Citation X Training Course

Janod · Post by **Janod** » Sun May 29, 2005 7:56 am

Wondering if anybody could give me some information on the Flight Safety training course for the Citation X. I'm doing my initial training at the beginning of July and would like to prepare myself as much as I can before I get there (first time I get my hands on a Jet...). How is the course structured, how do you deal with loads of info, etc, etc. All tipps/infos are appreciated.
Speaking of first time Jet flyer... for all of you who have made the transition from turboprop to Jet, how did the first few flights turn out? What are the biggest problems you encountered (apart from just dealing with the speed increase), etc. Thanks in advance...!

'nod

yycflyguy · Post by **yycflyguy** » Sun May 29, 2005 8:59 am

Manufacturer: CESSNA CITATION
Aircraft : CITATION X (750)
Course Type: Pilot - Fixed Wing
Course Title: CE750 Initial/Transition/Upgrade Course - 19 days
Description: This is a 19-day course. Flight training is done using Level D simulators. A CE750 type rating may be obtained through successful completion of the course. U.S. and ICAO pilots with Commercial certificates may obtain a U.S. ATP certificate and type rating at the same time. Contact the center for details.

Notes: Available at the Wichita, Columbus, and Toledo FlightSafety training centers. The course will be available at the new FlightSafety training center at Orlando, Florida during 2004. This course is FAA- and JAA-approved.

This was taken from FSI website http://www.flightsafety.com/aircrafttyp ... NpdGF0aW9u scroll down to the CE750 courses. I have only had 1 FSI experience for the Lear jet. The ground school course and instructors are top notch and they definately put you through your paces on the simulator. As you mentioned in your post the biggest differences I found going from a turboprop to a jet was your speed planning in climb. If you have a low level-off after take off you need to be pulling out power almost immediately after the gear is up, if not you will blast through your altitude and/or your speed restriction within a terminal area or below 10,000. Unless you were on a King Air 300 series you will find the EFIS situational awareness on the Citation X a god send... how did I ever navigate before! There are a few more things to think about at Fl 450 than at Fl 210 wth the pressurization emergencies but FSI will train you on it.

Congratulations on the job! That is a big difference going from a prophead to the fastest business jet on the market.... you will enjoy the mach .92 cruise!!!!

Anti-Ice · Post by **Anti-Ice** » Sun May 29, 2005 9:37 am

Congratulations,

I don't have any info on the C-X for you. I just wanted to say good job.
The X is one of my favorite airplanes and someday I hope to fly one myself. I did do a Flight Safety course for a turbo prop and it was top notch. They will make sure you are prepared. I found it helpfull to read the POH through before going, although once I arrived they commented on how they don't want people memorizing all the emergency procedures. This is because they give you their own Flight Safety checklists that differ from the POH checklists. The people who memorized the factory POH ones had a hard time transitioning to the better more efficient FS checks.

I'd recommend calling the training center and asking to speak to a C-X ground school or sim instructor and ask what they recommend.

Panama Jack · Post by **Panama Jack** » Sun May 29, 2005 10:12 am

My suggestion, get your hands on the limitations and start learning them cold. Regardless of the aircraft you go on, you will always need to know this. Let the instructors teach you what you need to know systems-wise. Knowing the limitations will allow you then to dedicate additional time to systems studies during the course.

Hickory Stick · Post by **Hickory Stick** » Sun May 29, 2005 2:24 pm

Did a Flacon 20 initial in April in DFW, now out of a job with a wothless Type Rating. Too bad Knighthawk folded.

Anyway, not much difference between jet or turboprop groundschool in terms of how much you have to know. I know I was freaking out about information overload.

You will find that in the end it all comes together. Anyway, the difference I noticed is you have to keep your eye on the EPR and speed when you do your circuits, youll accelerate to 250 Kts before you know it.

Congrats, and I hope your company stays around.

Cheers.

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Sun May 29, 2005 3:52 pm

I have one tip for you, friend. When you're sitting up there at 51,000 feet look down on the world and feel damn good about yourself...do that for those of us that will never have the chance.

Good luck.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Sun May 29, 2005 9:35 pm

I just got back from my recurrent at FS Wichita, not on a jet anymore but the training is the same.

They will hold your hand through all of it. Study at night, do the homework they give you, and it will seem relatively easy.

I use cue cards for all the power settings, speeds and memory items. I flash through them numerous times a day and when you need the info, it is in your head. I wish I had used them in high school.

FS has all the profiles and procedures for you to use, do what they say, and it isn't any different than any other airplane, except prettier and faster.

joe to go · Post by **joe to go** » Sun May 29, 2005 10:26 pm

Janod,

You're not MR are you?

Snow Monkey · Post by **Snow Monkey** » Sun May 29, 2005 10:28 pm

Couple of books you may want to check are Fly the Wing and Handling The Big Jets, they will give a decent intro into jet flying. As well you may want to check any info on high alt. weather and operations. Congrats on the new gig.

Janod · Post by **Janod** » Mon May 30, 2005 12:35 am

Thanks very much boys & girls... info very much appreciated. Thanks also for the congratulations... it's my biggest dream come true to get my hands on this plane. The only thing I need now is to freeze my little soldiers before they get ruined from FL510 radiation levels

Deskgo: Thanks... I'll be sure to appreciate it!
Joe to go: Yeah it is. What's up buddy...?! Drop me a line if you still have my email...

Continued best luck to everybody. I know aviation can be a b*tch, but it goes to show that good things do happen if you're persistent.

Panama Jack · Post by **Panama Jack** » Mon May 30, 2005 3:22 am

Janod wrote:The only thing I need now is to freeze my little soldiers before they get ruined from FL510 radiation levels

Here we go with the complaining . . . already!

bizjet_mania · Post by **bizjet_mania** » Mon May 30, 2005 4:59 am

There have been some X guys sterolized by the radiation levels. Hey Janod, where are you going to be based?

Janod · Post by **Janod** » Mon May 30, 2005 9:35 am

Expat in Switzerland... but the company flies out of Baden-Baden (Germany). But hoping to come back to Canada in a few years... maybe a few hours on the X will help the ol' file at AC.
Cheers everybody...

JohnnyHotRocks · Post by **JohnnyHotRocks** » Mon May 30, 2005 2:25 pm

Are you on the July 11 course?? If so, we're on the same one. You can PM me for more info.

John

bizjet_mania · Post by **bizjet_mania** » Mon May 30, 2005 2:36 pm

Janod, Don't be surprised if you don't want to come back. Beautiful plane in a beautiful country, I am sure you'll have a great time.

pika · Post by **pika** » Mon May 30, 2005 7:59 pm

If I knew then what I know now I would try to relax and enjoy my first jet course. You'll get through it fine. If you feel like you know nothing and are worried about washing out it means you are right on schedule. Have some fun.

flyboy · Post by **flyboy** » Mon May 30, 2005 9:47 pm

If you can get your hands on the emergency procedures, learn the memory items cold before you get there, it will help with the sim sessions.
Otherwise you'll be fine FS does a great job and courses are structured in a manner that takes you from knowing nothing to passing a ride.
Have fun, I'm jealous it's one of my favorite airplanes.

U/S · Post by **U/S** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:20 am

Nice one Janod a X! Nothing like skipping all the stuff in the middle eh? I am going on my first jet course shortly as well, fancy jet but not that fancy. I'm a little worried too so its nice to read the replies you got. I always told newbies going on course for turbo-props for the first time "don't worry they are there to teach you what you need to know you arent't expected to know it all before you get there" I guess I should listen to my own advice. Congrats