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complexintentions wrote:@YHZGOOSE

And speaking of respect, how about some for your colleagues you refer to as "exiled to the sandbox"?

Speaking as one, of course! :lol:

Because I will say, for all of the challenges of the expat gig, things I DON'T worry about are not having a job next year, the kids education...or retiring before I'm 50. I wouldn't waste too much time feeling sorry for your "C3 buds". I can assure you they are doing much better than surviving.

And if you can't see that Gilles is fighting for something bigger than specific companies, hell something bigger than one industry, you need to educate yourself. It isn't just about pilots or a couple of companies. The entire Canadian middle class is under attack.

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complexintentions wrote:@YHZGOOSE

And if you can't see that Gilles is fighting for something bigger than specific companies, hell something bigger than one industry, you need to educate yourself. It isn't just about pilots or a couple of companies. The entire Canadian middle class is under attack.
Thank you for stating what I thought was the obvious. All too often are people only looking at today and forgetting about tomorrow. :smt023
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helpful tip: watch the Canada Gazette every couple of weeks.

As the official news paper of the government, the Canada Gazette published proposed changes to the Regulations, like the CARS, and announces new changes to the CARS.

http://www.gazette.gc.ca/index-eng.html

FOr insatance, if you look at page 92/100 of Part 1 of the most recent issue, you will find:
http://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p1/2013/ ... -14708.pdf

Oh! Multi-crew Pilot Licences are coming !
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Today I received a reply to a request I made to TC under the Access to Information Act.

I had asked to see what "purposes" had been entered into the TC database for all the Foreign Licence Validation Certificates issued for Canjet and Sunwing pilots for 2011 and 2012. The reply arrived today.

Let's first look at the Regulation:
Validation of Foreign Licences

401.07 (1) Subject to section 6.71 of the Act, if the holder of a foreign flight crew licence issued by a contracting state other than Canada meets the applicable requirements set out in the personnel licensing standards and does not reside in Canada, the Minister shall, on receipt of an application submitted in the form and manner set out in those standards, issue a foreign licence validation certificate to the holder of the licence.
(amended 2008/05/01; previous version)

(2) The Minister shall, in accordance with the personnel licensing standards, specify in a foreign licence validation certificate the privileges that may be exercised by the holder of the certificate.
Subparagraph 1 and 2 for make reference to the standard

Let's see what the standard says.

CAR 421.07 (2) list 10 "purposes" for which a FLVC may me issued. Here they are.
421.07 (2) Purposes For Which Foreign Licence Validation Certificates May Be Issued

(a) for the holder to undergo a flight test;

(b) for private recreational flying;

(c) for ferry of an aircraft registered in Canada to or from a foreign country;

(d) for the holder to give type rating training on an aircraft registered in Canada to the registered owner, or to Canadian flight crew employed by the registered owner;

(e) for the holder to receive training in a Canadian registered aircraft;

(f) for operation of aircraft registered in a foreign state under the operating certificate of a Canadian carrier provided that the privileges are limited to the type of aircraft being operated;

(g) for operation of Canadian aircraft on Canadian commercial air services in urgent circumstances; such as fire suppression operations, emergency agricultural and forestry aerial application, airlift in relief of domestic natural disasters, and search and rescue operations;

(h) for commercial air services operated entirely within a foreign country where pilots holding a licence from that country may have their licence validated for operation of Canadian registered aircraft in that country;

(i) for the operation of aircraft registered in Canada on lease to foreign carriers;

(j) for reasons other than those mentioned above where approval may be given if, in the opinion of the Minister, it is in the public interest and not likely to affect aviation safety.
CAR 42107 (1) states that a FLVC applicant must submit a letter specifying the "purpose" for which he/she is applying for a FLVC. Here is that regulation. One would think that such a purpose would be the specific ones listed in 421.07 (2).

421.07 Validation of Foreign Licences

(1) Issue of Foreign Licence Validation Certificate

(a) A Foreign Licence Validation Certificate shall be issued to an applicant who provides the following:

(ii) a letter requesting issue of the Foreign Licence Validation Certificate and specifying the purpose for which the foreign licence is to be validated.
The reply I received from TC today indicates that all FLVC issued to foreign licenced pilots for Canjet and Sunwing had, as a "purpose" in the TC database, the purpose "Commercial".

Where is "commercial" listed anywhere in 421.07 (2) ? It isn't.

Lets look at SI 400-005, the guidance document to issue FLVCs.
1.0 INTRODUCTION
The purpose of this Staff Instruction (SI) is to provide standardization and guidance for the issuance of a Foreign Licence Validation Certificate (FLVC) in accordance with the Canadian Aviation Regulations (CARs).
Really ?
The following definitions and abbreviations are used in this document:

(b) Commercial Purpose: flying operations conducted by an air operator, as defined in Subpart 401 of the CARs and in accordance with subsection 421.07(2) of the Standard (STD); and
Is that so ?
BACKGROUND

(2) Flight crew licences issued by a contracting state of ICAO may be validated for use in Canadian registered aircraft by obtaining a Canadian FLVC
in accordance with sections 401.07 of the CARs and 421.07 of the STD
.
Better and better.....

Here is the best yet:
4.0 CONDITIONS

(6)
A FLVC is issued for specific purposes, in accordance with subsection 421.07(2)
of the STD and is subject to any purpose or restriction specified on the FLVC.
That means the specific purposes listed in (a) to (j) of 421.07 (2) doesn't it. Does anyone here see any "Commercial" as any of the listed purposes ?
4.0 CONDITIONS
(9) A FLVC shall not be issued if the applicant:
(a) Does not meet all the requirements of sections 401.07 of the CARs and 421.07 of the STD;
Such as not having listed for reason to apply, one of the specific purposes of 421.07 (2) in the application letter, as required by 421.07 (1) (a) (ii).

Edit. My guest left. Below is the rest of the post.
5.2 Documents Required for a Commercial Application

(2) In addition to the above, the air operator must include a written statement containing the following information:

(e) A brief explanation why the holder of a Canadian flight crew licence cannot be used.
I dare anyone to search the CARs and find the origin of that requirement. If you find it, you will also find the regulation that says that foreign licenced pilots are not allowed to fly commercially in Canada
6.2 Entering Information and Restrictions

(5) In the “Purpose” field, select the appropriate purpose for the FLVC, from the drop down menu.
It is this line that prompted me to make the request this post is about
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With all due respect Gilles, it seem you are choosing to ignore 421.07(j)? Have you consulted a lawyer? I can tell you right now that until 421.07(j) is removed from the standards "commercial" does not have to be listed as a purpose. "for reasons other than those mentioned" could be anything from "commercial" to north pole santa charters.
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With all due respect Gilles, it seem you are choosing to ignore 421.07(j)? Have you consulted a lawyer? I can tell you right now that until 421.07(j) is removed from the standards "commercial" does not have to be listed as a purpose. "for reasons other than those mentioned" could be anything from "commercial" to north pole santa charters.
This is beyond any doubt getting more interesting.

So far it would seem the issue here is these pilots have been given " license " to fly commercial jets in Canada under a FLVC.

It is now become a problem for whoever issued these permits it would seem.

Politics drives all these issues and in the final analysis politics will decide how long this situation will go on regardless of the wording of the CAR's.

For many years I flew foreign registered aircraft in foreign countries under the same type of license validation.

The approval under CASA took about six months and the validation was type specific.

The approvals under JAR was job specific and also took months to receive approval....but as time went by it got easier.

I would like to see who made the decision to approve the pilots in this discussion and what persuaded the minister to approve said FLVC's.

If Gilles C.C.'s enough people in his quest for answers sooner or later they " may " start the sacrificing process to save the minister from embarrassment.

Interesting, very interesting.
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. . wrote:
With all due respect Gilles, it seem you are choosing to ignore 421.07(j)? Have you consulted a lawyer? I can tell you right now that until 421.07(j) is removed from the standards "commercial" does not have to be listed as a purpose. "for reasons other than those mentioned" could be anything from "commercial" to north pole santa charters.
This is beyond any doubt getting more interesting.

So far it would seem the issue here is these pilots have been given " license " to fly commercial jets in Canada under a FLVC.

It is now become a problem for whoever issued these permits it would seem.

Politics drives all these issues and in the final analysis politics will decide how long this situation will go on regardless of the wording of the CAR's.

For many years I flew foreign registered aircraft in foreign countries under the same type of license validation.

The approval under CASA took about six months and the validation was type specific.

The approvals under JAR was job specific and also took months to receive approval....but as time went by it got easier.

I would like to see who made the decision to approve the pilots in this discussion and what persuaded the minister to approve said FLVC's.

If Gilles C.C.'s enough people in his quest for answers sooner or later they " may " start the sacrificing process to save the minister from embarrassment.

Interesting, very interesting.
421.07(j) is very ambiguous as many CARs and Standards are. TC is handcuffed in that when someone supplies all the supporting documentation required along with an application for anything they cannot refuse to issue based on what the license is going to be used for since no violation has occured yet.
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To be continued, someone is knocking at the door......
The conspiracy theorist is me just can't resist.

Where'd Gilles go???? Who was knocking at the door? Friend or Foe? Is his last statement a figure of speech? Has he been abducted, or worse silenced? If true, who are the potential perpetrators?

i) Sunwing management
ii) a rogue foreign pilot
iii) a stooge from the ministers office (I know thats a long shot......too many stooges).

We just want Gilles back!!!!
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421.07(j) is very ambiguous as many CARs and Standards are. TC is handcuffed in that when someone supplies all the supporting documentation required along with an application for anything they cannot refuse to issue based on what the license is going to be used for since no violation has occured yet.

(j) for reasons other than those mentioned above where approval may be given if, in the opinion of the Minister, it is in the public interest and not likely to affect aviation safety.
A FLVC is " not " a license.

So back to the search for who persuaded the minister it was in the best interest of Canadians to morph a FLVC into a license.

Assuming of course the Minister actually approved it.
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RogerCheckCopy wrote:With all due respect Gilles, it seem you are choosing to ignore 421.07(j)? Have you consulted a lawyer? I can tell you right now that until 421.07(j) is removed from the standards "commercial" does not have to be listed as a purpose. "for reasons other than those mentioned" could be anything from "commercial" to north pole santa charters.
I do not mind one bit having people arguing my posts, on the contrary, as long as one argues them on their merit and not on who pays me to write here.

To answer your comment. There are 10 "purposes" listed in 421.07 (2)

1) "Flight test" for 421.07 (2) (a)
2) "Private flying" for 421.02 (2) (b)
3) "Ferry flight" for 421.07 (2) (c)
4) "To give a type rating" for 421.07 (2) (d)
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10) 'Other" for 421.07 (2) (j)

None of them is "Commercial".

Why ? Because 703.88, 704.108 and 705.106 say it's not allowed.

So how can Transport's drop down menu have a choice which is "Commercial" ?
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RogerCheckCopy wrote: 421.07(j) is very ambiguous as many CARs and Standards are. TC is handcuffed in that when someone supplies all the supporting documentation required along with an application for anything they cannot refuse to issue based on what the license is going to be used for since no violation has occured yet.
But the restriction is not in 401.07 nor is it in 421.07. These just confirm the spirit of the rule.

It's in 703.88, 704.108 and 705.106.

As . . rightfully remarked above, one need to have a licence issued under Part IV to fly commercially in Canada. A FLVC is not a licence it's a "certificate" and is defined as such in CAR 400.01
"foreign licence validation certificate" - means a certificate issued by the Minister pursuant to subsection 401.07(1)
CAR 401.03 mentions the licences and certificates as two different breeds, the licences, ratings under 401.03 (1) and the certificate under 401.03 (1.1).

And CARs 703.88, 704.108 and 705.106 say nothing about needing a certificate. They say one must have a licence and rating issued under Part IV.
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hst wrote:
To be continued, someone is knocking at the door......
The conspiracy theorist is me just can't resist.

Where'd Gilles go???? Who was knocking at the door? Friend or Foe? Is his last statement a figure of speech? Has he been abducted, or worse silenced? If true, who are the potential perpetrators?

i) Sunwing management
ii) a rogue foreign pilot
iii) a stooge from the ministers office (I know thats a long shot......too many stooges).

We just want Gilles back!!!!
It was just a friend at the door. But I am still not at ease.. On another thread there is a poster called pacifique001 who seems to have access to my flight schedule......
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This will most likely be resolved when the office of the Minister of Transport decides that the heat from public exposure of this issue is affecting the " Minister ".

For those of you who go back a long way remember the Tomahawk Airways fiasco about 25 or 30 years ago?

It was front page stuff until it became " an embarrassment " to the Minister of the day.....

...most Ministers do not have a clue about how aviation works, but they all clearly understand politics and will use their power to protect their image in the eyes of the public.

As I have previously stated if the office of the Minister steps in the sacrifices within the lower levels of T.C. will quietly start and they will assure the public such mistakes will never happen again.

I'm betting there are some sleepless nights somewhere within the structure of T.C. over this one.

Keep C.C. ing all your correspondence to as many offices as you can think of Gilles......nothing like a shining a bright light into a dark place to find parasites.

Remember this is all about power and money, and sometimes the money trail gets interesting.
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It was just a friend at the door. But I am still not at ease.. On another thread there is a poster called pacifique001 who seems to have access to my flight schedule......
Fear not Gilles, this is now far to public for anyone to try and do you any harm in any way.
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I am repeating myself now, but 705.106 does not clearly exclude FLVCs either. One could probably argue that when validating a foreign license it is a form of endorsement. 705.106 includes the word "endorsement" but when you look at the application of Part IV there is no mention of endorsements. If you look up the definition of an endorsement it would be hard to argue that FLVC (a signed certificate of sorts) is not a form of endorsing something.

Even if you are right you have other hills to climb. A presedent has been set because this has been going on for years now. This paves the way for an exemption if required and requested down the road.
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RogerCheckCopy wrote:I am repeating myself now, but 705.106 does not clearly exclude FLVCs either. One could probably argue that when validating a foreign license it is a form of endorsement. 705.106 includes the word "endorsement" but when you look at the application of Part IV there is no mention of endorsements. If you look up the definition of an endorsement it would be hard to argue that FLVC (a signed certificate of sorts) is not a form of endorsing something.

Even if you are right you have other hills to climb. A presedent has been set because this has been going on for years now. This paves the way for an exemption if required and requested down the road.
It does.

Go through the CARs and you will find three things that are endorsed: permits, licences and ratings.

There is no such thing as a "certificate" endorsement.

Also, There is also a definition that says that whenever licence, rating or permit is mentioned, it means a VALID Canadian licence, rating or permit.

A Foreign Licence Validation Certificate is just that. It is not a licence, nor is it a rating, nor is it a permit, nor is it an endorsement. It is a document certificate that validates a foreign licence for the purposes listed in 421.07 (2), including (j) which is "Other" not "Commercial

But because 706.106, a Part VII regulation says that commercial is not possible, (j) can never be "commercial"

And you keep forgetting that to use (j) it must be in the public interest.

Letting 200+ foreign licenced pilots fly Canadian registered aircraft will never be in the public interest. If it ever was, lets stop issuing Canadian licences and have all Canadians get a FAA licence and well save ourselves a lot of money.

The French version of (j) also says that this sub paragraph can only be used in exceptional cases.
j) lorsqu'une demande a la prétention de servir l'intérêt public canadien pour des raisons non pas visées par les circonstances pressantes énumérées ci-dessus, le ministre peut accorder une approbation dans les cas exceptionnels.
Even if one doesn't speak French, the Frensh version of a CAR can apply.

Issuing 200+ FLVC to 200+ foreign licenced pilots every year is everything but exceptional.
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Gilles, you're an exceptional voice for "Canadian" pilots and it is greatly appreciated.
To those who cry protectionism and call Gilles hypocritical, there is NO shortage a qualified Canadian pilots, only a shortage of 737NG type rated pilots and I suspect if AC were to start advertising for E190 Rated only, then there would be more people join in Gilles fight.
If we ever find ourselves in a "TRUE" shortage, well that's a different story, but right now that's not the case.
It is not up to Gilles to fight for Europe pilots, if they don't like what they see, they will fight for themselves.
I hope these latest developments give you the momentum and noise you deserve, I would have give up long ago!
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The purpose of the "Certificate" you speak of, is a certificate to provide documented proof (usually a letter) for a foreign pilot to carry around showing that his or her Private, Commercial or ATPL license has been validated by TC for the timeframe stated. What does the certificates these foreign pilots carry around say? ICAO has fairly straight forward guidelines on FLVC with the option for each member state to cook up their own rules. You will have to convince a judge that a FLVC of an ATPL from another ICAO member state does not constitue being in possession of a valid Canadian License.
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I intend to my friend. And it will be easy since that is what the CARs indicate. Some people informed me that they have tried to check my allegations with Transport Canada and no one will speak with them. Wonder why.......
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You know, while you have all been laying seige to every government office, your fellow pilots have quietly banded together and found a solution.

They are going to work for such low wages that no foreigners would want the jobs..Problem solved. :prayer:

Type rated pilots are flocking to the new LCC's...I understand from another thread that Encore's first two classes are pretty much full of already qualified on type pilots. Soladarity rules in Canada!

With those all so important seniority numbers, they can begin to whine about the low wages after they are working and the foreign pilots have all gone home..To bad the pilots at TA that were laid off did not offer to work for Sunwings for training costs..They would all be employed now, I am sure..

I apologize for the thread drift. Please get back to laying seige and posting how clever we all are compared to every government department in Canada. We can all see how effective that is and winning is certainly only a matter of days away.
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http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/s ... en-477.htm

This is cut-and-paste from a Transport Canada Website.
Validation of Foreign Licences

To fly a Canadian registered aircraft a citizen of a Contracting State requires either a Canadian pilot permit or licence; a Foreign Licence Validation, or a Limited Term Pilot Licence.
An applicant who permanently resides outside of Canada and holds a valid pilot licence issued by a Contracting State may be issued with either a Foreign Licence Validation Certificate or a Limited Term Pilot Licence. Payment of the prescribed fee is required prior to issue. A Foreign Licence Validation Certificate is normally valid for a period of one year subject to the validity of the foreign licence or issued of a Canadian Medical Certificate.
Information required for Issue

A Foreign Licence Validation Certificate shall be issued to an applicant who provides the following:
a foreign licence valid under the laws of a Contracting State and valid for the privileges requested; and
a letter requesting issue of the Foreign Licence Validation Certificate and specifying the purpose for which the foreign licence is to be validated.
The FLVC shall be issued for a period of not longer than one year.

Purposes for which Foreign Licence Validation Certificates may be Issued

for the holder to undergo a flight test;
for private recreational flying;
for ferry of an aircraft registered in Canada to or from a foreign country;
for the holder to give training on an aircraft registered in Canada to the registered owner or to Canadian flight crew employed by the registered owner;
for operation of aircraft registered in a foreign state under the operating certificate of a Canadian carrier, provided that the privileges are limited to the type of aircraft being operated;
for operation of Canadian aircraft on Canadian commercial air services in urgent circumstances such as fire suppression operations, emergency agricultural and forestry aerial application, airlift in relief of domestic natural disasters and search and rescue operations.
for the holder to receive training in a Canadian registered aircraft.
Did anybody read anything here about 200 foreign licenced pilots flying the line for Sunwing with FLVC ?
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Hey Gilles,

As an ALPA member one thing i've never been able to figure out is, since this issue is the #1 priority, how come they or the lawyers employed by ALPA Canada have not figured this out yet. How is it that a Transat Captain on his time off has?
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complexintentions wrote:@YHZGOOSE

And speaking of respect, how about some for your colleagues you refer to as "exiled to the sandbox"?

Speaking as one, of course! :lol:

Because I will say, for all of the challenges of the expat gig, things I DON'T worry about are not having a job next year, the kids education...or retiring before I'm 50. I wouldn't waste too much time feeling sorry for your "C3 buds". I can assure you they are doing much better than surviving.

And if you can't see that Gilles is fighting for something bigger than specific companies, hell something bigger than one industry, you need to educate yourself. It isn't just about pilots or a couple of companies. The entire Canadian middle class is under attack.

I think my statement '' exiled to the Sandbox'' is clearly understood as a term of description and not an insult. If your lifestyle permitted you to become an expat then good on you. 8)

But please don't tell me I need to educate myself and refer to the entire Canadian Middle class being under attack. I live here, I feel the pinch but this is not a political forum, and a few pilots are not going to alter the climate. You may be mindful of the next 5 years and remember what I am saying because Canadian aviation has already changed and it's not going back. SWG is the Walmart of the sky now and its dominant in the charter market and the CEO's of other companies are scurrying to find out their magic formula so they can follow it.

Do any of us prefer foreign pilots get the jobs? But is anyone willing to work seaonally and to get lower wage? Is anyone willing to fork out their own money to get certified so they can fly seasonally? Or should EI send each pilot on a course and pay for certification? Is EI looking comparitvely to pilots in Europe who have to pay for courses themselves? It's the low cost climate, and as much as it's a travesty, it is thriving in Europe.

It's a catch 22 situation, based on profit. Gilles quotes in the '' Letter to Dan Adamus '' thread : This race to the bottom must end and I encourage all to help me. I raised awareness but so far, I have had zero success. I need everyone's help. If we lose this, do not be surprised if we have foreign pilots and foreign wet-leases at Air Transat next winter.

Dan Adamus ALPA has this to say about it : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC-3o9u1ETM

And low cost carriers in Europe are doing this:
https://pilot.cae.com/programs/ryanair.aspx

Lots of changes about to happen over the next 18 months but the million dollar question will be who is the Alpha going to be?
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monkey wrote:Hey Gilles,

As an ALPA member one thing i've never been able to figure out is, since this issue is the #1 priority, how come they or the lawyers employed by ALPA Canada have not figured this out yet. How is it that a Transat Captain on his time off has?
My guess, is that most pilots, including employees of TC, find the regulations very convoluted. They way they are written and laid out are very poor. Combine that with a very user "unfriendly" website. I think they need someone to come in and write the CAR's in plain English and French, taking out the grey ares. There are too many grey areas, and management at Sunwing and Canjet are using that.

This should, by no means, be open to interpretation or require such investigation to prove. The problem lies with the reg's as they are, the regulator, and how they are regulating (or not).
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loopy wrote: This should, by no means, be open to interpretation or require such investigation to prove. The problem lies with the reg's as they are, the regulator, and how they are regulating (or not).
Do you think that this is open to interpretation ?

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/o ... ary-94.htm
Transport Canada Safety Oversight Program Final Report (ICAO)

3.4.1.14 Except for specifically identified cases as indicated in the CARs, foreign licences are not validated for the purpose of allowing an applicant to operate on a commercial air service in Canada.
Do you think that this is open to interpretation ?

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/s ... e-2283.htm
A foreign pilot wishing to fly Canadian registered aircraft for remuneration or reward in Canada must be in possession of a valid Canadian Commercial Pilot Licence or Airline Transport Pilot Licence.
Those are direct quotes from Transport Canada documents. They seem to state the same thing that I do. I base my claims on statements like these and the CARs which I spent days and nights studying.

My claims are also backed up by AC 400-005 and SI 400-005, two Transport Canada publications that both state that before an airline can request a FLVC for a foreign applicant, it must provide a statement as to why a Canadian cannot be used instead. That requirement is found in CASS 725.106(6). No one at Transport Canada can point to any other regulation that has such a requirement. They even tried to hide CASS 725.106 (6) when they deleted chapter 8.5 from TP4711, the Air Operator Certification Manual.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/p ... u-4487.htm

but that person who tried to hide CASS 725.106 (6) didn't think to do the same in the French version where it is still visible and shows CASS 725.106(6)

http://www.tc.gc.ca/fra/aviationcivile/ ... u-4487.htm

This is how I found that regulation in the first place.

The 421.07 (2) confirms that there are limited purposes for which FLVC can be delivered.

Then the Canada Gazette again confirm my claims when explaining CAR 401.07 and 421.07.

Every bit of evidence points in my interpretation of the CARs: no foreigned licenced pilots are allowed to fly commercially in Canada except as allowed by CAR 421.07 (2), CAR 705.106 and CASS 725.106(6). But the gentleman in charge of enforcing the Canadian Aviation Regulations will not even acknowledged receipt of my numerous emails.

This whole thing stinks and if they don't do something about it soon, we will soon have some Federal Inquiry board investigating it. Maybe they will even pursue new angles to this affair......

There are 200 foreign pilots flying B-737s full of passengers illegally in Canada and probably without insurance coverage and no one is doing anything.

This is all published on a public forum with all references and documentation and it is not going to go away. This cannot be brushed off, ignored or forgotten.

I suggest that some responsible person with enough b.lls, take action and correct the problem right away while its still time.........
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