canada for quite some time, and may not ever again, which I suppose is a victory for some kinds of people.

Just to spite the anti-aviation bureaucrats, it's tempting to drive down (remember, I can't ever fly in Atlantic Region) and take it apart, truck it back to Eastern Ontario, re-do the wings with Ceconite and import it and fly it with a C-reg. You could probably hear the howls in BC from the weirdo Inspectors in the Atlantic Region, if it flew again. It was a really personal crusade for them.

Why not? It's not like Transport is going to start liking me any less than they already do :roll:
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Colonel Sanders wrote: Just to spite the anti-aviation bureaucrats, it's tempting to drive down (remember, I can't ever fly in Atlantic Region) and take it apart, truck it back to Eastern Ontario, re-do the wings with Ceconite and import it and fly it with a C-reg. You could probably hear the howls in BC from the weirdo Inspectors in the Atlantic Region, if it flew again. It was a really personal crusade for them.
I'd come along if you need a helping hand carrying all that heavy metal. I would really love to see an Antonov 2 flying in Canada.
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MIQ wrote:
Colonel Sanders wrote: Just to spite the anti-aviation bureaucrats, it's tempting to drive down (remember, I can't ever fly in Atlantic Region) and take it apart, truck it back to Eastern Ontario, re-do the wings with Ceconite and import it and fly it with a C-reg. You could probably hear the howls in BC from the weirdo Inspectors in the Atlantic Region, if it flew again. It was a really personal crusade for them.
I'd come along if you need a helping hand carrying all that heavy metal. I would really love to see an Antonov 2 flying in Canada.
Let me know when guys....I'd like to join you, i live in NB near CYSJ, lets fly the :bear:

Actually, NATO calls it a Colt but i couldn't find a horse.... :rolleyes:
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Where is it sinking in the mud? Who owns it at present? Is it for sale? Where should I go for more information on SP-TWA? It's a shame such an interesting aircraft should be slowly eroding into nothing. I live in NS near CCW3 and would like to go check out the Colt. I've never seen one in real life.
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It is a real sin that a/c hasn't been flying. I remember watching videos of it and it was a really pretty aircraft too, white with rainbows on it. Go get it guys!
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OK guys, how about this.

Post a thread looking for partners.. Sell 50% of the plane to 100 people (1/2 of 1% each) for $200 apiece. There should be enough of us who can enjoy this.. The other 50% can be taken by the folks that are going to go and salvage it , and bring it up to flying condition, which I think might end up to be more than if they just bought one and imported it. But I digress.
Put everyone's name and address on the registration.
If there is a problem with TC down the road, they will have to deal with over 100 individuals, and 100 individuals become a force to deal with.

The only downside of this is having people have enough faith in the major partners not to do anything illegal and get them in trouble collectively, so maybe a management agreement by a general partner and the minority owners would be appropriate.

PC mentioned there was a vehicle for getting a limited C of A, so if no one has the bright idea to play silly bugger with the folks at TC and use it strictly as approved, there should be no problem.

BTW..If the plane was made in Poland, there are some bilateral agreements that should be explored.
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If I buy a few shares can I get type checked on it? Where's it going to be based?
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Beefitarian wrote:If I buy a few shares can I get type checked on it? Where's it going to be based?
I think we should register the aircraft in France, yes i said France and she could be based in French Territory, not far from Canada....I refer to the islands of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_ ... d_Miquelon

Apparently she could be operated in our Country, the "True North Strong and Free" (no irony intended) for a period of 90 days and then has to leave Canada.....again for a certain period.

Well Newfyland ain't far across the water from Saint Pierre :mrgreen:

Don't suppose that whole scenario would cause TC any concern would it :?:

Also i like the idea of a shareholder group....maybe that should be further developed.....

I started this post wanting info on the AN-2 Colt, looks like i'm not the only one interested, this subject has taken on a life of it's own, i hope my fellow pilots out there keep inputting to the thread....

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Wait just a second Dave. Have you been to this island? Can a guy buy a lot at the airport and build a hanger? How's the gardening there?
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Beefitarian wrote:Wait just a second Dave. Have you been to this island? Can a guy buy a lot at the airport and build a hanger? How's the gardening there?
Hi Beefitarian;

I havn't actually visited the island which is just off the coast of Fortune, NFLD but i have sailed past it almost close enough to touch.... (another story)

Check it out on Google Earth....

I just got this bright idea of Saint Pierre here on this snowy NB afternoon but guess what :?:

I have made radio contact in the recent past with a fellow Amateur who lives there (as follows) so one could get "on the ground" intel....

FP5CJ France
JEAN-PIERRE CARRERE
PO BOX: 1543 ST PIERRE ET MIQUELON FRENCH ISLANDS
NORTH AMERICA
St Pierre & Miquelon

by the way if anyone is interested my Amateur call is VE9YA and yes, i think you can plant a garden there :mrgreen:

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What is involved in importing an aircraft like this into Canada? I've imported motorcycles, helped work through reflagging of vessels, but never a plane. There are a number of AN-2 available in Poland and Ukraine (many of them Polish built). One of my friends is very interested in getting himself an AN-2. I'm mostly just interested in learning about/seeing/perhaps flying one.
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Prairie chicken has it right. If the aircraft isn't already a certified type in Canada, it would have to be approved. Quite a process.
Here is reference for simple import of a certified type,
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/s ... t-2037.htm

But let's assume you can't do it. There may be a workaround.
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulatio ... ge-29.html
Review this link about operating foreign registered AC in Canada, it is limited to 90 day, **unless the operator of the aircraft is a citizen of the state the AC is registered in**.
Given the CARS definition of operator, it doesn't have to be the pilot.
I could see an arrangement being reached with an foreign individual to act as a proxy for someone else to fly to plane. Also could think about setting up a holding company registered in that country, and have it own the aircraft.
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When my friend had SP-BFR based at ZBB, it was flown on a Polish PPL, under Polish registration, by a Yank living in Canada and I believe all he had to do was pay the taxes. He bought the aircraft in Poland and paid a Polish pilot to ferry it to ZBB.

It was a big pig to fly..but different.
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http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/ ... Annie.aspx

What one of the Canadian AN-2s has been up to.
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Just a note of curiosity, if you do a google maps satellite pic over CYKZ you can see FAKA on the apron in the third row.... Funny view. I'll give you 3 chances to find it and the first two don't count.
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cgzro wrote:http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/ ... Annie.aspx

What one of the Canadian AN-2s has been up to.
Thanks for that link to the story "cgzro" the mission had been referred to earlier in this thread but you have "fleshed" it out....Dave "GGCC"
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DanWEC wrote:Just a note of curiosity, if you do a google maps satellite pic over CYKZ you can see FAKA on the apron in the third row.... Funny view. I'll give you 3 chances to find it and the first two don't count.
Ha! ha! Dan i like your sense of humor, pretty easy to spot C-FAKA amongst the "puddle jumpers" :mrgreen:

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Where'd you go GGCC? One of these found it's way to a fly in near Olds Alberta recently.
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