One less thing for ACPA to worry about

[hithere]

Jazz's Thomas cook operation is done as of April 2012.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/jazz-avia ... 00522.html

[flyer 1492]

Jazz maybe finished flying the 757's, but TC will still be flying here in Canada.

[rudder]

Jazz maybe finished flying the 757's, but TC will still be flying here in Canada.

Is there a TC/WJ announcement in the offing?

[ChallengerDan]

I am pretty sure that WJ was already flying TC passengers to some destinations...

[ChallengerDan]

There you go:
http://www.thomascookgroup.ca/content.asp?page=130388

Press Release

For Immediate Release

July 15, 2011

SUNQUEST EXPANDS WINTER 11/12 FLYING PROGRAM
Featuring Thomas Cook Canada flights out of Western Canada, Strong partnership with WestJet


TORONTO – When Sunquest’s Winter 2011-2012 program commences, it will bring with
it an expanded flying schedule that includes the introduction of Thomas Cook Canada
flights out of Calgary and Vancouver.

This addition, which according to Steve Butchart, Vice President of Sunquest, represents
a “significant increase in capacity” for Sunquest out of the West, will provide customers
in these gateways with regular, direct long-haul flying on Thomas Cook Canada aircraft
to Jamaica and Punta Cana. “We’ve been looking for an opportunity to put more flying
out of the West and particularly to both reintroduce flights to the Dominican Republic and
increase capacity to Jamaica. This new flying program allows us to do just that.”

The program acts as a complement to the WestJet flying that is also in place for the
2011-2012 season. “As we continue to build upon our great relationship with WestJet,
the introduction of these flights provides an ideal balance between the long-haul flying
available on a Thomas Cook Canada 757 and the strong product offering that is
provided to our customers when they fly with WestJet,” continued Butchart. “Overall we
believe this combination enables us to offer an incredibly comprehensive program from
the West and we are delighted to be able to now offer this enhanced service to our
customers in Calgary and Vancouver.”

Along with continuing to provide Sunquest with capacity out of Western gateways,
Winter 2011-2012 will also see a deeper alliance with WestJet for the Montreal and
Ottawa programs. Thomas Cook Canada will operate the flying out of Toronto.

“By the end of our first season working together with Jazz to operate our Thomas Cook
Canada aircraft, we saw our overall satisfaction scores increase by 10 points year-overyear,”
said Butchart. “As we head into the second season of this partnership, we look
forward to further developing and strengthening these ties, and providing our customers
with vacation experiences that are best-in-class.”

With the addition of these flights out of Calgary and Vancouver, Sunquest customers in
those cities will be able to take advantage of the new Ruby Service offering, with those
in Vancouver also being able to enjoy access to the Plaza Premium Lounge.

The Winter 2011-2012 program will kick off in November and will run through April 2012.
Full schedules are now available.

For more information, visit http://www.sunquest.ca

##

So I guess it is safe to say that Westjet will be benefiting from the Thomas Cook Canada branded flying winding down.

[loadshed]

check the dates on that last post- it refers to the season that is just ending now.

[rudder]

So I guess it is safe to say that Westjet will be benefiting from the Thomas Cook Canada branded flying winding down.

I do not doubt that it will in fact be WJ that benefits from whatever the flight capacity realignment will be for TCNA. But I am curious what form it will take. The Jazz press release states that TCNA is getting out of the dedicated lift business in North America. So if Sunquest is going to cover some or all of the Thomas Cook Canada 757 lift then it will require an increase in capacity at WJ for winter 2012/2013.

Standing by for the next announcement. Will WJ acquire 757's of their own for use year round? It would solve the ongoing Hawaii problem. Or perhaps 737-900ER.

[ChallengerDan]

check the dates on that last post- it refers to the season that is just ending now.

That's correct. Means that Westjet was already flying Thmoas Cook pax. Now they might fly more.

[dream_big]

Right.....getting screwed with contract, westjet, non-unionized q400, US working conditions, near bankruptcy, canjet,sunwing,transat, non functional employee group......and your telling me Thomas Cook Jazz was the issue? That was never an issue. It never even effected AC. Its just an ACPA issue

[teacher]

Right.....getting screwed with contract, westjet, non-unionized q400, US working conditions, near bankruptcy, canjet,sunwing,transat, non functional employee group......and your telling me Thomas Cook Jazz was the issue? That was never an issue. It never even effected AC. Its just an ACPA issue

+1

[Mig29]

dream_big,

I wanted to say something about it too, but then I realized that there is no point....six 757s was the least of ACPA's problems.

[Mig29]

duplicate.

[mbav8r]

Prediction, Westjet wet leases 2 or 3 more 57s from TC UK and bases them out east.

[Hackmech]

This entire thread is useless, the flying has ceased as of the end of April, no sense dwelling on what or what will happen to TC's flying. Jazz has no control over this now. It would be more prudent to to focus attention on whats happening at the 96% of Jazz's revenue and prepare accordingly.

[Localizer]

Jazz pilots did a good job on the TC contract .. I'm sure the contract would have continued had TC not started sliding off the cliff into bankruptcy. In reality .. TC is pretty low on the "worries list" .. Air Canada is starting a slow slide down that same cliff.

Best wishes that both companies find better footing.

[unregistered]

TC not started sliding off the cliff into bankruptcy.

Would you care to elaborate on this comment?

[teacher]

http://www.kos-explorer.com/featured/th ... ankruptcy/

Just one article out of many that I found. They've managed to stabilize their finances but are still on shaky ground. Operating their own aircraft is expensive and it'd probably be cheaper to buy seats instead of having to fill their own planes until their financial situation improves. The 757s are also being retired.

[rudder]

It is cheapest to run their own lift provided the flights are full. Remember, TC is accountable for aircraft lease payments year round so the planes have to fly somewhere or be subleased seasonally. The problem is that with the overcapacity and depressed yields in the Canadian leisure market, sometime full flights do not mean profit. As far as the 757 is concerned, TC may accelerate its removal from service as part of their overall reorganisation. It will be interesting to see what the Sunquest air capacity plans are for 2012/2013. One competitive response may be a reduction in capacity. But WJ will be the ultimate beneficiary if the decision is to go to 100% seat capacity purchases on non-dedicated aircraft.

As far as the TC global situation is concerned, they have received bridge loans but it is on strict condition that they get their financial house in order. They are doing a balance sheet cleanup by selling some operations and closing storefronts, and they are clearly looking to mitigate or eliminate money losing ventures. Ultimately, there will have to be consolidation in the package tour business in Canada. It simply remains to be seen whom ends up with whom.

[teacher]

The problem is that with the overcapacity and depressed yields in the Canadian leisure market, sometime full flights do not mean profit. As far as the 757 is concerned, TC may accelerate its removal from service as part of their overall reorganisation.

Exactly, they know how many tours they sell and at what price and which ones they discount to move them. If they can sell 50 to 100 and make good money and another 100 at close to break even might as well buy 50 to 100 seats instead of running a 200+ pax aircraft. In the short term of course as economic forces allow for expansion.

[Localizer]

Would you care to elaborate on this comment?

TC not started sliding off the cliff into bankruptcy.

Would you care to elaborate on this comment?

What's there to elaborate on? It pretty much sums itself up. Do a quick google of Thomas Cook .. its no secret their having some serious financial issues. First they offloaded or trying to offload Condor .. now the north Amercian operation is taking a scale back.

Cheers.

[Mig29]

Would you care to elaborate on this comment?

TC not started sliding off the cliff into bankruptcy.

Would you care to elaborate on this comment?

What's there to elaborate on? It pretty much sums itself up. Do a quick google of Thomas Cook .. its no secret their having some serious financial issues. First they offloaded or trying to offload Condor .. now the north Amercian operation is taking a scale back.

Cheers.

I remember reading on this hiring website not that long ago that Thomas Cook UK and Thomas Cook Germany were in fact laying off guys and restructuring earlier this year. This latest news is no surprise at all...