IFR Currency question?

[FltDrvr]

License says Group 1 to 2011 May 01

Good ol . says,
"Once issued, an instrument rating is valid for the period specified on the license, NOT TO EXCEED A PERIOD OF 24 MONTHS"

So does that leave me til 2012 May 01

or

Does that leave me til 2013 May 01

Also, is it necessary to have a current IFR to do a PPC? Are they not the same thing?

Thanks.

[jschnurr]

Your IFR expired on May 1, 2011.

Also, is it necessary to have a current IFR to do a PPC?

No.

Are they not the same thing?

No, a PPC allows you to act as a crew member in a commercial aircraft that requires a PPC. Some PPCs may be VFR only, in which case your IFR will not be renewed.

[rapid602]

If you go to www.canadapilot.com

There is an Inrat Course for about $40 its good for as long as you want. Its a good review of all things related to the Instrument Rating in Canada.

Its great.... You can study and review anytime you want.

Well worth the money.

This is not just for you but for the benefit of everyone who reads this thread.

[FltDrvr]

My apologies fellas,

What I meant to say about the PPC is that, if you did a MIFR PPC it would renew your MIFR for another year.

With terms of renewing my IFR, I do not have to re-write the Inrat course but can get my IFR renewed by doing a ride (in plane or simulator) within a year of that expiry, because of the 24 month thing. So til May 2012?

My intentions are to renew my IFR by simulator before this deadline so I don't have to write any exams or anything. Is May 1st 2012 my last month?

Note: My MIFR ride was done 2010 May 1 in a plane...

[jschnurr]

Note: My MIFR ride was done 2010 May 1 in a plane..

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Your IFR is valid until June 1, 2012.

You can renew between June 1, 2012 and May 31, 2014 by a flight test only, no INRAT required.

To renew June 1 2014 and after, INRAT + flight test is required.

All this is from http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/r ... htm#421_48

[4930's]

Note: My MIFR ride was done 2010 May 1 in a plane..

.
Your IFR is valid until June 1, 2012.

You can renew between June 1, 2012 and May 31, 2014 by a flight test only, no INRAT required.

To renew June 1 2014 and after, INRAT + flight test is required.

All this is from http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/r ... htm#421_48

I find all this confusing. I did my last PPC in Oct 2008. A well recognized FTU told me I have until Nov 2012 to do another ride (which would include a PPC) before I have to do another Inrat. I have accepted a job on the presumption that I have a valid IFR.
jschnurr seems to qualify this. I really need a clear answer to this ASAP. Please!!

[Diadem]

I find all this confusing. I did my last PPC in Oct 2008. A well recognized FTU told me I have until Nov 2012 to do another ride (which would include a PPC) before I have to do another Inrat. I have accepted a job on the presumption that I have a valid IFR.
jschnurr seems to qualify this. I really need a clear answer to this ASAP. Please!!

You don't have a valid IFR, and haven't had one since Nov 1, 2010. However, if you complete an IFR PPC prior to Nov 1, 2012, your rating will be renewed without having to rewrite the INRAT. Right now you can't fly an aircraft IFR, but since you can't fly for a commercial air service until you do your ride, which will renew your rating, that shouldn't matter anyway. I was in the same situation when I got my first multi-turbine job: my rating had been expired for six months, but that left me with 18 months to do my ride before I would have had to rewrite the INRAT.

[4930's]

Thank you Diadem! I put the "valid" as underlined to express that all I had to do was a PPC or IFR ride. I sure don't want to do the INRAT again.

[just curious]

For starters, call TC licencing.
A PPC ride if conducted on an IFR Platform (group I type airplane fer instance), will if you
Request it, your IFR for up to 25 months from the date of the ride. If you did a ride in 2010, you IFR should have been extended to 2012. If the ACP did not renew your IFR at that time, you are expired.

You can still do a PPC ride, and it will extend your IFR until 2014. You must tell your check pilot you wish to have it renewed. Often, if a candidate carries more than one type, an iFR renewal is renewed on the ride that will have the IFR renewed on the same anniversary.

After you get this straightened out, remember to ask for a copy of your PPC report for your records. If mistakes get made, having the paper in your hands can get the error corrected quickly.

[Bushav8er]

Perhaps a little better under 401.05 (3) -
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/r ... htm#401_05

(3) No holder of an instrument rating shall exercise the privileges referred to in Section 401.47 unless the holder has

(a) within the 12 months preceding the flight, successfully completed an instrument rating flight test in an aircraft or in a Level B, C or D simulator of the same group as the aircraft;

(b) within the six months preceding the flight, acquired six hours of instrument time and completed six instrument approaches to the minima specified in the Canada Air Pilot in an aircraft, in actual or simulated instrument meteorological conditions, or in a Level B, C or D simulator of the same category as the aircraft or in a flight training device under the supervision of a person who holds the qualifications referred to in subsection 425.21(9) of the Personnel Licensing and Training Standards respecting Flight Training;
(amended 2012/02/19; previous version)

(c) within the six months preceding the flight, acquired six hours of instrument time and completed six instrument approaches to the minima specified in the Canada Air Pilot in an aircraft, in actual or simulated instrument meteorological conditions, while acting as a flight instructor conducting training in respect of the endorsement of a flight crew licence or permit with an instrument rating; or
(amended 2001/03/01; previous version)

(d) successfully completed, for an aircraft, a pilot proficiency check whose validity period has not expired and which included the instrument procedures portion of
(amended 2001/03/01; no previous version) ~ under Private Operator, 702, 703, 704, 705

I read it as, and I maybe wrong:
IFR rating good for 24 months (actually just under).
Currency -
ride covers you for 12 months (first year), then you need the 6,6,6 up until the day before the 24th month when you need a ride again; over 24 months and you need a ride and exam.

[Dutchpilotguy]

Hey all! I hate to be "that guy" but in this case it seems reasonable. I cruised through the forums and the CARs trying to find my own answer, and stumbled across this one.

So I did my initial IFR ride in Jun of 2011. I recently did my 666, and as I was going through the CARs I saw what is in the previous post:
(3) No holder of an instrument rating shall exercise the privileges referred to in Section 401.47 unless the holder has

(a) within the 12 months preceding the flight, successfully completed an instrument rating flight test in an aircraft or in a Level B, C or D simulator of the same group as the aircraft;

My question is:
I know IFR ratings are valid for 24 months, but how does this section apply? I guess the way I'm reading it is that annually I would have to conduct a ride, while also maintaining the 666. I asked around and I was told that I had to do a ride every 2 years. I do see that at the end of para (c) that it states "or" but the section the way it's written is confusing me now that I read it, and I'm beginning to question my own sanity here lol

Thanks to anyone who can clarify my confusion

Take care!

[DanWEC]

IFR rating good for 24 months (actually just under).
Currency -
ride covers you for 12 months (first year), then you need the 6,6,6 up until the day before the 24th month when you need a ride again; over 24 months and you need a ride and exam.

The previous post did a pretty good job of answering your question Dutch! bushhav8r can see into the future....(except you don't have to write the inrat again unless your ifr has been fully expired for 2 years, so 4 years from your ride)

Ride ever 2 years.
0-12 months your ride covers you for currency. No need to have 666.
12-24 months you need to have the 666 to stay current.
Then you do a ride again...The cycle repeats...

[Dutchpilotguy]

Thanks Dan! My confusion clearly stemmed from TCs effective use of "shall", "and" as well as "or" and the rather subjective use of a semi colon.

[dr.aero]

What I meant to say about the PPC is that, if you did a MIFR PPC it would renew your MIFR for another year.

No. If you do a MIFR PPC it will renew your MIFR rating. An IFR rating is valid for 2 years.

[ahramin]

What I meant to say about the PPC is that, if you did a MIFR PPC it would renew your MIFR for another year.

No. If you do a MIFR PPC it will renew your MIFR rating. An IFR rating is valid for 2 years.

A MIFR PPC will not automatically renew your MIFR rating. You need to submit the paperwork for a renewal (and pay the fee) on the basis of the PPC.

[dr.aero]

What I meant to say about the PPC is that, if you did a MIFR PPC it would renew your MIFR for another year.

No. If you do a MIFR PPC it will renew your MIFR rating. An IFR rating is valid for 2 years.

A MIFR PPC will not automatically renew your MIFR rating. You need to submit the paperwork for a renewal (and pay the fee) on the basis of the PPC.

Of course! If you don't submit paperwork for something that requires it, you obviously won't get it...

My point is that when your IFR rating is renewed, it is valid for 2 years and not 1 year.