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Colonel Sanders
 Post subject: A-10
PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:14 pm 
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Thank you, Colonel John Boyd, USAF (retd), where ever
you are!

The A-10 was an odd airplane - it was only developed by the USAF,
which hated John Boyd and the A-10, to deny the money to it's
worst enemy, the US Army.

John Boyd was responsible for the F-15, F-16, F-18 and A-10. You
might have heard of them.

It's a real pity he wasn't around to straighten out the F-22 and JSF.

He lack of influence on those programs is obvious.


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 Post subject: Re: A-10
PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:42 pm 
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Thanks for that - brings back memories of a School Trip to Mildenhall Airbase in Suffolk, UK when I was about 9 or 10 which was the first time I ever got up close and personal with a Warbird. The A-10 is still one of my favourite jet aircraft.
The safety briefing still sticks in my head. "If you hear an alarm, go stand next to the nearest wall. The crash trucka won't see or stop for you, but they know where the walls are."


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:55 pm 
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AWESOME :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


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trampbike
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Colonel Sanders wrote:

John Boyd was responsible for the F-15, F-16, F-18 and A-10.



I think it's fair to say that Pierre Sprey really was the guy behind the A-10 (yeah you could argue that Boyd was the guy behind Pierre Sprey...)

I'm not sure Boyd would be happy to hear that he was responsible for the F-15 and F-16 :wink: .
He aimed for much better, but the bureaucrats/technocrats got their hands too deep in theses projects.
What he wanted was lighter and much more maneuverable than what got out the production lines. As for the F-18, he was sort of the loser in the F-16 development competition.


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DanWEC
 Post subject: Re: A-10
PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:51 am 
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Always been my favorite plane. So many redundant and functional design aspects.
Interesting features off the top of my head- triple hydraulic systems, can fly minus one engine, one tail, and half the wing area compromised. Vulcan cannon offset to accommodate nose gear. The giant Garrett turbofans mounted in the most protected position from ground fire, cockpit housed in titanium and Kevlar tub.... Seem to remember something about the Vulcan actually slowing the aircraft down.
Anyone remember the story of the USAF chick flying back in half an a10?


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rigpiggy
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the other way around, gear offset so cannon on centerline, GE CF34 equivalents. Just a toe-toe brawler of an airplane


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Colonel Sanders
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It's funny how the LWF "loser" (F-18) went on to become the mainstay
of so many military forces, so many decades later ... RCAF, USN, Aussies, etc.

Well, they finally got rid of John Boyd and the bureaucrats had a free hand
at the F-35, and look what they got.


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DanWEC wrote:
Seem to remember something about the Vulcan actually slowing the aircraft down.


They also have to keep inside all the empty shells to not disturb too much the W&B of the airplane!



Colonel, we still don't know how the F35 is going to perform once operational. It might no be as bad as you think.
Remember that Boyd was pissed at what the F-15 ended up becoming, yet it became nonetheless the best air to air fighter of an era.


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Colonel Sanders
 Post subject: Re: A-10
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:15 am 
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the Vulcan actually slowing the aircraft down


Of course! Isaac Newton (a very unpleasant fellow, by all accounts)
described exactly that :wink:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_laws_of_motion

My father flew (and loved) the F-86 Sabre, and he says that you could
lose 50 knots when you fired the six Browning 50 caliber machine guns
it was equipped with, and they were only tiny 12.7mm pea shooters
compared to the honking huge depleted uranium 35mm rounds the
A-10 fired. Also, the rate of fire is over 3x on the A-10 vs the M3.


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DashFiveGuy
 Post subject: Re: A-10
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DanWEC wrote:
Always been my favorite plane. So many redundant and functional design aspects.
Interesting features off the top of my head- triple hydraulic systems, can fly minus one engine, one tail, and half the wing area compromised. Vulcan cannon offset to accommodate nose gear. The giant Garrett turbofans mounted in the most protected position from ground fire, cockpit housed in titanium and Kevlar tub.... Seem to remember something about the Vulcanactually slowing the aircraft down.
Anyone remember the story of the USAF chick flying back in half an a10?



The gun the A-10 was desingned around is the GAU-8 Avenger, not the Vulcan.


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Banger
 Post subject: Re: A-10
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:47 am 
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Bad-ass. Thanks for that Col.

Wish we still had Mavericks, they would've been handy...


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