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Mig29, your missing the point my friend. Whatever happens to the rest of us is just fine, as long as those at the top keep their pay, pension, working conditions .. etc. As for the rest of us .. they don't really care .. OH .. just contribute to keeping their pension funded, that's your only duty.

Sarcasm aside .. I'd just like an honest answer as to what makes you, fly past 60 so special? Why shouldn't the other pilots enjoy the same opportunity to progress in pay, seniority and eventually the ability to retire at a decent age? Why should other career's be put on hold for the sake of those who enjoyed the best this industry had to offer? (notice had) Nobody on this forum can really answer that question .. the music eventually stops for all of us, the least you can say is "I enjoyed it while it lasted" and bow out with the respect of your peers .. just like those before you, and those still to come.

Cheers.

Mig29, your missing the point my friend. Whatever happens to the rest of us is just fine, as long as those at the top keep their pay, pension, working conditions .. etc. As for the rest of us .. they don't really care .. OH .. just contribute to keeping their pension funded, that's your only duty. Sarcasm aside .. I'd just like an honest answer as to what makes you, fly past 60 so special?

On a semi serious note, are you guys sure you want to come back to this gong show ? I'm thinking a guy named Madoff in an orange jumpsuit is running this place.

You may have a point there. It's looking more and more like our benevolent employer want to put us all on the street for good regardless of our age.

Now if the 2 groups go out, Raitt will legislate us back, but if we refuse, then what?

After the Government agrees that there will be no retribution, we return with a nice pay raise.

Did anyone get to the YYZ meeting today? Did ACPA throw in the towel, now that mandatory retirement is ending?

NO! Head still firmly entrenched at the bottom of the sandbox....................

ACPA needs to find a lawyer who is more interested in giving proper advice that his clients can understand, than in getting to the Supreme Court; IF the Supremes would even hear such a case over a law that Parliament has repealed!

NO! Head still firmly entrenched at the bottom of the sandbox....................

Why is it that no one here who attended or listened to the meeting heard the NC say that with AC's potential abandonment of the BFOR, they are analysing the need to accommodate pilots beyond 60 as per legal advice and will handle the matter in much more detail in a WAWCON? Somehow that was lost on everybody here it would seem. The NC is working on it. Loud and clear.

and that that number is expected to increase exponentially over the next couple of years! Pardon me? Given that mandatory retirement will end in December, what will be the basis of a complaint next year? ACPA ignoring the law?

That is the type of accommodation that is legal and that the union should be looking at, among other things such as voluntary incentives to encourage pilots to retire before age 60. Not on the radar.

I was having a few beers with my crew......they know who they are.....I came back from the washroom seeing them all smirking and laughing, wondering what the hell the joke was......they had bought the skipper another beer. I drank it willingly and returned the favour, and they then showed me the picture they took of that beer when I was in the washroom......they all had their dinks in it.....smiling and laughing.

The BFOR argument can only be argued by the company. ACPA is along for the ride.

Incorrect. The reference to the numbers increasing exponentially is the fact that more guys wont retire at 60. They will just stay on.

There was no mention of the fact that every other airline in Canada and the world doesn’t seem to have any problem with the ICAO restrictions

All DFR complaints against ACPA and AC have been dismissed.

So, do any of you want to play what if?

What if, some of the posters here on this specific issue, are not AC pilots, or are not even airline pilots/employees,

Maybe they are, and maybe they are not.

Maybe they work somewhere else, or go to school, or they are based overseas, or they work for the armed services, or they are in some dark hole, bored.

If....you want to see what any poster has ever posted, in condensed format, to make your own opinions, go to the one of the various sites. It is important to select the other airlines, not just Air Canada.

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There are multiple pages, so look at the bottom of the first page, and select the next page(s). Some have many pages.

Also, I dont know how to tell if they are posting from another airline, (not listed above) or are just throwing in their time, and thoughts, opinions, bs, on this subject that doesnt affect them, or their friends, family, spouse, working roomate, sig other, etc. from the water cooler at their office, or their bedroom desk, or their school room.

What ever........so, I tried a few times. Here is one example of many from many different posters on this subject of FP60 at Air Canada.Sample search:

Search Author: Mig29

Post subject: Seniority and ReservePosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:33 pm

Joined: Fri Aug 13, 2004 3:47 am
Posts: 796 Ok, so I gotta a question guys...I am not working for AC/Jazz/WJ but would like to know how do you guys deal with this situation?

You have two guys on reserve...(A is more senior to B guy), and A guy is on a single day while guy B is on a multi-day reserve. Crewsked has an open TWO-DAY pairing and up until now used to call guys in order of seniority. Now, they decide to call junior guy B and assign him the pairing because he is on a multi-day reserve. A guy doesn't even get a phone call or a CHOICE because they feel they would have to draft him for day 2 if he chooses to work that pairing.

Is this fair or right?? What's the point of seniority?

Thanks in advance, just curious to know what your guys to...?

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or another random search same author:Post subject: Re: No more Age 60 forced Retirement at Air Canada ???Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 4:59 am

Mig29


Joined: Fri Aug 13, 2004 3:47 am
Posts: 796 I am not near 60, but you can say that I am getting close to the half mark....I don't work for the big red or baby red, but hope one day I will....And if I don't...well so be it. But I refuse to see my self operating an aircraft at this pace and at this life style until 65!! Heck, I'd like to see my self retire at 50 if I can....I understand some of you love this job, so much in fact, that you can't see yourself doing anything else. That's fine, but that's not me...and as long as there are people like you and me, this world will not become boring:)

I come from a different mentality, where LIFE takes presedence over WORK, where you plan life outside (not around) work, and use work to achieve certain things and goals in life. Yes, it should be rewarding, and yes we should enjoy it, but to make it your only way of living is like putting all your hopes in flying an F-18 when applying to the air force. I've seen to many good people, dying too early in this career, or soon after it ended. Yes, you can call it, unlucky or destiny, or just 'it was ment to be' but it saddens me to see these folks climb up so high in this career, and never get to enjoy their retirement with their families, grandchildren, friends....Life is too short, our PIC and jet times, aircraft ratings, seniority numbers will all come and go, but we only got one life...

I am all for older folks staynig with the company and passing on their knowledge and wisdome to young guys, but maybe in other capacities than flying the line until 65...or 60 if you ask me. And yes, it's nice to hop over the pond once or twice a month and make 200K but is it fair and viable for the company? While your colleagues are trying to make ends on a 35K salary with a new mortgage, young family and never ending aviation related debts?

I know we are going to disagree on this, but as I said earlier...the world would be one dull place if we didn't

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Dont want anyone to feel left out, suggest if you are interested, have a look at Teacher, or Localizer, Dlurker, but not in AC tab. Just surfin this forum. Use any author you may want to. Very interesting results.