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Post subject: Canadian C 130, in flight fire

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:17 pm

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Nine members of the Canadian Forces are safe after their military aircraft caught fire at a base in the U.S.

The CC-130 Hercules was participating in a training exercise when it caught fire at the Naval Air Station in Key West, Fla.

Those on board made a successful emergency landing and fire crews put out the flames.

The military is describing damage to the aircraft as "extensive."

Lt.-Col. Richard Pamplin, who commands the crew's squadron, says he's proud of the way those on board followed through on their training and got everyone out safely.

He adds that he's "relieved" to confirm all those who were on board are safe and in good spirits.

The aircraft and crew are from 435 Transport and Rescue Squadron of 17 Wing Winnipeg.

They were providing air-to-air refuelling support for the training of new CF-18 fighter pilots from 4 Wing Cold Lake in Alberta.

An investigation has been launched to determined the cause of the blaze.

From the CBC

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Post subject: Re: Canadian C 130, in flight fire

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:17 pm

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Who's buying the drinks in Margaritaville tonight? Not these guys.

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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:29 am

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Bravo Zulu

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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:04 pm

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The aftermath of the fire:

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Post subject: Re: Canadian C 130, in flight fire

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:55 am

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Holy crap! :shock:

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Post subject: Re: Canadian C 130, in flight fire

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:55 am

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Sulako wrote:

Holy crap! :shock:

Holy CRAP, Indeed.....imagine the toxins when you get an interior fire like that one. Lads were obviously lucky.
:bear:

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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:32 am

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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:35 am

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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:28 pm

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Is that one of the old Hercules or a new one?

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Post subject: Re: Canadian C 130, in flight fire

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:37 am

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It's one of the H-models we bought in the 90's. This particular one was an aerial refueling tanker.

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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:20 am

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We can rebuild it, we have the technology.

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Post subject: Re: Canadian C 130, in flight fire

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:52 am

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Had that aircraft had extensive rewire work completed at a facility near Abbotsford recently?

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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:58 am

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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:20 pm

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Quote:

It's one of the H-models we bought in the 90's.

Do they make "stubby" H models ? - I thought H models were stretched -- but I have been wrong before

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Post subject: Re: Canadian C 130, in flight fire

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:07 pm

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Liquid Charlie wrote:

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It's one of the H-models we bought in the 90's.

Do they make "stubby" H models ? - I thought H models were stretched -- but I have been wrong before

Most of the CFs H fleet is stubby, and all of the Js are stretch.

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Post subject: Re: Canadian C 130, in flight fire

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:10 am

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Didn't we get two stretched H models in the mid-late 90's?

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Post subject: Re: Canadian C 130, in flight fire

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:54 pm

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Yes. All the other ones are stubby, hence 'most'.

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Post subject: Re: Canadian C 130, in flight fire

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:48 pm

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What do they use to xfer fuel - pneumatic or hydraulic pumps --

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Post subject: Re: Canadian C 130, in flight fire

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:11 am

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I think each underwing refueling pod has its own RAT, and the transfer pumps are electric.

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Liquid Charlie

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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:01 pm

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So are you saying that there are no internal tanks used for the air to air refueling and that all that fuel is carried in the external pod tanks - it would be interesting to know how the system works and is setup and was it some of that plumbing that caused the fire -- or it was a guy smoking sitting on the crapper -- lmfaooooooo

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Post subject: Re: Canadian C 130, in flight fire

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:37 am

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Been about 14 years since I operated one, so might not have this exactly correct.

Cdn C130 tankers usually have a large tank in the cargo compartment that is plumbed into the aircraft fuel system and can hold about 23000 lbs fuel. There is also an external fuel tank on each wing between the engines. Total fuel capacity with the fuselage tank installed is about 85000 lbs.

There are two high capacity transfer pumps in the fuselage tank allowing high offload rates to receivers. The refuelling pods outboard of #1 and #4 engines do not contain any fuel. They hold the refuellling hoses & drogues. IIRC, with a steady lineup of receivers, you can offload about 60000 lbs in less than 15 minutes.

Refuelling system is operated by the flight engineer from the cockpit. Two crew members serve as monitors at the paradoor windows because once the receivers move into position they can't be seen from the cockpit.

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ch135146

Post subject: Re: Canadian C 130, in flight fire

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:46 pm

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Liquid Charlie wrote:

No, I did not say that. Those wing pods contain the hose, drogue, and RAT powered pump. The fuel for transfer to other aircraft is contained in stainless steel tanks in the cargo hold. Caveat: I have never been on a Herc squadron, so maybe somebody with direct knowledge can add more detail.

Edit: sorry, did not read the post above before posting this. :prayer:

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Liquid Charlie

Post subject: Re: Canadian C 130, in flight fire

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:24 pm

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Thanks Guys --

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Post subject: Re: Canadian C 130, in flight fire

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:57 am

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azimuthaviation: I'm fairly certian it hasn't.

And an fyi the hercs can operate with a fuse tank, but to my knowledge they rarely do because the fuse tanks total capacity is roughly equal to the capacity of the externals and they can not have fuel in both so it doesnt make much sense to use the fuse tanks. How ever the plumbing for the fuse tank does run throughout the aircraft, but I would put money down that it had nothing to do with this incident.

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Post subject: Re: Canadian C 130, in flight fire

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:01 pm

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bigbert wrote:

Having worked on this particular aircraft (and all Canadian Hercs for that matter) countless times during my tour in Trenton, ON in the 90's I can say with some authority that the Herc tankers (338 thru 342) do in fact operate with the fuselage tank installed when configured for AAR missions (as it was in this incident). The comment about not being able to have fuel in both the fuselage tank and the externals simultaneously is simply incorrect.

The fuselage tank had absolutely nothing to do with this incident, in fact it was not fuel related at all.

The incident aircraft had just completed an AAR mission and was conducting a touch and go for training. The fire occurred immediately after rotation while the aircraft was still only just a few feet off the ground. The loadmaster called for an abort and the aircraft was able to stop within the remaining runway. Had the fire occurred a minute or two later we would most likely be having a completely different discussion.

While the official findings have not been released it is believed that a steel braided hyd hose chafed through a wire bundle near the aux hyd pump causing arcing which compromised an adjacent hyd line and ignited a fire. The initial fire was fed further when an oxygen line was subsequently compromised.

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