basic skilss/instincts

[Colonel Sanders]

What kind of landing was that? You didn't even approach, level out and flare

I learned it from . Norris. . Norris doesn't need to fly an approach or level off to land.

[Beefitarian]

Pretty slick.

[Lost Lake]

Sorry Col Sanders, us old guys just get defensive, forgetful, erectile disfunctional, forgetful, crusty, senile and forgetful. what was this post all about???

[LearjetJoe]

Question???

Do you think rudimentary flying skills will be left lacking in recently trained pilots who have received their training in new training aircraft equipped with the latest avionics and automation?

Regards,

LearjetJoe

[Colonel Sanders]

I know my opinion is worthless, but if I had my way,
every ab initio pilot would have his first 10 hours (and
solo) in a NORDO Piper Cub with no electrical system
on a grass strip and a crusty, grey-haired functioning-alcoholic
instructor in the back that would whack him over the
head with a map when the ball wasn't centered.

It would teach him:

1) to use his feet, and
2) to look outside, and
3) how to prime an engine
4) to hate maps (good for glass panels)

See learning factor of Primacy.

But seriously ... a friend of mine - died of old age years
ago - was taught to fly right after WWII by an ex-military
pilot that was quite something. He would bring a 12 pack
of beer and drink them during the flight, and throw the
empties out the window. My poor friend didn't know that
this was horribly wrong - he thought all instructors were
like that.

I am not making this up. I can pass this on, now that
everyone involved is long dead.

[G3]

To all that have been "around the patch" more than once.

What have your experiences been with Airline Cadet/Aviation College prodigies? What do you think will be the outcome once these pilots have their number come up and they slide over to the left seat and they have to deal with the real airplane if the "Magic" goes away? Especially if the air is "dark" and the WX is down.

We all know there is less lift in Dark Air!!!

Fly safe!!!!

G3

[Colonel Sanders]

Do you have any experience with child rearing?

There is more nonsense associated with the raising of
children, than any other human activity I can think of,
with the possible exception of offshore boat racing.

Some kids have horrible childhoods and grow up to
be great people.

Some kids have great childhoods and grow up to be the
next sadistic serial rapist/murderer.

I suspect that the same is true of pilot training. People
either take advantage of good experiences, and overcome
bad ones, or they don't.

[JDW]

Some kids have horrible childhoods and grow up to
be great people.

Some kids have great childhoods and grow up to be the
next sadistic serial rapist/murderer.

I suspect that the same is true of pilot training. People
either take advantage of good experiences, and overcome
bad ones, or they don't.

amen.amen.amen! that needs to be posted at the start of every new vs old argument! The student's personality probably has as much, if not more of an effect on what sort of pilot he becomes. Yes eventually we will see more and more glass and fewer tailwheels but id be willing to bet that the percentage of great hands and feet along with the percentage of hacks flying remain pretty constant.

[homesick]

Couldn't agree more. Flew with a new FO with barely 1000TT and 800 on type (NG) and I encouraged him to turn off all the gizmos and fly raw data. While he was screwing it up, there was a sense of realisation on his part almost immediately the corrections that need to be made. Once he has a few more hours under is belt, he will grow into an able pilot (I hope). This is in stark contrast to a guy I flew with earlier who has more TT and time on type than me and couldn't fly straight and level even with the FD's.

In my short experience, I have realised it's not how many hours you have, it's what you have done with those hours that counts.

Fly safe.

[Beefitarian]

I spend a lot of hours on here. I hope it helps.

[I_Drive_Planes]

Also not to be underestimated is the value of study and ground work. There was an interesting article in a recent Canadian Aviator issue about how study of a physical skill was almost as effective for keeping up skill level as actually performing the skill.

Not hard to verify that with student pilots. You can always tell who's been into their notes and books between flights and who hasn't. Many pilots (and student pilots) unfortunately don't have a single thought about flying until they set foot in the hangar - even worse probably not even until they're about to turn the starter, since it doesn't seem they can put their iPhones down before that instant.

I can vouch for that one. When I was learning to fly I was making 8 bucks an hour and getting some extra work here and there where I could. Quite often I was lucky to be able to fly once a month, but in between flights I would study obsessively everything I could get my hands on. My instructor told me that he was able to tell that I was hitting the books and that I was doing better than many of his students that were flying more often but not putting the effort in after the plane was tied down. I'm sure it took me more hours to do my licence than if I had banged it all off quickly, but keeping it constantly at the top of my mind kept the lessons fresh and helped me to retain what I had learned.

I still only fly a couple of hours a month on average, but I still study and read aviation related material constantly and I think that it helps maintain some semblance of proficiency.

I spend a lot of hours on here. I hope it helps.

Over the years I've gotten tons of good information from reading the posts of those who are far more experienced (and better written) than me.

[Beefitarian]

I was trolling but I know being here reading nearly everything has been very helpful. Sometimes you need to step back while guys cross swords but...