767 RP - new hire

[acav8or]

Any info about the 767 RP position will be greatly appreciated - specific questions relate to the deadheading sectors and is it J class or Y?

Thanks

[lawndart]

Y class, with upgrade if space is available after all upgrade coupons / elite status / managers etc have been upgraded.

A great deal of the YYZ flying involves an overnight deadhead to Europe, then operate back 24 hours later.

YVR flying tends to have fewer long haul deadheads.

[Beach 200]

Who cares. Is that all your worried about, J Class? It's most likely Y class, with the possibility of J class upgrade if availability. Crew Sked will dump you in the J/S if they need to you somewhere!

[Rockie]

Crew Sked will dump you in the J/S if they need to you somewhere!

Not permitted, and you won't find a Captain who would let a pilot deadheading on company business in the jumpseat if they tried.

[yycflyguy]

Who cares. Is that all your worried about, J Class? It's most likely Y class, with the possibility of J class upgrade if availability. Crew Sked will dump you in the J/S if they need to you somewhere!

It's also a fatigue issue. Big difference between 4A and 38B.

[acav8or]

Thanks for the replies. EMJ it is!

[Lost in Saigon]

I think you are making a BIG mistake if you plan your career around a few anonymous posts posts on a public forum.

Talk to a 767RP and get the straight scoop.

[iwannasoar]

check your PM!

[Al707]

EMB would be better if YYZ based.
767RP is better if based in YVR.

Lots less DH'ing in YVR so more productive work. YES there is a very large difference in DH'ing in a middle seat in Y vs a J seat. Especially on an overseas leg!

[ogopogo]

How can RP ever be better? Isn't flying the plane always better than dozing?

[Lost in Saigon]

A lot of guys get hired at AC with high time. They don't want, or need the stick time. There have been some recent new-hires placed directly on the 777 as RP's. They only work 9 days a month! (even the junior ones on reserve!)

MANY new-hires would gladly work 9 days a month and see the world, rather than slogging away doing 3-4 legs a day, 16 days a month, and laying over in Winnipeg and Edmonton.

Take a look at the 777RP list and you will see some with 15 years seniority who can hold almost any other position. There a must be a good reason why they are still there.

[Sage]

Ogopogo, look at it from a different viewpoint (long answer) - on probation, if management wanted to get rid of you, there are plenty of opportunities to do so. The one place everyone underestimates as a jeopardy to their career here is the first recurent ride. Unlike the traditional program where the training you undergo before a ride is to help you pass your PPC, in an AQP program the first "ride" after initial qualification (to enter the Continuing Qualification portion of the program) doesn't allow for "training" before undergoing the 2 day "validation and evaluation." With only 6 months of line and aircraft experience, you are now required to tap in to your initial training and remember how to execute maneuvers you don't normally use on the line. A lot of candidates usually get a lot of 1's (unsatisfactory) during this time. If you have a few strikes against you already on your file, then now you are most likely out of a job. It is the last chance before your probabtion ends where management can have a look at you and say, "is he/she worthy of this job."

Short answer, RP with their limited responsibilities would likely have fewer amount of strikes against them and would have less in terms of maneuvers to execute during their recurrent. Hence, less jeopardy.

It is what it is. What LIS said is true too! Schedule rules!

[RudderWhat]

What percentage of new hires are fired while on probation?

[Al707]

Entry level pay = $37000 approx.

$37,000/12 months/ 12 days of work (max) is $257 per day (minimum)
$37,000/12 months/ 16 days (up to 18 on the EMB) is $192 per day (maximum!!)

If you are anything like the rest of us you need another job to survive, therefore the 767RP (yvr only as yyz has less productive pairings) provide for more available time to work at Timmy's. Even better if on the 777.

If you are a kid with no jet time then perhaps flying is more rewarding but many have flown large jets up to 747's in the right seat before coming here so some more mini jet FO time isn't that stimulating either.

$20.00 an hour for a professional pilot, away from home 10-12 nights a month, needs to be fixed! Either way $200 to $250 per day worked for minimum 10 up to 13-14 hours (duty time) is really a JOKE.

[Norwegianwood]

$20.00 an hour for a professional pilot, away from home 10-12 nights a month, needs to be fixed! Either way $200 to $250 per day worked for minimum 10 up to 13-14 hours (duty time) is really a JOKE.

The "oldest profession" pay's way more and you are in your own bed EVERY night

Pilots make a joke of their own profession as they will fly for 0 - Nada - dick................. Naaaaaaw that's another profession

[777longhaul]

Dont forget, Miltons pension is 58 per hour, (just under a dollar per minute) every hour of every day, of every week, of every, month, of every years. AND it is indexed, and he is not alone on the pig fest gravy train at the top.

A pilots pay scale, is a joke, and lowering the bar will kill off the rest.

[ogopogo]

But isn't it true that after a few years, the money starts to kick in? All skippers at AC, even on the JJ, make over $100K/yr and go up from there. As you work your way up the list, and change to larger aircraft, doesn't it get pretty sweet?