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beaverguy

Post subject: Air Canada and their taxi speed

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:18 pm

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I know things are a little tense at AC, and some pilots are feeling slighted, but, could you please stop the nonesense of taxing at 8 knots in places like YVR and YYZ where you have almost 2 miles of straight taxiway. When you get a line of planes behind you it is time to pick up the pace. Thanks. Now, flame away.

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Changes in Latitudes

Post subject: Re: Air Canada and their taxi speed

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:53 pm

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Speaking of taxi, why don't you take one? You can just yell your demands through a little glass window?

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bananaskins

Post subject: Re: Air Canada and their taxi speed

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:04 pm

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Well said Beaverguy

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palm90

Post subject: Re: Air Canada and their taxi speed

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:38 pm

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It's what they call "Natural Block Growth".

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yycflyguy

Post subject: Re: Air Canada and their taxi speed

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:05 pm

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I'm afraid it will only get worse before it gets better. During times of increased stress created by the corporation, safety must be emphasized from push off the gate to being marshalled in... but don't worry, if there is a lockout or Industrial Action there will be no AC planes moving.

Sorry for the extra 2-3 minutes delay.

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SeaBat

Post subject: Re: Air Canada and their taxi speed

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:18 pm

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beaverguy wrote:

Sorry dude, I didn't mean to inconvenience you. I will definately pick up my taxi speed when you are behind me. What airline are you with?

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beaverguy

Post subject: Re: Air Canada and their taxi speed

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:53 pm

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Pretty much the responses I was expecting. If it was only 2-3 minutes it would not be a big deal. Unfortunately it is longer than that. As for the "safety" aspect. The brakes must be applied several times to keep an aircraft taxing that slow. Just make sure you haven't overheated them prior to T/O.

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Ah_yeah

Post subject: Re: Air Canada and their taxi speed

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:03 pm

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Thanks for support Beaverguy. Should be even more fun when our aircraft are full of ESL students reading back the clearances. That's what the Madoffs are planning. On behalf of all the whining AC pilots, please accept our most humble regrets. :prayer:

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beaverguy

Post subject: Re: Air Canada and their taxi speed

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:09 pm

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You want support? Most would ask for it, not inconvience others trying to prove a point.

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Sage

Post subject: Re: Air Canada and their taxi speed

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:08 am

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Then don't get behind us. It's not a sarcastic remark. If you see us starting to come of the ramp, then speed up to get ground to hold us instead of you. Your beef is with your luck.

This negotiations period is putting a lot of stress on us. We're making sure we cover all the bases plug up the holes in the swiss cheese crm model.

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Inverted2

Post subject: Re: Air Canada and their taxi speed

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:21 am

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I did notice the very slow taxi speed last night on an Air Canada DHD from YUL to YYZ. I can't say I blame you guys though. I would be operating VERY safe if I were in the same predicament.

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Lateralus

Post subject: Re: Air Canada and their taxi speed

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:27 am

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Sage wrote:

Lol what a crock of shit. Spoken like at true AC pilot. Earth to Sage you guys were still doing this long before your negotiations. And what a dumb comment, cause pilots have all the authority when it comes to taxiing. "Don't get behind us" Hahahaha ok I'll remember that next time in my taxi clearance, I'll tell them I don't want to taxi behind the slowing moving jungle jet. Get a life buddy.

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palm90

Post subject: Re: Air Canada and their taxi speed

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:43 am

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Took the words right out of my mouth. Get your head out of yer ass Sage.

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Sage

Post subject: Re: Air Canada and their taxi speed

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:17 am

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The 757 taxi about the same speeds.

Edited because Flying Nutcracker is right.

Last edited by Sage on Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:08 am, edited 2 times in total.

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Flying Nutcracker

Post subject: Re: Air Canada and their taxi speed

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:25 am

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This is fun to read while watching "cat in the hat" on Treehouse!!! It's kind of in the same league...

I find leading by example more "convenient" than "setting" an example...

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Cat Driver

Post subject: Re: Air Canada and their taxi speed

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:36 am

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Just when I think I have read the most stupid statement I have ever seen this forum never fails to entertain me.

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This negotiations period is putting a lot of stress on us. We're making sure we cover all the bases plug up the holes in the swiss cheese crm model.

Please, please tell me you are not really flying for Air Canada.

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ettw

Post subject: Re: Air Canada and their taxi speed

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:13 am

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And this sort of crap is why I'm taking the train to yyz for sim next week....travelling made civilized.

In fact VIA is looking to hire new train engineers. Maybe I'll just get out of this pathetic industry....

ETTW

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Lateralus

Post subject: Re: Air Canada and their taxi speed

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:29 am

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Cat Driver wrote:

Just when I think I have read the most stupid statement I have ever seen this forum never fails to entertain me.

Quote:

This negotiations period is putting a lot of stress on us. We're making sure we cover all the bases plug up the holes in the swiss cheese crm model.

Please, please tell me you are not really flying for Air Canada.

My thoughts exactly. Grow up Sage, and don't remember where you came from. We are all shedding a tear for you tonight.

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yycflyguy

Post subject: Re: Air Canada and their taxi speed

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:09 pm

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Lateralus wrote:

Cat Driver wrote:

Just when I think I have read the most stupid statement I have ever seen this forum never fails to entertain me.

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This negotiations period is putting a lot of stress on us. We're making sure we cover all the bases plug up the holes in the swiss cheese crm model.

Please, please tell me you are not really flying for Air Canada.

My thoughts exactly. Grow up Sage, and don't remember where you came from. We are all shedding a tear for you tonight.

... and that's what wrong with aviation today. Failure to support and respect another groups position. I don't expect you to be current on the current situation but if AC eliminates our scope you can kiss 3000 jobs good-bye. If you don't think that will have an impact on YOU, whatever you fly, for whoever you fly, you are in for a rude surprise. This threat is a threat on the entire industry. No exaggeration. This is the fight for your livelihood. This is the fight for all Canadian aviators.

Thanks for your understanding. Sorry for the 3 minutes inconvenience. If you are heating your brakes, can I suggest a single engine taxi? Or sit at the threshold for another couple of minutes til they cool off? Safety first. BTW, it is not just ground operations. If you get stuck at the same FL as AC you might expect delays in the air too.

You can expect delays for the foreseeable future. Expect it. Plan for it.

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Rockie

Post subject: Re: Air Canada and their taxi speed

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:24 pm

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yycflyguy wrote:

This threat is a threat on the entire industry. No exaggeration. This is the fight for your livelihood. This is the fight for all Canadian aviators.

Exactly.

If Air Canada has its way pensions will be gone and they will steadily farm out the flying to the lowest bidder until "Air Canada" ceases to exist. If you think the race to the bottom in this industry is a problem now just wait until Air Canada straps a rocket to it should they win. This is ultimately every Canadian pilot's career we're fighting for here whether or not they fly, or aspire to fly for Air Canada.

In that light reaching the runway a little slower and safer isn't so bad is it?

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yycflyguy

Post subject: Re: Air Canada and their taxi speed

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:35 pm

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Kinda spooky how we agree more and more Rockie :lol:

.... perhaps I should be posting on the Mandatory Retirement thread again!

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Big Pistons Forever

Post subject: Re: Air Canada and their taxi speed

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:46 pm

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Rockie wrote:

yycflyguy wrote:

This threat is a threat on the entire industry. No exaggeration. This is the fight for your livelihood. This is the fight for all Canadian aviators.

Sorry but I think this taxi to rule is wrong. Your point about the future is bang on but that is still no excuse to be unprofessional when operating the aircraft. There are plenty of ways to remind the fools that run Air Canada that the whole operation works a lot better when the Pilots are happy without demonstrating poor airmanship.

Last edited by Big Pistons Forever on Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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rudder

Post subject: Re: Air Canada and their taxi speed

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:47 pm

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Rockie wrote:

yycflyguy wrote:

This threat is a threat on the entire industry. No exaggeration. This is the fight for your livelihood. This is the fight for all Canadian aviators.

Exactly.

In that light reaching the runway a little slower and safer isn't so bad is it?

If you guys believe that taxiing slowly, refusing drafts, booking off sick, writing up extra snags, or any other traditional pilot work-to-rule campaign is going to make a difference this time around, you are seriously misjudging your circumstances.

You are probably correct, there is a Howitzer pointed right at you. But you are responding with a water pistol. This is the big leagues and you need better advisors, better resources, and a better strategy. You are up against someone that has access to resources that currently far exceed your own and he has a head start. He will not back down simply because you are burning a little extra fuel.

This matter will not be settled on the taxiways of Canadian airports. It will be settled in the AC Board Room or the office of the Minister of Labour. Start developing a response based on that reality and you will have taken a step in the right direction.

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BLZD1

Post subject: Re: Air Canada and their taxi speed

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:53 pm

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If Air Canada gets their way:

1. There will over 1/3 of ACPA pilots list looking for work.
2. Pay cuts to Westjet wages because they are connected to AC wages.(correct me if i am wrong please)
3. The new carrier will have lower operating costs than Westjet most likely.

2-3 min taxi delays please. I guess I will be flying a 320 or 737 for $65000 in the left seat. Nice!!!

Stop pissing on your fellow pilots! It's war time here at AC!

Last edited by BLZD1 on Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:34 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Rockie

Post subject: Re: Air Canada and their taxi speed

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:02 pm

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Big Pistons Forever wrote:

Your point about the future is bang on but that is still no excuse to be unprofessional when operating the aircraft.

Taxiing slowly is not being unprofessional. Being unsafe or deliberate and flagrant violations of the SOP's is, but that's definitely NOT what's going on here.

rudder wrote:

You are absolutely right, and nobody believes that. The real fight hasn't even started yet.

yycflyguy wrote:

Kinda spooky how we agree more and more Rockie .... perhaps I should be posting on the Mandatory Retirement thread again!

Not to thread drift, but you'll notice the overall discussion is just now reaching the things myself and others were saying years ago. Still have a ways to go yet...age 65 BFOR anyone? In any event this is small potatoes compared to the current fight, and the time has long passed where we could materially effect what's going to happen on that file to manage the outcome anyway so it's rather pointless to talk about it now. So I haven't been.

Last edited by Rockie on Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:42 pm, edited 2 times in total.

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