Radio operators License

[snow-monkey]

Is it a requirment to carry the radio operates License along with your license booklet when flying?!

[goingmach_1]

Is it a requirment to carry the radio operates License along with your license booklet when flying?!

Yes.

[gustind]

viewtopic.php?f=54&t=72649

The correct answer lies within the above thread.

[snow-monkey]

Is it a requirment to carry the radio operates License along with your license booklet when flying?!

Yes.

Not sure what your sources were for that answer, but the correct answer is actualy no. Reason I was asking is that I've worked for two 704 ops now that never asked me for a copy, let alone expected me to carry it. I've been ramped before, inspector never asked for it. I am now working for a 703 company that wants me to carry it for line indoc. I was concerned the line indoc captain might not be cool with me showing up without the peice of paper, and didn't have time to fly across the country to go get it.... Turns out he realized it was not a requirment to carry it as well....

Thanks for the link.

[snow-monkey]

Alright everyone remember this and spread the word. There is no requirement to carry it only to present it as shown in 38 below.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regu ... lText.html
38. The holder of a radio authorization shall, at the request of an inspector appointed pursuant to the Act, show the radio authorization or a copy thereof to the inspector within 48 hours after the request.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts ... lText.html
“radio authorization” means a licence, certificate or authorization issued by the Minister under paragraph 5(1)(a);

5. (1) Subject to any regulations made under section 6, the Minister may, taking into account all matters that the Minister considers relevant for ensuring the orderly establishment or modification of radio stations and the orderly development and efficient operation of radiocommunication in Canada,
(a) issue
(i) radio licences in respect of radio apparatus,
(i.1) spectrum licences in respect of the utilization of specified radio frequencies within a defined geographic area,
(ii) broadcasting certificates in respect of radio apparatus that form part of a broadcasting undertaking,
(iii) radio operator certificates,
(iv) technical acceptance certificates in respect of radio apparatus, interference-causing equipment and radio-sensitive equipment, and
(v) any other authorization relating to radiocommunication that the Minister considers appropriate,

and may fix the terms and conditions of any such licence, certificate or authorization including, in the case of a radio licence and a spectrum licence, terms and conditions as to the services that may be provided by the holder thereof;

[azimuthaviation]

The reg to carry a radio license is the same as personal licensing, so do you not to carry your license when you fly either?

[snow-monkey]

Nope! I carry that little blue booklet thing. Just not the radio operators certificate. What's wrong with that bro?

[snow-monkey]

The reg to carry a radio license is the same as personal licensing, so do you not to carry your license when you fly either?

Can you link me to those regs you speak of?!? Quote it even? Reference number? Or are you just flying by the seat of your pants .

[ipilot54]

All of this is fine; if you stay in Canadian airspace. If you travel to the USA (and vice versa) you had better have your Radio licence with you!

That stands for both aeronautical and marine installations. I carry both.

[Cat Driver]

The reality is there are far more important things to be concerned about in aviation than something as insignificant as carrying your radio license with you.

I have been flying for fifty nine years in about sixty different countries and over thirty thousand hours of flying time.

How many times have I been asked to produce a radio license?

Never.

[snow-monkey]

Agreed. Definitely a requirment to carry it in the states, and internationally. But domestically in Canada, no.

When I was ramped in Syracuse, Newyork. FAA didn't even look at our licenses. Let alone our radio operating certificates.The purpose of this thread is legality. I was hoping to get some young ambitious flight instructor look up the regs for me. What I got was experienced guys voicing their opinion... So I gave up on being lazy and looked it up myself.

... Thanks

[azimuthaviation]

Can you link me to those regs you speak of?!?

Touche. I was looking at 401.03(1)d, and doesnt mention radio license...

However, that doesnt mean it is legal to transmit on an aircraft radio without physically holding the radio license. Recall that that license is not issued by Transport Canada but rather by Industry Canada so TC has no jurisdiction to say whether or not it must be carried.

If it is allowed to exercise the privileges of the license without being able to produce it, that would be in the IC regs. If we were betting, I would wager that it is a requirement to carry the license on board (if you are transmitting).

If one wants to search http://www.ic.gc.ca prove me wrong, the regs are just as long and convoluted as every other .gc.ca domain

[snow-monkey]

Can you link me to those regs you speak of?!?

Touche. I was looking at 401.03(1)d, and doesnt mention radio license...

However, that doesnt mean it is legal to transmit on an aircraft radio without physically holding the radio license. Recall that that license is not issued by Transport Canada but rather by Industry Canada so TC has no jurisdiction to say whether or not it must be carried.

If it is allowed to exercise the privileges of the license without being able to produce it, that would be in the IC regs. If we were betting, I would wager that it is a requirement to carry the license on board (if you are transmitting).

If one wants to search http://www.ic.gc.ca prove me wrong, the regs are just as long and convoluted as every other .gc.ca domain

If we were betting, I'd take your money. I'd feel bad about it If I hadn't already told you I just looked it up. IC says you need only produce it within 48 hours of being requested to do so..... And I'd say you'd have to have done somthing very bad or pissed someone off for that to happen.

38. The holder of a radio authorization shall, at the request of an inspector appointed pursuant to the Act, show the radio authorization or a copy thereof to the inspector within 48 hours after the request.

Again, I just wanted to make sure I didn't have to make a trip half way across Canada to get the stupid piece of paper in order to pass a line indoc.... I realize it's not a bad idea to keep it on you....

[snow-monkey]

Also just wanted to say that I am right and you are wrong... And generally be a dick about it. ;p

[DanWEC]

I have spoken to IC first hand about this previously to get a clear answer. Snow Monkey is correct. You do not have to carry it with you, just have to be able to provide it within 48 hours on request.

[azimuthaviation]

Also just wanted to say that I am right and you are wrong... And generally be a dick about it. ;p

Fair Enough

I have spoken to IC first hand about this previously to get a clear answer. Snow Monkey is correct. You do not have to carry it with you, just have to be able to provide it within 48 hours on request.

If a cop pulls you over for driving without your physical license they fine you 157 dollars, even though they can check right away if you have a license and that its valid. If the fish and wildlife cops catch you fishing without your license you go to court. Your business license has to be displayed in a conspicuous location at all times. But you have 48 hours to show your radio license when asked?? Even though youre in an airplane and can be literally anywhere on the planet in 48 hours.

Makes perfect sense...

[Colonel Sanders]

Makes perfect sense

The regulations don't have to make sense. However it can be very useful to know what they are, because sooner or later someone is going to ask you to do something silly, and you should know if you have to do it or not.

[Liquid Charlie]

Just to indicate how fk'd up this is -- there are a few here that will remember when they eliminated the radio license (are we that old Cat) and stamped your pilot's certificate - how easy was that -- but as pointed out - 2 different issuing agencies - typical government bullshit - I'm sure that it was discontinued over territorial pissing match ---- so there we stood -- having to spend time trying to get them to go back and retrieve a copy of said piece of paper when the policy changed again -- it was a goat show and I wasn't on top

[Cat Driver]

ahhhh....yes....and I still have my old ATPL with the green stripe on it and on the back is my radio license stamped in red letters......so if I was ever asked to produce my radio license would they accept that?????

[trey kule]

atpl....with a green stripe? My old cpl had a green stripe...atpl had a reddy type stripe IIRC.

This was interesting as it happens I used to do radio examinations...When the new blue booklet came out, my radio license stayed with my old paper licenses..I have converted my TC license and no one asked me about a radio license...and I noticed my ICAO english was also judged as excellent without the need for a test...common sense does prevail in parts of the world.

[Cat Driver]

Yes my old ATPL has a green stripe it folds in half so it will fit in a wallet the green stripe runs from the upper right hand corner to the lower left hand corner when the license is opened flat.

[justwork]

The reality is there are far more important things to be concerned about in aviation than something as insignificant as carrying your radio license with you.

I have been flying for fifty nine years in about sixty different countries and over thirty thousand hours of flying time.

How many times have I been asked to produce a radio license?

Never.

I've been asked 3 times. Each time I presented it and had no further discussion.

[Cat Driver]

I've been asked 3 times. Each time I presented it and had no further discussion.

Just for curiosity sake who asked you to produce it and why?

Has aviation changed that much lately that such an inane piece of paper that any village idiot could get is now so important?

[justwork]

I was always under the impression that I didn't have to carry it with me, and I never did for the first 5 years of my flying career. Recently I've been asked a number of times to present it. I questioned this the first time and was told that I did not have to carry it with me, but I had to prove that I had one in order to legally operate a radio, so how was I going to prove I had one without carrying it with me?

Again, I just wanted to make sure I didn't have to make a trip half way across Canada to get the stupid piece of paper in order to pass a line indoc.... I realize it's not a bad idea to keep it on you....

Is your mailbox halfway around the country? IC will mail you one after you speak to them over the phone for about 5 minutes. Call the IC branch that issued your certificate and you should have no problems having them mail you a new copy.

Cat, one CP and two ACP's. All gave me the same reasoning. Yes there are more important things to be worrying about, but this little piece of paper is the only thing you have that proves you've been trained and evaluated, meeting that strict standard, and can now operate your radio. Do you have to carry it with you? I guess not, if an inspector asks you to prove you meet IC's radio operating standards how else are you going to prove it though? why stoke the fire, just show them what they want.

[Liquid Charlie]

and I noticed my ICAO english was also judged as excellent without the need for a test

- That was figured out by simply noting in what language you receive your TC info in -- if you had the English box ticked you were automatically deemed proficient in English -- lard jezzus -- g'dee g'dee lets go down to the kerp for 'n ale -- go figure --

If you work for a carrier and were ramp checked - tell the inspector to call and get a faxed copy from your training file -- that always pisses them off -- lmfaoooooo