I really appreciate the time and effort invested by Gilles in trying to fix the foreign pilot issue.
I just wanted to clarify the definition of a “foreign pilot”, I am a Canadian citizen born and raised abroad.
I came here as a resident permanent and became Canadian a few years later.
Seriously I am very proud of being Canadian and I love this country, I speak both official languages, I live here, bought my house here, my kid was born here and I pay taxes like everyone else.
I believe that this has been already discussed in another forum however I wanted to make sure that this is crystal clear for everyone because I sense that this issue may have a negative impact in myself and those in my same situation.
Thanks for your time
Foreign pilot definition
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Foreign pilot definition
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Gilles Hudicourt
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Re: Foreign pilot definition
I am exactly in your situation ML.
In 1989, I went to the Canadian Embassy in my country and told them I wanted to Immigrate to Canada. I was already a pilot with a couple thousand hours. The Immigration Officer told me that I would need a Canadian Pilot's licence if I wanted to immigrate as a pilot. I went to Canada (Ottawa Flying Club), wrote my exams, took a flight test and came back to my country to show him a Canadian ATR. Ten days later, I received a letter: I was to come by the embassy and collect my Permanent Residence Visa for myself and my family.
For me, there was never any possibility of flying commercially in Canada on a FVLC based on my FAA ATPL. Nor was it possible to go work in Canada without becoming a permanent resident, and most of all, it was not possible for me to go fly for a Canadian Airlines and not have to pay income taxes, EI and CPP in Canada.
How things have changed............
Gilles Hudicourt
In 1989, I went to the Canadian Embassy in my country and told them I wanted to Immigrate to Canada. I was already a pilot with a couple thousand hours. The Immigration Officer told me that I would need a Canadian Pilot's licence if I wanted to immigrate as a pilot. I went to Canada (Ottawa Flying Club), wrote my exams, took a flight test and came back to my country to show him a Canadian ATR. Ten days later, I received a letter: I was to come by the embassy and collect my Permanent Residence Visa for myself and my family.
For me, there was never any possibility of flying commercially in Canada on a FVLC based on my FAA ATPL. Nor was it possible to go work in Canada without becoming a permanent resident, and most of all, it was not possible for me to go fly for a Canadian Airlines and not have to pay income taxes, EI and CPP in Canada.
How things have changed............
Gilles Hudicourt
Re: Foreign pilot definition
Hi Gilles
In my case I applied through a skilled worker program (I have a degree in another discipline), when I came to Canada I was already a CPL Multi-Ifr
with a few hundred hours total time.
Although I was a Canadian Resident and the fact that I brought all the documentation and logbook certified, translated and stamped by the local aviation authority and even the Canadian embassy I couldn’t even get a recreational pilot license in exchange.
I was told that I had to go to a flight school and pass all exams again from PSTAR, CPL, IFR and even pass all the flight tests again. So I had to work in another field to save the money I needed for my training, and after spending few thousand dollars and passing all tests again (written and practical) I finally got the Canadian CPL two years later.
Thanks again for all the hard work.
In my case I applied through a skilled worker program (I have a degree in another discipline), when I came to Canada I was already a CPL Multi-Ifr
with a few hundred hours total time.
Although I was a Canadian Resident and the fact that I brought all the documentation and logbook certified, translated and stamped by the local aviation authority and even the Canadian embassy I couldn’t even get a recreational pilot license in exchange.
I was told that I had to go to a flight school and pass all exams again from PSTAR, CPL, IFR and even pass all the flight tests again. So I had to work in another field to save the money I needed for my training, and after spending few thousand dollars and passing all tests again (written and practical) I finally got the Canadian CPL two years later.
Thanks again for all the hard work.
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Gilles Hudicourt
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Re: Foreign pilot definition
They had me do the Radio Licence written exam, the IFR written, the two ATR writtens and one IFR ride in a twin.
Re: Foreign pilot definition
Hello Mustang06,Mustang06 wrote:I really appreciate the time and effort invested by Gilles in trying to fix the foreign pilot issue.
I just wanted to clarify the definition of a “foreign pilot”, I am a Canadian citizen born and raised abroad.
I came here as a resident permanent and became Canadian a few years later.
Seriously I am very proud of being Canadian and I love this country, I speak both official languages, I live here, bought my house here, my kid was born here and I pay taxes like everyone else.
I believe that this has been already discussed in another forum however I wanted to make sure that this is crystal clear for everyone because I sense that this issue may have a negative impact in myself and those in my same situation.
Thanks for your time
I am guessing you have a Canadian licence, a Canadian passport and you said you pay Canadian taxes, so those three make you a Canadian pilot the way I see it.
You have nothing to worry about, no one cares where you came from, or what other languages you speak. In my books it is as simple as that. If someone does have an issue, first they have crap for brains, second well crap for brains should be enough.....This foreign pilot issue has nothing to do with whether or not a pilot was born in Canada or not, it has to do with companies bringing in non-Canadian pilots to fly for Canadian companies when there is no shortage of pilots here in Canada and there-by taking away jobs from CANADIANS. ( Canadians includes you and I).
Regards,
Matthew Jackson
60N30W
PS is "Mustang" a reference to Top Gun or did you fly KC-135 for USAF at one time?
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Thanks Matthew for your nice words, I do have the three things you mentioned, so I guess no doubt I am a Canadian pilot.
Regarding my username, I like the Ford Mustang (the old one) and the P-51.
Fly safe,
Mustang
Regarding my username, I like the Ford Mustang (the old one) and the P-51.
Fly safe,
Mustang
