hey guys I am just looking for some wisdom and some insight. I am wondering what peopls opinions are on RP, EMJ or in the unlikely chance 320 spots. I have read the past topics and some of the info is dated and seems to get off topic. not looking for politics just how you liked the position or not and also your opinions on bases does one base have better flying than another, do you move up the list faster at one base. thanks so much again for any info you can give cant wait to join the team
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Or any other advice that you think new guys and gals should know
thanks
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Everybody has different goals, priorities, family situations, domicile, experience etc, so it's impossible to give specific advice without knowing who you're giving it to.
In general however if you like a busy window seat learning how to fly a jet try and get the Embraer or 320. If you want to see some of the world for a while first with the company and Captain buying your beer RP is the way to go.
Congrats and welcome aboard.
In general however if you like a busy window seat learning how to fly a jet try and get the Embraer or 320. If you want to see some of the world for a while first with the company and Captain buying your beer RP is the way to go.
Congrats and welcome aboard.
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Welcome aboard! Just so you don't get disappointed, the 320 is not a direct entry aircraft type. You will have to bid for that position after being assigned EMJ FO or RP. You can bid for 320 FO when the bid comes.
The new hires that came a couple of months ago are now showing about 50% on the YYZ EMJ list already. So, if you are looking to move up the list fast to get a better schedule and life then the YYZ EMJ is for you. Generally, YYZ has more positions so you can expect to move up quicker there than lets say, YVR.
See you in the sim building!
The new hires that came a couple of months ago are now showing about 50% on the YYZ EMJ list already. So, if you are looking to move up the list fast to get a better schedule and life then the YYZ EMJ is for you. Generally, YYZ has more positions so you can expect to move up quicker there than lets say, YVR.
See you in the sim building!
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Clyde River
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Nice job for new hire is 777 RP for productivity, comfort, time with family, and variety. In my opinion. Next would be 767RP as a new hire position. RP is a good way to spend a couple/few years checking out the operation of AC before jumping into the fire so to speak.
EMJ is hard work, and lots of legs. As a new hire, you are on flat salary, so it's not like there's a huge incentive to work your a$$ off, nor is there much relief from constant changes to your schedule, re-assignment, drafting, etc. (Not that I am too familiar with the EMJ operation personally, but from conversations, postings, etc this is what I gather).
I am familiar with widebody overseas though.
EMJ is hard work, and lots of legs. As a new hire, you are on flat salary, so it's not like there's a huge incentive to work your a$$ off, nor is there much relief from constant changes to your schedule, re-assignment, drafting, etc. (Not that I am too familiar with the EMJ operation personally, but from conversations, postings, etc this is what I gather).
I am familiar with widebody overseas though.
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OldDogNewTricks
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Hey, thanks for all the great information and opinions. I start on the 5 March course as well and I'm trying to picture what the best route would be (RP vs ERJ FO). I'm an Air Force guy so I have no airline experience. Therefore, I was thinking that ERJ would be a good place to get that raw experience and perhaps bid something different down the road. I'm in Ottawa and not planning on moving so I was hoping for a Montreal base (permitting a drive to work if required). Any opinions about Montreal as a base? As well, what does the future look like beyond 2 years with respect to the seniority list and what a guy can expect to bid at that point? Is FO on the A320 possible at that point? The disparity between an ERJ FO pay and a A320 pay is incredible! Any sense that this will be different if we end up with a new contract? Thanks again for any info you can provide. Looking forward to it 
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hey guys thanks so much for the feed back, if a person goes with rp position how long before you can bid emj/320 F/O. is it a long wait to get off res as an rp one person in a past post said in winter 50% of rps are on res and 25% in winter.
thanks again
thanks again
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I apologize for throwing cold water on your excitement but....OldDogNewTricks wrote:Hey, thanks for all the great information and opinions. I start on the 5 March course as well and I'm trying to picture what the best route would be (RP vs ERJ FO). I'm an Air Force guy so I have no airline experience. Therefore, I was thinking that ERJ would be a good place to get that raw experience and perhaps bid something different down the road. I'm in Ottawa and not planning on moving so I was hoping for a Montreal base (permitting a drive to work if required). Any opinions about Montreal as a base? As well, what does the future look like beyond 2 years with respect to the seniority list and what a guy can expect to bid at that point? Is FO on the A320 possible at that point? The disparity between an ERJ FO pay and a A320 pay is incredible! Any sense that this will be different if we end up with a new contract? Thanks again for any info you can provide. Looking forward to it
You asked some good questions regarding the future of an Air Canada pilot. We are currently taking a strike vote. The company is attempting to eliminate our Scope clause and/or create a LCC. For various reasons there has been nothing but increased productivity (read: less time with the family) and concessions for the pilots group for over 10 years.
How does that affect a new hire?
If the company proposal eliminating scope and/or a LCC is created there will be NO NEED FOR HIRING. The hiring that is being done now is based on the current terms and conditions of the CBA we have been working under for over 6 years. In fact, if either Scope elimination or LCC is attained, I foresee redundant pilot positions.
YUL base. Yes new hires are being offered some EMB FO positions there.
EMB FO v A320 pay: EMB FO and all new hire RP positions are position group. Pay difference approx. $20k per annum less than A320 FO. ACPA wanted to eliminate position group by putting the EMB on true formula and making new hire flat pay 1 year versus the current 2 years. The company wants to extend that to 4 years. Think hard about that.
ACPA is trying to negotiate a better contract for ALL pilots. The company is trying to force concessions. This will all be played out over the next few months.
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OldDogNewTricks
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[quote=I apologize for throwing cold water on your excitement but....[quote]
Consider my bubble somewhat burst. I will try and keep cautiously optomistic.
4 years at poverty pay! No thanks! I will wait to hear how things pan out with the negots.
It's a sad state of affairs the direction the pilot profession is headed
Consider my bubble somewhat burst. I will try and keep cautiously optomistic.
4 years at poverty pay! No thanks! I will wait to hear how things pan out with the negots.
It's a sad state of affairs the direction the pilot profession is headed
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That was one of several reasons I voted "No" on the Failed Tentative Agreement. No more divisions amongst our group!4 years at poverty pay! No thanks! I will wait to hear how things pan out with the negots.
Spot on mate. We are trying to do everything we can to stop it. I remain cautiously optimistic as well.It's a sad state of affairs the direction the pilot profession is headed
