The F-35 is not dead

[frosti]

[imarai]

Exactly the response I was hoping for..

[Mostly Harmless]

This sums up why drones cannot replace manned fighters for some time to come.

http://www.popsci.com/technology/articl ... t?page=all

[MUSKEG]

Had it been a two engine drone it would have faired ok.

[bizjets101]

F-35 fleet currently grounded; Flight Global.

[shimmydampner]

U.S. grounds entire F-35 fighter fleet after cracked engine blade found in plane

How's that ultra-modern, never-fail, marvel of modern technology engine that you'd trust your life to look now?

[shitdisturber]

U.S. grounds entire F-35 fighter fleet after cracked engine blade found in plane

How's that ultra-modern, never-fail, marvel of modern technology engine that you'd trust your life to look now?

Hey, you can still glide a fighter after an engine blade fails and the engine self-destructs; I even know a guy who did it! Of course he was pretty much right over the runway he landed on when it let go and he was flying a T-bird, not an aircraft that can't maintain flight without it's computers but the principle is the same right?

[frosti]

First "issue" I've heard regarding the engine during testing phase. Seems that the testing and evaluation phase is working as it should. Finding issues before they affect real operations.

U.S. grounds entire F-35 fighter fleet after cracked engine blade found in plane

How's that ultra-modern, never-fail, marvel of modern technology engine that you'd trust your life to look now?

Did the engine fail? No it didn't. They found one crack on one blade on one turbine disk. It's called routine inspection and since its in testing phase they probably inspect it more frequently. Non issue.

[trampbike]

U.S. grounds entire F-35 fighter fleet after cracked engine blade found in plane

How's that ultra-modern, never-fail, marvel of modern technology engine that you'd trust your life to look now?

Are you serious?
I would be much more concerned if nothing wrong at all was found with the engine during the whole testing phase...

[Rockie]

I would be much more concerned if nothing wrong at all was found with the engine during the whole testing phase...

I would be shocked myself, and would be even more shocked if nothing ever went wrong once the airplane leaves testing phase. That's pretty much the whole argument against operating a single engine fighter in Canada's far north isn't it?

Did the engine fail? No it didn't. They found one crack on one blade on one turbine disk. It's called routine inspection and since its in testing phase they probably inspect it more frequently. Non issue.

Non issue? I don't think so. It proves the ridiculously obvious fact the engine is subject to mechanical faults just like everything else. The challenge here is getting certain people to recognize the implications of that.

[frosti]

I would be shocked myself, and would be even more shocked if nothing ever went wrong once the airplane leaves testing phase. That's pretty much the whole argument against operating a single engine fighter in Canada's far north isn't it?

One will probably crash due to an engine issue. So?

Non issue? I don't think so. It proves the ridiculously obvious fact the engine is subject to mechanical faults just like everything else. The challenge here is getting certain people to recognize the implications of that.

There are faults and there are failures. This was a fault that will be fixed, just like all the other faults that are found during testing. Like I said, a non issue.

[Rockie]

One will probably crash due to an engine issue. So?

Careful frosti. You're in direct violation of the government doctrine of no engine failures...ever. Keep this up and they'll be knocking on your door to revoke your CPC membership.

[Chuck Ellsworth]

One will probably crash due to an engine issue. So?

How about if it crashes into a high density residential area?

Oh...I forgot it is collateral damage for a war plane.

[Old fella]

One will probably crash due to an engine issue. So?

Careful frosti. You're in direct violation of the government doctrine of no engine failures...ever. Keep this up and they'll be knocking on your door to revoke your CPC membership.

……….. or to confirm your residancy or to make sure you are not one of those who feel “I am entitled to my entitlements”

[frosti]

One will probably crash due to an engine issue. So?

How about if it crashes into a high density residential area?

You mean like this one? http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/02/us/virginia-f-18-crash

Hey look, it had two engines and according to some members they can't crash due to engine failures.

[Rockie]

How about if it crashes into a high density residential area?

They used to say if you ever wanted to own a Starfighter all you had to do was buy a piece of land in Germany and wait.

Hey look, it had two engines and according to some members they can't crash due to engine failures.

I don't recall anybody ever saying that. Could you please provide a reference or quote?

[frosti]

It's ground hog day all over again.

I'm bracing myself for the onslaught of ignorance.

[Chuck Ellsworth]

It's ground hog day all over again.

I'm bracing myself for the onslaught of ignorance.

Reading your posts since you started on this forum it would appear you are quite young and not yet anywhere near qualified to work as a pilot.

Rockie is a senior pilot flying heavy jets and formerly was flying fighter jets in the air force.

Maybe you might consider how it would be for you sitting next to him as an FO if you ever get that far.....

....then again maybe he needs someone like you to enlighten him so he is no longer ignorant.

P.S.

I had a few with your attitude over the years and the best use I could find for them was straight and level autopilots...

Then again I am one of the ignorant ones.

[Rockie]

Turn around and put your back to the wind frosti.

[frosti]

Reading your posts since you started on this forum it would appear you are quite young and not yet anywhere near qualified to work as a pilot.

I never claimed to be a pilot nor do I aspire to be one however I do deal with them everyday....sometimes weekends! It's pretty easy to correct those who are getting out of line with ground crew. Since we are the topic of "pilots are gods", current F35 test and operational pilots love the thing. I'll trust their word over anyone claiming to be anything over the internet. Unless you fly the F35 yourself of course.

[frosti]

Getting back to the topic..... I can't even count the number of modifications or special inspections the F404 has had over its lifetime, I believe we are up to 57 or so, but the number is likely higher. The same thing will happen with the F135 once it hits the fleets. Things will undoubtedly break and fixes will have to be implemented, its the nature of the beast. Machines, like the pilots operating them, aren't perfect and accidents will happen. If you think two jets strapped to your back instead of one will be safer, then perhaps you shouldn't climb in that cockpit. There are other jobs available where you can not only have two, but four engines! That makes it that much safer...right!

[Rockie]

Well the truth comes out frosti. You're not a pilot so your opinion on the flight safety implications of operating a single engine fighter in the extremely remote high arctic must be considered in that light. Glad we got that cleared up.

[frosti]

I'm not a pilot nor have I ever claimed to be. However I do know a thing or two about fighter jet engine reliability.

[x-wind]

Are you Canadian?

[Rockie]

I'm not a pilot nor have I ever claimed to be. However I do know a thing or two about fighter jet engine reliability.

And nothing about operating them.

With all due respect frosti, I would no more impose on your area of expertise (which I have always had enormous respect for) than I expect you to impose on mine. Maintaining engines has nothing to do with operating them or the airframe they happen to be bolted to.

I wish you had said what your background was from the beginning because it would have dramatically changed the tone of this conversation and how I discussed the issue with you.