WJ Blunders yet again..

VinceRCAF · Post by **VinceRCAF** » Tue May 17, 2005 9:20 am

What everyone is overlooking here, and I'm sorry if this will cause people to be leary of flying is: On Domestic flights checked baggage does not go through a scanning device, therefore if a martyr decided to place a bomb in his suitcase and fly along with it there is no way of knowing a bomb is on board, regardless of all the other security checks. Its time to hold the government accountable for all the security tax they are charging and yet the lack of actual security it provides when dealing with checked luggage.

Rebel · Post by **Rebel** » Tue May 17, 2005 3:01 pm

Good point and that’s exactly what the TSA is proposing to implement in 2008. Who’s going to pay for this? Hmm..

For you bend-out-shape Jetsetters who so rudely misinterpreted what this thread is all about, cool your jets, its all about education as I’m not totally convinced that the article is accurate. I did suggest that you check the accuracy of the article but instead you decided to shoot the messenger instead. Why am I not surprised..

I’ll repeat the request: this is another method of verifying the accuracy of the story.

Please contact Canwest Reporters through the Canwest News Desk at (204)926-1611.

Ask for Gwendolyn Richards of the CanWest News Service who is the reporter who had this article published in the Vancouver Province of May 13, 2005. Be nice as you do represent WJ and just request that she/he verify the accuracy of their information.

If it turns out that the story is bogus request a written apology both to WJ and the Captain of the flight. That's how AC employees would handle it..

Canus Chinookus · Post by **Canus Chinookus** » Tue May 17, 2005 4:57 pm

Rebel wrote:For you bend-out-shape Jetsetters who so rudely misinterpreted what this thread is all about, cool your jets, its all about education as I’m not totally convinced that the article is accurate. I did suggest that you check the accuracy of the article but instead you decided to shoot the messenger instead. Why am I not surprised..

Fair enough, let's just look at a few excerpts:

"WJ Blunders yet again"

"That is how AC or for that matter any responsible airline would have handled the situation. "

"I guess this is another case of WJ being ignorant of the law"

"Thats basic 101.. What happened folks? Ýou forgot the red suitcase or didn't you want to take the delay?"

"WJ committed a gross error in judgment which could have resulted in dire consequences I suspect in part due to their culture and inexperience."

"if WJ had shown any of their much bragged about customer service this incident would never have been reported in the newspaper."

"How come I’m not surprised at the lack of accountability and responsibility that your post suggests? It seems to be part of the WJ culture."

"Sh#t like this doesn't just happen..."

Hmm, wonder how anyone could have possibly gotten bent out of shape by your posts and your holier than thou attitude?

"Canus Chinookus

You should know better.."

You're right, I do. Your obvious hatred of all things westjet is entertaining... please continue! Spout off!

Flapsforty · Post by **Flapsforty** » Tue May 17, 2005 11:49 pm

Actually Abbotsford has the X-ray machine in the back bag room. All bags go through it. Anything suspicious would have been caught there as well as out front.

Cheers

Rebel · Post by **Rebel** » Wed May 18, 2005 9:47 am

Flapsforty

Watch your back I understand the wheels are turning..

just curious · Post by **just curious** » Wed May 18, 2005 10:02 am

Until you actually get the double registered letter, I wouldn't sweat your back.

Even then, when did '37's get to be pilot dispatched?

RVSM · Post by **RVSM** » Wed May 18, 2005 11:17 am

Ya, geez flaps, watch your back, man.

This really too, too funny. Every time rebel gets clocked in a debate (and it IS every time), he tries to shut it down with some form of intimidation or other. Like screaming "I'M TELLING'.

Did ya get your letter from Ralph yet, rebel?

Canus Chinookus · Post by **Canus Chinookus** » Wed May 18, 2005 2:07 pm

Rebel has been....

rigpiggy · Post by **rigpiggy** » Wed May 18, 2005 2:27 pm

actually in atlantic canada, most airports have been fitted with baggage xray machines. yqm,yfc,ysj,yyg, etc... call your airport authority

Flapsforty · Post by **Flapsforty** » Wed May 18, 2005 5:14 pm

Rebel,

I tried to give you an informed response to your questions. I have looked back to some of your previous posts and I have discovered that it appears as though your wheels are NOT turning. I shall post to you no more.

Cheers

Rebel · Post by **Rebel** » Thu May 19, 2005 2:44 am

I'm amazed at the experience level and arrogant attitude of you Jetsetters. Any experienced airline Captain after reading the posted article would have realized the true significant of what was being reported. The reporter probably thought that what he/she was reporting was just another funny security mix-up followed by an airline PR screw-up. Makes for a funny read if you have a limited aviation background.

This is how the situation would have been handled by AC. The Captain wouldn’t have been involved because the station manager and flight dispatch would have handled all the details insuring that the flight was dispatched in a safe and efficient manner. Our folks would have had the courtesy of notifying the Captain in this instance because it did involve a potential explosive device. The Captain would have been provided with the assurance that the passenger and all his/her personal articles had been removed from the flight. In other words the issue would have been resolved before dispatching the flight regardless of the disruption to the schedule because of the seriousness of the incident. Hmm it would appear that WJ didn't follow any of these common sense guide lines.

Remember the key word "ËXPLOSVIES”.

Since when did any Captain become an expert on explosives or on the operation of any x-ray machine which by the way don’t measure for explosive or chemical traces? Gee does the Captain dispatch the flight on his/her own authority? I was always of the belief that the Captain had only co-authority, one that was shared with flight dispatch. Perhaps flight dispatch wasn’t even told what was going on. By the Captains own admission he/she wasn’t going to mess up the schedule just because of a security issue possibility involving explosives. After all I have five legs to do was the quote I believe. Perhaps Captain, you might not have completed the first leg because of the big bang. Did you honestly believe that questions wouldn’t be asked after the news media go a hold of it? Who suggested to you that it was perhaps not a good idea to say anything on this forum to protect yourself? What Jetsetter actually called the reporter to suggest that perhaps the article wasn’t entirely accurate and maybe there was another side to the story? I certainly hope for your sake that you polish up your version before the questions start being asked. This is not only of your doing, your company bears the biggest responsibility

A responsible company has in place a contingency plan providing a guide line to its employees in such events. If a company does not have such a plan I would consider them remiss in their duties both to their employees and more importantly their passengers. I wonder what TC would have to say about this, after all they approve a carriers operating licence..

Now you Jetsetters are going to have to live with the consequences of a badly handled incident, if the story is accurate.

Learn from it..

Canus Chinookus · Post by **Canus Chinookus** » Thu May 19, 2005 9:27 am

you don't get it do you? you've been...

CanadaEH · Post by **CanadaEH** » Thu May 19, 2005 12:30 pm

Hey Rebel, spare this forum from the "Air Canada is god" speech. Nobody wants to hear it. Spout off all you want, your credibility melted away with all those childish remarks you've made about Westjet over the past year. Priceless comments from a self-proclaimed "professional".

BUT WAIT! I'm just a stupid Jetsetter, right?

Canus Chinookus · Post by **Canus Chinookus** » Thu May 19, 2005 4:07 pm

right you are, Kenny!

xkbal · Post by **xkbal** » Thu May 19, 2005 4:58 pm

Rebel,

When are YOU going to get it. Nothing you've been alleging was stated in that article. It's your allegations so it's up to you to prove them not up to anyone else to disprove them.

I still haven't seen you point out the part of the article where it says that security told anyone at Westjet what the problem was and why the guest was detained prior to the flight leaving. As I said in my first post there is something to be learned from this incident, maybe something as simple that if security stops someone for what is believed to be explosives they contact the airline that he was to travel on and advise them of the situation.

I am going to call BS on how you say AC would handle it as well. If some passenger didn't get through security for some reason and the company was not informed by someone as to what the problem was it would be treated as a no show, the bags would be pulled and the flight would leave. It happens every day (although for the life of me I don't know where people disappear to in airports after they've checked in).

Canus Chinookus · Post by **Canus Chinookus** » Thu May 19, 2005 6:30 pm

the bar, or outside to smoke usually...

Canus Chinookus · Post by **Canus Chinookus** » Thu May 19, 2005 10:37 pm

I just couldn't help myself, I love this stuff...

Canus Chinookus · Post by **Canus Chinookus** » Thu May 19, 2005 10:39 pm

Canus Chinookus · Post by **Canus Chinookus** » Thu May 19, 2005 10:42 pm