Play the CARS

[Liquid Charlie]

I understand it is completely OK for a pilot to work for more than one company. I also understand that monthly flight times must be be within what is set out in the CARS - the grey area for me is what about time off are you able to fly 14 days for a 705 operator and then go fly 702 and revert to the consecutive work days(zero in a million -- haha) or do you need to reset with 3 days off -

Any thoughts out there --

[snowbear]

The most restrictive rules apply to all. Ie 705 trumps 702.

[KK7]

You have to follow the rules that apply to the operation you're considering work in. You can fly to the limit in a 705 operation, and then have time left for 702. But the hours from each apply to each other.

Take the limits that apply to the operation you're considering a flight in, apply your hours, duty days, time free from duty to those regs, then you will have your answer whether you can fly today.

Above all, respect your own fatigue limits. Regulations don't necessarily reflect your personal limit.

[Liquid Charlie]

then have time left for 702.

So, if I understand this correctly - work 14 days straight under 705 and then you can work another 16 days if you were to switch to 702 (can't do it in reverse because 705 is more restrictive) - the only restriction is the flight times (30, 90, 365 and 7 day)and crew rest periods. Damn -- maybe we do need new legislation.

[tbaylx]

then have time left for 702.

So, if I understand this correctly - work 14 days straight under 705 and then you can work another 16 days if you were to switch to 702 (can't do it in reverse because 705 is more restrictive) - the only restriction is the flight times (30, 90, 365 and 7 day)and crew rest periods. Damn -- maybe we do need new legislation.

Only if you don't intend to work our 705 job again..there are min days off requirements that you'd have to meet. Any 705 operator i am aware of anyway you have to have company permission to work another flying job..not many will give it unless you take your vacation to go fly floats or something and it doesn't interfere with their scheduling you in the 705 world.

[KK7]

then have time left for 702.

So, if I understand this correctly - work 14 days straight under 705 and then you can work another 16 days if you were to switch to 702 (can't do it in reverse because 705 is more restrictive) - the only restriction is the flight times (30, 90, 365 and 7 day)and crew rest periods.

702 still requires 3 days off in the last 30, unless you have the Ops Spec then you can do up to 42, so you could potentially work 14 days in 705, then work 28 more days in 702 then you would get 5 days off. But you would no longer meet the requirements to work in 705 during that period.

Damn -- maybe we do need new legislation.

Amen to that. Lucky for me in my company our customers have more restrictive limitations than the CARs. Maybe they have a better understanding of the effects of fatigue than the regulators, and they know it looks bad on them if we have an accident.

[Elliot Moose]

I used to do it all the time and all for one company even.

I would fly a HS748 until I timed out on one thing or another, and then go jump into a Caravan and keep going until I timed out on that one. Then take enough time off to go back to flying whatever needed flying more.

One day I actually timed out after one or two trips on the big bird, said to the guy I was flying with "well I'm not safe to fly anymore because I'm timed out" and then walked across the ramp to a Caravan that was waiting for me and took off single pilot.

Only in Canada would you have such a stupid set of regs......