To clear a few items up in this thread:
NEVER forget, that a Union, is a by-product, of bad senior management. It is that and only that, right from the begining, and all the way to the end.
Dec 2012 retirements:
No forced retirements on any day of Dec 2012, as the retirement date, is always the first day of the month following your 60th birthday. It is not from Dec 15th, when the actual Federal Law comes into effect. Nov 30th 2012, was the last day, that forced retirements were in effect.
Court:
Fly Past 60 FP60
www.flypast60.com
AC
acpa
SCC Supreme Court of Canada
FC Federal Court of Canada
FCA Federal Court of Appeals
FP60 and others waiting for SCC to issue their response, to see IF...they will grant Leave to Appeal the FCA ruling on the Constitutional Issue of age discrimination etc. That is expected, sometime later in the New Year.
FP60 and others, are waiting for FC dates. There were dates in Jan 2013, BUT, acpa, was not able to attend the available dates. So the Court schedule will be later in the New Year.
This issue, is about AC and acpa, obtaining support for their CHRT ruling, that the Normal Age of Retirement, and the BFOR, are applicable, with the preceding FC ruling/guidelines.
In 2011, the CHRT said that Air Tindie, and
NOT West Jet, AirTransat, and others, were preforming similar work as AC pilots. Ummmm. Air Tindie with aprx. 75 pilolts, was a (the only) legal comparison to AC, with 3100 pilots, and world services on jumbo jets etc. That ruling was a direct legal error, as the FC, had already approved the guidelines for the comparisons. The CHRT legally, can not, change a higher court ruling, in this case, the FC approved guidelines. That stunt, has caused over 2 year delay in this issue. Wonder who tinkered with the case?
The CHRT with a brand new chairperson, ruled in AC and acpa favour, by changing the guidelines, and throwing out West Jet, Air Transat, and others. So, the FC will have to rule on that one.
BFOR
See the FP60 website for information on the test to see who can and can not use the legal guidelines.
If....BFOR was available to acpa, would they now not be using it, to force more pilots out of AC, as of DEC 01 2012?
Will be interesting to see how the FC rules on that issue, when it finally gets to court, sometime in the New Year.
Pilots who were force retired, have the right to go and fly for whom they wish. Just as any pilot does. If the juniors are mad because the age 60 force retired pilots are looking for, flying jobs, then they should have had acpa keep them at AC after age 60. (prior to Nov 30 2012)
If you juniors are mad, be mad at the problem, acpa. They pissed away over a 100 million dollars in bargaining captial, by not getting one red cent, for the age 60 rule change from the Federal Government. It was not a rule change by the FP60 group, it was from the Federal Government, and it affected over 800 thousand persons in Canada. Nothing to do with the 200 pilots who are in the FP60 group.
