Security

[delay256]

As a former flight instructor I had always noticed the constant lack of security at Flight Training Units with the ease of almost anybody easily being able to get on to the airside. Even when I worked out of controlled airports ; CYXU, CYKZ and CYTZ. The ramp people were not all that ever bothered as to who went where.

Many schools have the policy of keeping the keys and documents inside the airplane ?! Years ago before my time there was an incident where a homeless person got on airside and tried to start up on of the aircraft before being stopped by staff.

In the country where I currently reside , All pilots need an airport pass that needs to be approved by the Ministry of Interior that can take up to 6 weeks and involves a through background check and interview .|( Quite a tiresome and frustrating process )! I dont agree with such extreme measures but I do feel that its the responsibility of everybody on the field to be vigilant when it comes to security measures.

[Colonel Sanders]

8 foot high concrete walls with broken glass and razor wire
on top all the way around all airports would be a good start.

The only problem is that an airplane can fly into an airport from
somewhere else, over the 8 foot high concrete walls with broken
glass and razor wire on top. It's kind of an occupational hazard
of being an airport.

That "somewhere else" could be a grass strip or a farmer's field,
which generally don't have 8 foot high concrete walls with broken
glass and razor wire on top, all the way around.

I guess we need 8 foot high concrete walls with broken glass
and razor wire on top all the way around the entire country.
That would be good thing, wouldn't it?

Unfortunately I just remembered that aircraft can fly in from
other countries. I guess we need 8 foot high concrete walls
with broken glass and razor wire on top all the way around
all entire countries.

Not sure anyone cares about the facts, but prior to 9/11 the
suspicious Saudis, renting sims who later crashed the Boeings
into the buildings were reported to the local FBI agents in the
field. Those FBI agents reported their concerns to head office
in Washington who told them not to worry about it. Seriously.

[Beefitarian]

I vote 12 foot walls. I don't trust pole vaulters, they seem shifty.

[xysn]

Well, you'd be happy at CYOW then, airside doors have electronic locks, documents and keys stored with dispatch.

[Krimson]

How about a big box that covers the airport? When there's a departure or arrival, a hole will open up to fly through and then close not allowing anything else in. We could also weather control these boxes, always a visual after clearing the hole.

Once landed, you (with aircraft) are placed in a contamination chamber for 24 hours and put through various levels of testing and psych-evals. Once you prove you are not a threat, you may taxi in at your will.

[Krimson]

Seriously though, at some fairly large airports, I have walked up to security and said "I'm trying to get outside there, but the door is locked" and they just come over and open it for me without a question...Just in the main terminal with passengers sitting in the same area.

[CD]

The big watch and sunglasses gave you away...

[2R]

There is more insecurity than security at airports.
If they only knew how easy it would be for an inteligent person to circumvent the insecurity measures at most airports.You can drive a truck around most security measures.
When i pointed out some obvious flaws at YVR ,the security "team" was more interested in who i was than the flaws.It took them a whole week to close them.
Do they count how many baggage handlers go into an airplane, and how many come out of those international flights ?

[Colonel Sanders]

There is more insecurity than security at airports

+1

The real purpose of "airport security" (which is an oxymoron) is
the government trying to convince the citizens that air travel is
safe, which of course it isn't.

You could save billions of dollars and get rid of all conventional
airport security and stop all hijackings very easily, but most people
wouldn't like it. Here's how you do it:

During boarding, have every passenger touch the corpse of a
dead pig and pass out a loaded .32 pistol to every passenger
over the age of 18 that wants one. Pistols are returned at the
end of the flight, back into the barrel at the gate.

I know, I know, David Suzuki doesn't like it. Got that already.

[Beefitarian]

Just curious, why are the Israelis such a threat and by corpse are you talking about a BLT sandwich or am I going to need hand sanitizer here?

[Shiny Side Up]

There is more insecurity than security at airports

+1

The real purpose of "airport security" (which is an oxymoron) is
the government trying to convince the citizens that air travel is
safe, which of course it isn't.

Did you pack your bags yourself?

No. Carrot Top packed my bags. Him and Martha Stewart came over, cooked me a lovely lobster bisque, then we had an three way around the world, AND THEN THEY PACKED MY BAGS. Next question!

Have your bags been in your posession the entire time?

No. Last night, just as the moon was rising, I set my bags out on the street corner unattended for three or four hours, just for good luck. Next question!

Have any unknown persons asked you to carry anything on board?

Hmm, what is an unknown person? Surely everyone is known to someone. It seemed Aziz and Yusuf Ali-bin Gabba knew each other very well!

George knew what he was talking about.

[Bede]

Imagine if we eliminated airport security. Think about how unsafe it would be. It would be like getting on a bus, or train, or school or mall. Think about how dangerous that is.

[126.7_STFU]

Minus the fact that bus and trains can pull over / come to a stop straight ahead. School security is nothing new and malls are immobile. Taking out an airplane seems to be the holy work of many because it seems to guarantee casualties.

I personally do not want to be a passenger on board an airliner surrounded by other passengers who may have ak47s because it's their constitutional right to do so. So at days end, I will wait patiently in the security line up or drive.

[Brown Bear]

Imagine if we eliminated airport security. Think about how unsafe it would be. It would be like getting on a bus, or train, or school or mall. Think about how dangerous that is.

Which is how it SHOULD be. Other than the very rare beheading, bus and rail travel are very safe. I think we take security way to seriously. I make sure all my passengers at least cary a Swiss Arm Knife.

[Krimson]

Giving everyone a gun on board isn't such a bad idea. No one would want to get out of their seat without first announcing their intentions. Everyone would keep quiet for once and not do lunges up and down the isles for hours.

Or how about a vouching system. Everyone gets together before the flight and shares a few rounds. By the time you board, you need at least 3 non-related people to say you're a decent person to be allowed on board.

[Brown Bear]

Anybody know how much pre-flight "screening" in Canada costs, on an annual basis? Just the BOZOS in the terminal, pissing off the passengers?

[Krimson]

Thought of this thread when I was passing through a main terminal today. Went up to the security counter and said "Can I get out the door there to my plane?" The guy asked me if I had my license on me which I replied no, it's in the plane. He replies "Oh, you guys..." We get to the door and as he is opening it he says he doesn't know me and I could be anyone to him, so I should carry my license on me. Said thanks and was on my way.

[Grantmac]

Just give out knives:

[Geo]

How about a big box that covers the airport? When there's a departure or arrival, a hole will open up to fly through and then close not allowing anything else in.

So like this then? (at 0:55)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTC4dUXsgeo


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[SuperchargedRS]

The safest airport I operated out of, bunch of AG pilots who also live on the airport, probably averaging 2.5 firearms per pilot there, no fence, no BS wanabe cops, just some good ol' boys who dont like scumbags and dont miss.

It aint hard to spot someone on a field who doesn't have business there.

[Beefitarian]

It aint hard to spot someone on a field who doesn't have business there.

But I just wanted to look at the lots, pretend I could afford to live there, take my dog for a walk and hopfully watch some airplanes land.

[Masters Off]

What truely pisses me off is that there is such a stupid process to the whole thing. Majority of the rules that govern CATSA as I can gather are based on opinion and feeling. Sure you have to go through a metal detector, put our stuff on the belt and show a boarding pass, ID. I'm sure that lots of you can attest that if you give any bit of a hard time to any of the officers, they look at you specially. Not that you're a threat, but you're pissing them off (possibly) so then they can do the same to you. There's a good chance anyone trying to pass through security and cause terror/harm would probably be either nervous, quiet and/or quite cooperative. With that known,they still make sure you're the one randomly screened, now how is that safe?

Furthermore, how about the racist officers? CATSA is not immune to this, nor is any other workplace. Countless friends have been stopped by what I can only see is a race issue. Again, how is that base the organization on safety?

Asking if you packed your bags yourself, left them unattended, etc. I find is just asking the wrong questions. Why are CATSA officers not trained on behaviour analysis? (or if they are, it's pretty unclear). How about asking questions that give the correct responses? What about scanning techniques that can find things better, (People pass things like forks, knives, through the CATSA scanners daily).

You're all absolutely right. What a joke.

[cdnpilot77]

Anybody know how much pre-flight "screening" in Canada costs, on an annual basis? Just the BOZOS in the terminal, pissing off the passengers?

Not to exuse all CATSA reps but i believe in giving credit where credit is due. I actually witnessed an entire shift of polite and personable CATSA reps in security at YWG this afternoon. It was even embarassing for me when the pax's in front of me were acting like 3yr olds. This a$$hole and his wife threw a complete meltdown tantrum because the officers asked them if they had lighters in their carry on and asked the people to remove them! Apparently that was the beginning of the apocalypse.

What was worse was when he CATSA rep asked if I was associated with those people. I said loud enough for them to hear "absolutely not, I am a reasonable person!" which was followed by looks that would kill from those idiots! Some people are unbelievable! The security people were nothing short of remarkable in how they handled the situation and would have been well within their rights to toss them right out of the airport. A little entertainment on a Friday night I guess.