Rant..

[Brantford Beech Boy]

To the guy flying this thing in CYEV today (July 13, 2012),



Thanks A$$hole...for the full jet blast and gravel shower.

I guess Lockheed forgot to program airmanship into that modern miracle of aviation...

End rant.

BBB

[Mad Flying Ace]

Ditto

What a bunch of rock stars!

[jet a1]

They don't teach airmanship in the military... I asked.
Two weeks ago the new c130 parked beside us as we were about to taxi out with its wingtip almost over ours... There was barely enough room for us to taxi by. Atc says "well that was nice"
Oh well not their fault as its not taught to them... And military thinking isn't known for being outside the box.....the planes do look cool though!

[Flyboy757]

To ALL 3 of the above posters..........................Please don`t condemn all military pilots because of the action of a very few. THANK-YOU.

[cdnpilot77]

End rant.

BBB

That was a good one. I agree that not all are bad, but I have never had a good experience flying in the same area as a C130!

[Flyboy757]

End rant.

BBB

That was a good one. I agree that not all are bad, but I have never had a good experience flying in the same area as a C130!

So what were you flying and why were you in the same area as a C130? It`s not the most manouverable plane !!

[Rockie]

I of course cannot comment on the specifics ranted on here, but here are two general observations:

1. Military pilots learn an incredible amount in a very, very short time. The second pilot of that C17 likely had less than 1000 hours total flying time. Young inexperienced pilots flying C17's, C130's, CF-18's, EH-101's etc...some things are bound to happen from time to time. I challenge any one of you "rock stars" spewing disparaging generalities against military pilots to do as well with as little experience. And;

2. Civilian pilots have no idea what kind of "out of the box" thinking military pilots of all types are trained in and rely on day in day out.

Ranting against an individual for something stupid they did is one thing. But show a little respect for military pilots in general please.

[Guido]

End rant.

BBB

That was a good one. I agree that not all are bad, but I have never had a good experience flying in the same area as a C130!

Somewhat off-topic... but normally I'd be one of the last to come to the defense of the military, but I remember when I was a student pilot and got a little lost near Kingston while doing my 300 nm x-country on a hazy day... a helpful C-130 pilot doing practice approaches helped guide me in to the airport by leaving lovely smoke trails... good times.

Back on topic... I don't think BBB was trying to paint all military pilots with the same brush, so get your panties out of a bunch...

[Rowdy]

I love it! a rant directed at a specific crew for a VERY specific dick move.. and everyone seems to jump on the 'don't paint all military the same way' bandwagon. Maybe there IS a trend then? hahaha *dons flack jacket*

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[Brantford Beech Boy]

Fellas,

the rant was aimed at an individual, hence the "To THE GUY.." and a photo of the actual aircraft. Was not aimed at military pilots in general.

@Rockie:
I don't know about much these days but I was taught (well before I reched 1000, nay 250 hours) that you manoevre your aircraft on the ground in such a way as not to aim your prop wash/jet blast on people behind you and if forced to do so, use the bare minimum power/thrust to achieve the goal for the minimum amount of time. Part of that whole airmanship thing, but I see from these boards that that may be a dying art at times.....
I'm sure military pilots must think out of the box in, say, combat situations but a run-of-the-mill cargo drop at a peaceful civilian airport is not "outside the box".

BBB

[Rockie]

I don't know about much these days but I was taught (well before I reched 1000, nay 250 hours) that you manoevre your aircraft on the ground in such a way as not to aim your prop wash/jet blast on people behind you and if forced to do so, use the bare minimum power/thrust to achieve the goal for the minimum amount of time. Part of that whole airmanship thing, but I see from these boards that that may be a dying art at times.....
I'm sure military pilots must think out of the box in, say, combat situations but a run-of-the-mill cargo drop at a peaceful civilian airport is not "outside the box".

Like I said, I cannot comment on the specific incident and the individual may very well have been guilty of thoughtlessness. But then again maybe there were circumstances you don't know about either. I don't know because I wasn't there.

I won't bother to quote the posts making disparaging remarks against military pilots in general because they're just above this one for everyone to read.

Military pilots are trained to think outside the box in every situation, not just combat ones. It is necessary because of the unique tasks (peace time and war time) that they are charged with and their relative inexperience flying very sophisticated and expensive equipment, and in reality their training never stops. Military pilots spend a few years on a squadron and in that time they go from the new guy to the experienced one commanding a C17 training the next batch. That doesn't happen without extensive training on every single flight they do. There is no civilian comparison.

Airmanship is very much a part of their training.

[Liquid Charlie]

Well I am surprised that the was no marshaller mentioned -- I can't remember the last time I saw a military aircraft not bail out several grunts on headset to monitor the parking procedure and marshal the aircraft -- military is regimented and maybe -- just maybe the pilot was following someone else's poor judgement -- he relies on his ground crew to be his eyes -- phuck up for sure and I'm sure the guy should have call FSS to track down and warn someone that they had to park where they did -- who knows he might have had some higher brass asshole pushing him as well -- but having rambled on it could be as simple as stated and some arrogant, "my shit doesn't stink" attitude but that would be way outside SOP

Send them the bill for any damage

PS - recently happened in YK when WS filled a cpl engines full of gravel -- out of service for a while -- damn -- maybe the aircraft should not have been parked where it was but the consequence should have been obvious to that WS crew -- so either a brain in neutral or a "phuc 'em" attitude -- which is worse -----

[rob-air]

To the guy flying this thing in CYEV today (July 13, 2012),



Thanks A$$hole...for the full jet blast and gravel shower.

I guess Lockheed forgot to program airmanship into that modern miracle of aviation...

End rant.

BBB

Funny thing is that your tax money paid for that shower!

[126.7_STFU]

Well, there is only one thing we know for sure...

3 of the above users show signs of what we like to call the inferiority complex.

That being said, when this 172 started yesterday, I felt a gust of wind which a bit out of the ordinary for me at 0800 lcl. I personally enjoy the calm quiet mornings around here knowing I will be lifting off in a few moments to command and control the universe. I was caught off guard by the cranking and then finally the ignition of all 4 burners on this 172. This is why I have started contemplating if and when to start a thread condemning all 172 pilots.

End rant.

[Moose47]

"Somewhat off-topic... but normally I'd be one of the last to come to the defense of the military,"

Would you mind explaining why?

Cheers...Chris

[cgzro]

The Hercs that come into Gatineau are very good with their prop blast and I've never seen them do anything other than be cautious around all the little planes.

Now US military helicopters .. grrr .. they seem to aim straight for the light biplane on the ramp.

[Special K]

Last summer, I got showered with rocks/sand and such from a crew that happened to be flying a military helicopter in cyld. I even took a video the second time they did it....
They were maybe 20 feet above and 40 feet beside the king air as they went by. There were no other obstacles for them to go around. I don't really care what age/how much they learn in whatever amount of time/how little they fly....Look outside and have a little courtesy for others. I'd compare that to a cop throwing a garbage out their window while rolling down the highway.

Do I get a free pass for being part of the fire management program? No. If you want respect show respect.....

CYA
K

[Rockie]

Do I get a free pass for being part of the fire management program? No. If you want respect show respect.....

Nobody said anything about giving free passes. The point here is that just because someone does something inconsiderate does not mean that all military pilots are as inconsiderate. The suggestion that they are not taught airmanship is patently ridiculous.

I'm willing to bet there is not a single pilot here who has not been guilty of poor airmanship at one time or another, and I certainly include myself in that group. Are we all irredeemable assholes because of it?

[Johnny#5]

"irredeemable' is actually the word of the day....

YOU WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Special K]

I was gonna say that J5! Awesome word!

I just pictured the military in a higher regard then blasting others as they roll in and out of airports.
I almost did the leg work of trying to find out who it was.......but then I remembered that one day, when mother America comes to annex us, these guys will be out on the front lines being mowed down by A10s......so I figured they did deserve a pass.
K

[hoot]

Need a litle more info...where were you when this happened?

[SAR_YQQ]

Not defending your well placed rant, but let's look at the other side of the story.

A CC-177 is by no means a light airplane. Simply releasing the parking brake does not guarantee that the aircraft will roll. If you have ever flown heavy category aircraft, you will know that a fair amount of thrust is required to overcome some of Newton's laws. Would you have been so outraged if a 747-400 did the same in front of you? Danger areas behind high bypass turbofan engines are quite extensive.

Now to reiterate what I said at the start, I don't condone any actions nor can I criticize it either. I wasn't sitting in the seat, and neither were any of us. As military aviators we are all too aware of our jobs as stewards of the Canadian taxpayer. We set goals on being as courteous as we can when it comes to flying and sharing the skies. Please don't paint us all with this brush....

[Mad Flying Ace]

Not defending your well placed rant, but let's look at the other side of the story.

A CC-177 is by no means a light airplane. Simply releasing the parking brake does not guarantee that the aircraft will roll. If you have ever flown heavy category aircraft, you will know that a fair amount of thrust is required to overcome some of Newton's laws. Would you have been so outraged if a 747-400 did the same in front of you? Danger areas behind high bypass turbofan engines are quite extensive.

Now to reiterate what I said at the start, I don't condone any actions nor can I criticize it either. I wasn't sitting in the seat, and neither were any of us. As military aviators we are all too aware of our jobs as stewards of the Canadian taxpayer. We set goals on being as courteous as we can when it comes to flying and sharing the skies. Please don't paint us all with this brush....

As BBB mentioned, the rant was directed at one individual, and my response was intended for a play on words - ie. "rock star" - forgive the plural-ism from the original reply

In any case, to be clear, the original rant and following comment was directed to one individual, and not the whole organization.

BTW - excellent airshow up here in Inuvik - the whole town turned out and the military put on an excellent show!

Cheers

MFA

[ahramin]

Need a litle more info...where were you when this happened?

YEV

[hoot]

Need a litle more info...where were you when this happened?

YEV

Sorry I meant where on the airport