CAR 703 No More Standard Weights Effective End of July

[tsgas]

Just remember that today if you crash ,and it is discovered that the airplane was found to be overloaded, be prepared for a lawsuit. Even if you are killed in the crash they can still go after your family and estate. If a pax is injured or killed you could do jail time.

You can cheat TC but the laws of gravity apply for everyone.

[single_swine_herder]

What are operators using aircraft that are certified for more than 11 seats but are operating 703 (9 passenger seat configuration) doing? The segmentated weights are not to be applied for aircraft certified with more than 11 seats (as the circular said) and 703 operations are no longer allowed to use standard weights.

What are Metro/King Air operators going to do? Use actual weights when a Navajo can use segmentated weights??

Exactly the issue which prompted my original post Sponge. We aren't allowed to use segmented weights, so at this time..... its actual weights only. Ours are certified for 15 persons but operate in CAR 703 with Ops Spec 600.

The POI for our operation informed me that a moratorium is likely to take place because of no segmented weight info for larger AC, and other errors in the guidance material.

So .... by way of an update .... stand-by for more info soon.

[weelard]

where does it say in te CAR's that segmted weights are effected end of july....? and if it is when the 723.37 is amended...when is it getting ammended?

[spongebob]

where does it say in te CAR's that segmted weights are effected end of july....? and if it is when the 723.37 is amended...when is it getting ammended?

723.37

(3) weight of passengers, carry‑on baggage and checked baggage, where the weight of passengers and carry-on baggage is determined either by actual weight, or by using segmented weight values, either as published, or derived from statistically meaningful data using a methodology acceptable to the Minister, and where the weight of checked baggage and cargo is determined by actual weight;
(amended 2012/06/30; previous version)

[Bede]

Just remember that today if you crash ,and it is discovered that the airplane was found to be overloaded, be prepared for a lawsuit. Even if you are killed in the crash they can still go after your family and estate. If a pax is injured or killed you could do jail time.

You can cheat TC but the laws of gravity apply for everyone.

If you followed the TC approved W&B program, you will still get sued but your insurance company will probably settle prior to trial. You have insurance, so you'll likely be OK.

If you broke the rules, CofA is invalid and insurance will not cover any suit- you're on the hook on your own.

[Doc]

What are operators using aircraft that are certified for more than 11 seats but are operating 703 (9 passenger seat configuration) doing? The segmentated weights are not to be applied for aircraft certified with more than 11 seats (as the circular said) and 703 operations are no longer allowed to use standard weights.

What are Metro/King Air operators going to do? Use actual weights when a Navajo can use segmentated weights??

Exactly the issue which prompted my original post Sponge. We aren't allowed to use segmented weights, so at this time..... its actual weights only. Ours are certified for 15 persons but operate in CAR 703 with Ops Spec 600.

The POI for our operation informed me that a moratorium is likely to take place because of no segmented weight info for larger AC, and other errors in the guidance material.

So .... by way of an update .... stand-by for more info soon.

First off, I think actual weights are a far safer way to go. But if so, it should be industry wide. Herder's remark about "extra fuel stops", speaks volumes about the BS we've (as an industry) have been getting away with in the past. Calling a whale, a whale is the safer way to go.

[lilflyboy262]

We have been using these segmented weights for around 3 weeks now so we can get our schedule flights out on time.
I have found that they are more restrictive than actual passenger weights. In some cases we have gone and weighed our passengers and found them to be approx 300lbs under the segmented weight totals.

Personally, I like the idea of just painting a big X on top of industrial scales and tell everyone to walk out onto them with their carry-on.
No more hurt looks from the ladies when I ask them their weights.

[Doc]

Personally, I like the idea of just painting a big X on top of industrial scales and tell everyone to walk out onto them with their carry-on.
No more hurt looks from the ladies when I ask them their weights.

Just have a totalizer on the scales. I like it. I don't GARA what "Bertha" weighs. I just want the total "all up" no BS weight! Too simple for TC though. Makes too much sense and would fail to justify some fat F&*K's huge salary!

[weelard]

where does it say in te CAR's that segmted weights are effected end of july....? and if it is when the 723.37 is amended...when is it getting ammended?

723.37

(3) weight of passengers, carry‑on baggage and checked baggage, where the weight of passengers and carry-on baggage is determined either by actual weight, or by using segmented weight values, either as published, or derived from statistically meaningful data using a methodology acceptable to the Minister, and where the weight of checked baggage and cargo is determined by actual weight;
(amended 2012/06/30; previous version)

Can you send me the link to that please

[weelard]

where does it say in te CAR's that segmted weights are effected end of july....? and if it is when the 723.37 is amended...when is it getting ammended?

723.37

(3) weight of passengers, carry‑on baggage and checked baggage, where the weight of passengers and carry-on baggage is determined either by actual weight, or by using segmented weight values, either as published, or derived from statistically meaningful data using a methodology acceptable to the Minister, and where the weight of checked baggage and cargo is determined by actual weight;
(amended 2012/06/30; previous version)

Can you send me the link to that please

Nvm found it

[Lost Lake]

Another blow to beaver float operations. I'm not arguing the merits of this, just the financials. 4 adults @ 200 lb each, and 100 lb gear per guy = 1200 lb paylkoad. In my experience, the average american fisherman is 220 plus. They are going to have to raise rates in an already depressed market. TCAS is next.

Glad I never got into the ownership side of outfitting.

[Doc]

Another blow to beaver float operations. I'm not arguing the merits of this, just the financials. 4 adults @ 200 lb each, and 100 lb gear per guy = 1200 lb paylkoad. In my experience, the average american fisherman is 220 plus. They are going to have to raise rates in an already depressed market. TCAS is next.

Glad I never got into the ownership side of outfitting.

220? In their dreams. I can't see the down side of knowing that your 1200 pounds is really 1800 pounds? Maybe it'll make for safer operations across the board. As for upping the costs? Tough titty says the kitty.

[iflyforpie]

Yeah, when the spreader bars are under water, you might be a little overweight. Maybe they should put Plimsoll lines on float planes.

Been using passenger volunteered actual weights all summer and my average gross has gone down. Not that it mattered. If I have fat people, I take a bigger plane. If I have lots of fat people, I take two planes. If I only have one plane, I do two trips. It's all revenue, and more revenue is better!