YOW Feb 9

[Goodwrench]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/st ... field.html

Another to add to the list.

[jg24]

Was wondering how long it was gonna take for someone to bring it up

[Aviationtech]

http://www.ottawasun.com/2013/02/09/sma ... slack-road

[AllClutch]

Too much air in the tanks?

[Cat Driver]

From the picture it looks like the right engine might have been feathered.

Maybe they lost the engine and had to feather and for some reason did not make it to an airport?

It is not reasonable to think anyone would feather an engine in the winter just for training...is it??

[Redneck_pilot86]

From the picture it looks like the right engine might have been feathered.

Maybe they lost the engine and had to feather and for some reason did not make it to an airport?

It is not reasonable to think anyone would feather an engine in the winter just for training...is it??

I zoomed in on the pic, and can't even see the left prop, yet the right prop is quite obvious...are you looking at the same picture as I am? From the link? I would lean more towards the left engine being the feathered one.

Additionally, unfortunately, I know Cornwall Aviation used to require an inflight shutdown of an engine, to be accomplished at something like 4000' and something like greater than -10 at altitude. I did this in January of 08. In hindsight it seems like a pretty stupid idea, but at the time I was young and dumb and willing to do what I was told.

[Cat Driver]

With a picture that low resolution it is a bit difficult to really see detail.

However the right prop is almost horizontal and does not seem to be damaged.

Can't really tell where the left prop is, maybe it was under power and was torn off??but why is the spinner still there?

Shouldn't be long before someone clears this up.

As to feathering an engine on a piston engine airplane in below freezing temperatures for training purposes that is just plain stupid.

[KAG]

I used to teach at Perimeter. We did full feather DEMO's all year round - One didn't restart.
We also did stalls, in all configurations. Dumb.
After one fun day of stalls and getting a secondary stall with a wing drop it was decided that maybe doing this was a bad idea.
We do a lot of foolish things when inexperienced because were told to.

Anyway back to topic, regardless of reason I’m glad no one was hurt.

[Redneck_pilot86]

With a picture that low resolution it is a bit difficult to really see detail.

However the right prop is almost horizontal and does not seem to be damaged.

Can't really tell where the left prop is, maybe it was under power and was torn off??but why is the spinner still there?

Shouldn't be long before someone clears this up.

Agreed, its tough to tell off that pic. My reasoning is the same as yours, the left spinner is there and undamaged, I think the angle of the pic is from the front enough that the left prop, if feathered, would be just a blade and tough to see, I think it might be visible just slightly against the left side of the engine cowling and slightly lower than horizontal, but that could just as easily be a blade of grass or strip of paint.
CADORS will tell soon...care to wager on it?

[Cat Driver]

What leads me to think the right engine was feathered is the blades do not seem to have any strike damage on them from hitting the ground under power.....

care to wager on it?

No, because there is not enough evidence to wager on.

[Colonel Sanders]

Good job!

[captcrunch2013]

I looked at all the pics and the video, both props
appear to be horizontal.

This one will make interesting reading.

[pelmet]

I must have two hundred hours in the Duchess, maybe a bit less. I really liked flying it but it is unbelievable how many times this aircraft has been damaged. Well, now they have two of this type. Just heard recently about another prop scraping. Saw them towing the aircraft from the south field to the north field a few years back after another gear up. One of several of these incedents with I believe one incident due to a mechanical failure causing a gear up landing.

However, the most interesting gear up story happened maybe 15 years ago. Like many retractables, the Duchess has protection from accidental gear up selection on the ground. It is based on pitot tube pressure. If below 75 knots and the gear is selected up while on the ground, nothing should happen. Above 75 knots...different story. Rotation speed is 71 knots.

Anyways, the plane was in the hangar for maintenance and it was up on jacks having its gear swung repeatedly. Then it was taken off the jacks. There must have been some sort of reported airspeed indicator problem as well, so as a quick check one of the AME's was going to blow gently into the pitot tube while the other one observed a positive airspeed indication. For some unexplained reason, the AME who was to be in the aircraft observing the airspeed indicator selected the gear up just like he had been doing while on jacks. The handle stayed in the up position and nothing happened. Anyways, when the another AME(remember good old George Chimirri) who was unaware of the mistaken gear up selection blew into the pitot tube, the nosegear collapsed.

I believe there was another maintenance damage event where the tail was being held down while on jacks by tying it to a pipe solidified in a pail of hardened concrete, but the pipe came loose from the concrete and the aircraft nosed over.

Many years ago, unbelievably, a well known pilot in the community, actually flew this aircraft non-stop from Winnipeg to Ottawa and landed on fumes. I guess the lineboy decided to report that it needed 99 gallons in its 100 gallons of capacity.

[grimey]

Good job!

I was going to say this just to piss you off.

[shitdisturber]

Hard to tell but that looks like the experimental farm they landed in, on, whatever. There've been so many airplanes come to rest in that field over the years since I was a high school student in Nepean they really should consider putting an emergency runway in there.

[DanWEC]

It's a bit further south of the farm, near Slack rd and Woodroffe- Only a few blocks from where that light single went down 6 months ago at Fallowfield and Merivale... Given the location, it seems it was in the circuit or very close to it. No idea what would have happened. No way they were doing shutdowns and air starts in the zone either. I'll hold off on the speculation for the most part, but given it's a twin I'll just say that I bet it's fuel related in some aspect.

[Colonel Sanders]

a well known pilot

Not sure if you heard or not, but Dennis died last fall,
NOT in an airplane, btw.

A lot of people didn't like Dennis, but I was a big fan
of his. He could really fly an airplane.

[pelmet]

Thanks Mr. Colonel.

I did hear about this. A real tragedy and also a great loss of a GA advocate. I know he was controversial in some ways but I found him to be a really friendly guy who provided me a lot of good information over the years. He also asked the tough direct questions that some might tend to ignore.

[switchflicker]

An old boss of mine used to say 'You don't feather the engine. You feather the PROPELLOR'

Sw

[Cat Driver]

An old boss of mine used to say 'You don't feather the engine. You feather the PROPELLOR'

Ahhh..yes semantics.

Would your old boss understand what to do if one of the engines started to self destroy and you said to him lets feather that engine before it is to late?

[Siddley Hawker]

Feather the prop and cage the engine. Or was that the artificial horizon?

[switchflicker]

AAAA Dispatchhhh

We're coming back with the right prop standing at attention.

Please let maintenance know

Sw

[jpilot77]

Is Ottawa the Canadian equivalent of the Bermuda Triangle? Last couple of years has been pretty bad around Ottawa.

[grimey]

Is Ottawa the Canadian equivalent of the Bermuda Triangle? Last couple of years has been pretty bad around Ottawa.

Years? Lets see, in the last 8 months or so we've had:

-A WACO flipped landing at Rockcliffe, non-fatal
-Katana engine failure out of YOW, landed in a field, non-fatal
-brand new TBM 700 crashed near Calabogie from flight levels, 25000+ hour pilot dead.
-a small cessna crashed between (sort of, WAY east of track) Arnprior & Smiths Falls, non-fatal
-float plane flipped on the Ottawa River in relatively cold weather, somehow non-fatal
-the Beech this week sounds a lot like a repeat of the Katana, with slightly worse results, non-fatal

Oh, and:
-gear up Mooney last week at Rockcliffe

I'd be shocked if i haven't missed one.

[costermonger]

Additionally, unfortunately, I know Cornwall Aviation used to require an inflight shutdown of an engine, to be accomplished at something like 4000' and something like greater than -10 at altitude. I did this in January of 08. In hindsight it seems like a pretty stupid idea, but at the time I was young and dumb and willing to do what I was told.

Think a real shut-down/secure demo was required prior to the 2010 re-think of the ME rating flight instructor/flight test guides. Terribly bad idea in the winter, but I think it was pretty common as the flight test recommend form required the instructor to declare that they'd done it. Only real shut down I've done since my initial training was in an aircraft with unfeathering accumulators. That's a lot easier restart than abusing the hell out of the poor starter.

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Never flown a Duchess (loads of time in Piper's doppelgänger) but it shouldn't have trouble maintaining altitude on one good engine down low on a cold day, should it?