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421.07 (2) (j) for reasons other than those mentioned above where approval may be given if, in the opinion of the Minister, it is in the public interest and not likely to affect aviation safety.
THE LEGAL ANALYSIS INVOLVED IN MAKING THE DETERMINATION OF “PUBLIC INTEREST” UNDER THE ACT

What is the meaning of the term “Public Interest” in the Aeronautics Act?

There is no statutory definition for “public interest”.
Instead, the Minister has been delegated the authority by Parliament to use his discretion to make an opinion on what constitutes public interest.

How does the Minister exercise his discretion?

He must have regard to all of the relevant facts and law.
He must not be swayed by irrelevant considerations.
He must have regard to the letter and purpose of the legislation that gives him the power to act.
He must consider each case on its merits. Policy is relevant, but only insofar as applied to the facts.
How does the Minister determine what are relevant considerations?

He must make his examination of the facts and law in terms of the letter and spirit of the Act.
He must make this determination in relation to the policies found in the Act.
What are the Policies Found in the Aeronautics Act?

Section 4.2 provides the clearest policy.

“The Minister is responsible for the development and regulation of aeronautics, and the supervision (enforcement) of all matters connected with aeronautics.”
Section 4.9

a) The primary objective of regulation under the Act is to maintain an acceptable level of safety.

b) The primary objective of supervision under the Act is to ensure compliance with regulatory standards.
Caselaw

a) The Minister has a heavy responsibility towards the general public to ensure safety of air carrier operations.

b) The Minister has a duty of care towards the general public to enforce legislative and regulatory requirements in the interest of public safety.

c) The Minister has a very broad discretion to consider any factor when interpreting public interest, so long as it relates to the matter at hand.
What is the Primary Public Interest under the Aeronautics Act?

The safety of air travel by strict compliance with the rules of safety.
Responsibilities of the Minister

The Minister must make his determination with the following policies in mind:

a) The Minister is responsible to the public for the regulation and supervision of aviation
activities so as to promote safety.

b) The Act enables a detailed regime of regulation intended to promote an acceptable level of aviation safety.

c) Pilots, air carriers and other participants in the aviation industry are expected to comply with those regulations, and thereby achieve an acceptable level of aviation safety.
Within What Context is the Determination of public interest to be made?

In accordance with the circumstances of each individual case.
Within the jurisdictional limitations of the Aeronautics Act.
With regard to the impact of the decision on the applicant, the general public, other members of the aviation industry, and the proper regulatory enforcement and supervision of aeronautics.

As regards exemptions under subsection 5.9(2) of the Act, what specific interpretation does “public interest” have?
The interpretation must relate to the following:

a) Accommodation of alternative practices;

b) Fostering of a competitive aviation industry; and

c) Reference to something other than safety - that it is in the interest of the public (and not just the air carrier) that the exemption be granted.
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Video posted by ALPA yesterday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC-3o9u1ETM

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What happened to the post from Gilles earlier today outlining the access to information requests?
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CD wrote:What happened to the post from Gilles earlier today outlining the access to information requests?
I deleted it because I had already posted that info on this thread on Jan 06. They sent me a letter yesterday stating they needed more time to fill in my request.
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I received another GEM from a Transport Canada executive. I wrote to Mr Guindon, and the subject of my email was my interpretation of the Regulations that allowed Foreign pilots to apply for and obtain Foreign Licence Validation Certificates to fly for 705 Operators in Canada. My whole email to Mr Guindon contained nothing but articles of the CARs and the CASSs and how I interpreted them. I expected him to reply to my arguments by quoting CARs and CASS and claryfying my interpretation. Not from this gentleman.

Here is the reply:

From: Montsko, Susan [mailto:susan.montsko@tc.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Guindon, Denis
Sent: 18 février 2013 11:55
To: Gilles Hudicourt
Cc: CAIRS / SSQAC_National
Subject: FW: CAIRS RR-1637

Dear Mr. Hudicourt,

This is in response to your e-mail received January 29, 2013, and our correspondence sent on January 17, 2013, regarding Foreign Pilots.

I note your extensive correspondence from November 7, 2012 to present expressing your concerns with the utilization of foreign qualified pilots and aircraft by certain Canadian companies.

It should be noted however, that Transport Canada is applying the applicable regulations and standards in the context of broader policies concerning Human Resources and Skills Development Canada (HRSDC Temporary Foreign Workers Program) and Citizenship and Immigration (CIC Reciprocal Employment Program).

While you may have concerns with the nature of the programs, Transport Canada Civil Aviation’s role is simply to confirm compliance with applicable regulations and standards, thereby contributing to the safety of the aviation system.

With regards to your specific concerns with these regulations and standards, we are unable to provide you with any additional information to what we already have.

Once again, I thank you for your views.

Sincerely,

Captain Denis Guindon
Director
National Operations
Civil Aviation

I guess that if CIC and HRSDC provide LMOs and work permits to some Medical Doctors from Kalawochistan, that all the Health Ministries of this country will rush to bend the rules of every Province to allow these foreign doctors to practice medicine in Canada, in the context of broader policies concerning Human Resources and Skills Development Canada (HRSDC Temporary Foreign Workers Program) and Citizenship and Immigration (CIC Reciprocal Employment Program)

HRSDC and CIC, not Transport Canada, are dictating what is in the Public Interest the aviation industry in Canada.

There is no doubt in my mind that Captain Denis Guindon will come to regret ever writing this email........
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Dear Mr Guindon,

My Nov 21 2011 email was a CAIRS complaint where I questioned the legality of providing foreign licensed pilots with Foreign licence validation certificates. Despite my numerous emails requesting it, that complaint was never acted upon, and was never issued a CAIRS file number and was ignored and swept under the rug. It shows how much credibility the CAIRS system has.

I was surprised to read about HRSDC and CIC policies in your email. Those policies do not fall under your responsibilities. Your responsibilities, as far as I know, are upholding the Canadian Aviation Regulations and the Standards, not accommodating foreign pilots to whom CIC and HRSDC provides work permits to work in this country.

To come back to the CARs and to the Standards, which was the subject of my CAIRS complaint and of all my emails to you:

401.07 allows the Minister to issue FLVC to foreign licensed pilots according the Standards, if the applicants do not live in Canada.
421.07 (1) States that FLVC shall be issued for a period of one year. It does not say that they can be issued for one year and renewed every year, year after year for eternity as the SI-400.005 states in error.
421.07 (1) States that a FLVC applicant must provide a letter stating the reason he needs a FLVC.
421.07 (2) provides the list of valid reasons that TC may issue FLVC.
Flying the line for 705 operations does not figure in the listed reasons.
421.07(2)(j) provides some latitude to the Minister for issuing FLVC for reasons not listed in (a) to (i) of 421.07 (2) but states 3 conditions:
2 of them are in the English version and a third is in the French version. Because 421.07(2)(j) in English and in French are not exact translations of each other, both versions must be considered:
421.07 (2) (j) states that the Minister may issue a FLVC for reasons not listed in (a) to (i) if:
1) It is in the Public Interest
2) Not likely to affect public Safety
3) In exceptional circumstances

It is in the Public Interest for the Minister to issue every year, hundreds of FLVC to hundreds of foreign pilots we know nothing about ?

First we must decide what the public interest stands for. Is it providing cheap airfares to Cuba for the Canadian families ?

Not as far as Transport Canada is concerned.
THE LEGAL ANALYSIS INVOLVED IN MAKING THE DETERMINATION OF “PUBLIC INTEREST” UNDER THE ACT

What is the meaning of the term “Public Interest” in the Aeronautics Act?

There is no statutory definition for “public interest”.
Instead, the Minister has been delegated the authority by Parliament to use his discretion to make an opinion on what constitutes public interest.

How does the Minister exercise his discretion?

He must have regard to all of the relevant facts and law.
He must not be swayed by irrelevant considerations.
He must have regard to the letter and purpose of the legislation that gives him the power to act.
He must consider each case on its merits. Policy is relevant, but only insofar as applied to the facts.
How does the Minister determine what are relevant considerations?

He must make his examination of the facts and law in terms of the letter and spirit of the Act.
He must make this determination in relation to the policies found in the Act.
What are the Policies Found in the Aeronautics Act?

Section 4.2 provides the clearest policy.

“The Minister is responsible for the development and regulation of aeronautics, and the supervision (enforcement) of all matters connected with aeronautics.”
Section 4.9

a) The primary objective of regulation under the Act is to maintain an acceptable level of safety.

b) The primary objective of supervision under the Act is to ensure compliance with regulatory standards.
Caselaw

a) The Minister has a heavy responsibility towards the general public to ensure safety of air carrier operations.

b) The Minister has a duty of care towards the general public to enforce legislative and regulatory requirements in the interest of public safety.

c) The Minister has a very broad discretion to consider any factor when interpreting public interest, so long as it relates to the matter at hand.
What is the Primary Public Interest under the Aeronautics Act?

The safety of air travel by strict compliance with the rules of safety.
Responsibilities of the Minister

The Minister must make his determination with the following policies in mind:

a) The Minister is responsible to the public for the regulation and supervision of aviation activities so as to promote safety.

b) The Act enables a detailed regime of regulation intended to promote an acceptable level of aviation safety.

c) Pilots, air carriers and other participants in the aviation industry are expected to comply with those regulations, and thereby achieve an acceptable level of aviation safety.
Within What Context is the Determination of public interest to be made?

In accordance with the circumstances of each individual case.
Within the jurisdictional limitations of the Aeronautics Act.
With regard to the impact of the decision on the applicant, the general public, other members of the aviation industry, and the proper regulatory enforcement and supervision of aeronautics.

As regards exemptions under subsection 5.9(2) of the Act, what specific interpretation does “public interest” have?

The interpretation must relate to the following:

a) Accommodation of alternative practices;

b) Fostering of a competitive aviation industry; and

c) Reference to something other than safety - that it is in the interest of the public (and not just the air carrier) that the exemption be granted.

Then there were Federal Court cases that ruled on what "Public Interest" meant for the Minister of Transport:

http://www.tatc.gc.ca/decision/decision ... dc_id=1248
The public interest as asserted by the Minister is a societal interest that relates to the protection and safety of the public and the users of the system as part of its policy regarding the development, regulation and supervision of all matters connected with aeronautics, and the maintenance of an acceptable level of safety.
To to come back to 421.07(2) (j):

Is it in the public interest to provide every year to over 200 foreign licensed pilots over 200 FLVC to German, British, French, Belgian and Czech 737 pilots on which Transport Canada knows nothing about their level of experience, the training they received, on how they obtained their licences, their accident and violation history and so forth. Most reasonable people would say no.

In recent years, we have seen headlines about foreign pilots faking their logbooks, purchasing the licenses, receiving under par training and such things are not limited to third world countries. The recent Air France 477 accident was a prime example. The pilot flying with 2900 hours total time, after having a blocked pitot tube in cruise flight, did not apply the adequate procedure, ignored the stall warnings, stalled the aircraft, never recognised that he had stalled, and kept through his control inputs, the aircraft in a deep stall until it made contact with the surface of the ocean, killing all aboard. This pilot, fresh out of flight school, had been hired by Air France in put into the right seat of a fly-by-wire A-320. He had then moved on to A-340 and A-330. He was probably a brilliant autopilot operator, but did not have any basic flying skills. This is what Transport Canada is exposing the Canadian public to when they issue all these FLVC to hundreds of foreign pilots we know nothing about.

This is what the Canada Gazatte, published about 401.07 in 2001:

http://www.gazette.gc.ca/archives/p2/20 ... 9-eng.html
CAR 401.07 (Validation of Foreign Licences)

The amendment to CAR 401.07 (Validation of Foreign Licences) prevents an applicant for a foreign licence validation certificate from being a permanent resident of Canada. Under existing regulations, the holder of a foreign flight crew licence issued by a contracting state(see footnote 2), other than Canada, must satisfy only the applicable requirements in the Canadian personnel licensing standards upon applying for a foreign licence validation certificate. This amendment adds the prohibition that the applicant may not permanently reside in Canada. The change emphasizes the transitory nature of the foreign licence validation certificate. Personnel Licensing and Training Standard 421.07 (Validation of Foreign Licences) limits the maximum duration for which such a certificate may be valid to one year from the date of issue. This Standard also sets forth the list of purposes for which such a certificate may be issued. While the issuance of the foreign licence validation certificate accepts the standards of training and operations within the original licensing country, these restrictions upon the duration and purposes of such a certificate minimize the potential exposure of Canadian operators and the Canadian licensing system to possibly less stringent standards.

CAR 401.07 (Validation of Foreign Licences)

The amendment to CAR 401.07 (Validation of Foreign Licences) prohibits a permanent resident of Canada from applying for a foreign licence validation certificate. This restriction supports the limited duration and use to which such a certificate can be put. The protection of the safety of the Canadian aviation system from the effect of possibly less rigorous standards applied in pilot licensing elsewhere, which could dilute the worth of a Canadian document if foreign licences were validated in Canada without limit or restriction, will be maintained. No significant benefit-cost consequences are expected from this amendment.
As one can read here, the authors of this regulation state that the FLVC is meant to be transitory in nature. They also listed the limited purposes for which a FLVC could be issued, stating that these restrictions imposed on the FLVC in time and purpose protect the Canadian Aviation licensing system from potentially less rigorous licensing systems elsewhere and that the worth of the Canadian document would be diluted if the FLVC were to be issued without limits or restrictions, such as Transport Canada is doing now when they issue hundreds of FLVC to hundreds of foreign pilots, without limit in time or purpose.


The Minister of Transport is expected to "make his examination of the facts and law in terms of the letter and spirit of the Act."

As is written black on white in the Canada Gazette, the FLVC were meant to be transitory in nature and were purposely limited in time and purpose to those specific purposes listed in 421.07 (2). When 421.07(2) (j) is invoked by the Minister, it must be with the Public interest in mind, when safety is not likely to be affected and in exceptional circumstances.

If those three conditions are not met, then the Minister cannot invoke 421.07 (2) (j)

As far as 705.106 and 725.106 (6), to claim, as you did in your email, that this regulation only restricts the use of foreign licensed pilots when airlines are introducing new aircraft types is wrong. What 705.106 and its standard state, is that the only time that foreign pilots can be used by an air carrier, is when it is introducing an new aircraft type and no Canadian licensed pilots are available.

To claim that foreign licensed pilots can be used at will by airlines except in the case of check pilots when there is a new aircraft type is an insult to anyone's intelligence.

I take note that you went out on a limb to attempt to dismiss my complaint. I feel that my arguments are strong and valid and have not had a single person outside of Transport Canada find them in error. I hope that you will reconsider.


Regards,

Gilles Hudicourt
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Don't forget , that beside flying skills CRM skills play a significant role Gilles.
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Are you referring to the AF guys? They were lacking in that too.
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It was towards you Gilles. Beside your effords of fighting for Canadian Pilots, that I dont question,
I find your last post regarding JAA licenced pilots presumptious and condescending.
As a professionel you should know better.
Just stay objectively to be recognized.
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First of all, where did you see anywhere that issuing FLVC to foreign pilots for flying in Canada was limited to JAA license holders ? I didn't see that anywhere. It says you have to have a license from a contracting state (member of ICAO). I know of no country that isn't. Even Haiti is.

My point is that Transport Canada knows nothing about these pilots other than they have a paper that states that they have a Foreign Licence and a 737 Type rating in their country of origin. Transport Canada does not have access to these pilots records in their countries.
Transport Canada knows nothing about their violation histories. They know nothing about any suspensions they may have had. They know nothing about any accidents they may have had. They know nothing about their training history. TC knows nothing about possible DUI convictions they may have. It know nothing about past drug abuse........ past lost of medical for psychiatric reasons....

Yet, on simple presentation of a paper to TC, and passing a Sim ride, we put them at the controls of a Canadian airliner full of Canadian passengers.

And Transport does not do that with 1 or 10 foreign pilots. It does it with hundreds.

They check NOTHING !

Look at this document:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/o ... 05-225.htm

This document is called
Staff Instruction (SI) No. 400-005
It is the Instruction manual for TC inspectors on how to issue FLVC to foreigners.
Licensing staff are not required to request licence verification unless there are concerns over the authenticity or validity of the documents presented. It is the responsibility of the air operator to verify that each licence holder is properly qualified and holds an appropriate and valid licence and medical certificate.
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Look for yourself. Air France has a shockingly poor safety record and it doesn't take much research to figure it out.
Many Canadian pilots need to get over the idea that european and former eastern bloc pilots are somehow better qualified, tested to a higher standard and somehow more capable than us.
They're not.
Some are, for sure. But not all and not all are created equal.
I speak from my own first hand knowledge and experience on this. Many talk the talk but when it comes to walking the walk they need a wheelchair. A surprising number are pi** poor at the controls of an aircraft and Gilles is correct in pointing it out. You'd think some due diligence on the part of our regulators is not only common sense but should be expected.
When will those endowed with the responsibility for industry oversight take this issue seriously?

I expect it won't be any time soon.

Gino Under :partyman:
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What's missing here is outrage. I listened to a Philosophy professor yesterday who basically said the public in general has slipped into a general malaise. Nobody cares about a problem unless its their problem. Governments and businesses have taken note of this state of affairs to far overstep their bounds, way further than 30 or 40 years ago. Then people become frightened of the Government they elected and won't involve themselves in issues because of that fear. So in a situation like this, no-one acts until after the worst case scenario happens and then the finger pointing begins.

Our problem is the problem of thousands of Canadian workers. Opportunites removed to enhance quarterly dividends and senior managment bonuses. Kudos to the union lawyers that have sent the mining industry a message in BC. Its arduous fight but thank goodness some are taking up the challenge.
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It is my firm belief that Canadian Aviation Regulations 401.07, 703.88, 704.108 and 705.106 state clearly that Foreign licensed pilots are not permitted to fly commercially in Canada except when used as instructors for the introduction of a new type of aircraft and even then, only when Canadian licensed instructors are not available.

It is also my firm belief that all foreign licensed pilots who are now flying the line for Canjet and Sunwing were issued their Foreign License Validation Certificates (FLVC) by Transport Canada in contravention of the Canadian Aviation Regulations.

It is my firm belief that as a consequence, the FLVCs that these pilots are using to fly Canjet and Sunwing aircraft are not valid.

It is my firm belief that should an incident or an accident involving any of these foreign licensed pilots occur, the aircraft insurer would have valid grounds to deny any insurance coverage.

If these foreign licensed pilots were delivered FLVC in contravention to the CARs, the FLVC were also issued in contravention of Article 7.3 of the Aeronautics Act which is an indictable offense.
Prohibitions, Offences and Punishment

Marginal note:Prohibitions

7.3 (1) No person shall
(a) knowingly make any false representation for the purpose of obtaining a Canadian aviation document or any privilege accorded thereby;
(c) make or cause to be made any false entry in a record required under this Part to be kept with intent to mislead or wilfully omit to make any entry in any such record;
(d) wilfully obstruct any person who is performing duties under this Part;
(f) wilfully do any act or thing in respect of which a Canadian aviation document is required except under and in accordance with the required document; or
(g) wilfully do any act or thing in respect of which a Canadian aviation document is required where

(2) Every person who contravenes subsection (1) is guilty of
(a) an indictable offence; or
(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Marginal note:Contravention of Part, regulation, etc.

(3) Except as otherwise provided by this Part, every person who contravenes a provision of this Part or any regulation, notice, order, security measure or emergency direction made under this Part is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.
Marginal note:Contravention of subsection 4.81(1)

(4) An individual who is convicted of an offence under this Part punishable on summary conviction is liable to a fine not exceeding five thousand dollars and, in the case of an offence referred to in subsection (1), to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year or to both fine and imprisonment.
Marginal note:Punishment, corporations

(5) A corporation that is convicted of an offence under this Part punishable on summary conviction is liable to a fine not exceeding twenty-five thousand dollars.

(6) Where a person is convicted of a second or subsequent offence under this Part, the fine shall not be less than two hundred and fifty dollars.
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I disagree with your assertion Gilles. You of course have the right to your beliefs.

Transport Canada have issued the FLVC and whether its by the CARs or Ministerial Exemption, the fact still remains that the government have issued the licenses. It is Transport Canada that determines if the licenses are valid or not.

While it is true that insurance companies require the crews to have licenses; Insurance companies do not have governance over deciding if a license is valid or not. That is under governance of the regulator.
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We can rule out any Ministerial exemptions, for they must be published on the TC website here:

http://wwwapps2.tc.gc.ca/saf-sec-sur/2/ ... x?lang=fra

There is none.

As for the insurance companies they have dual personalities. The nice one they present when its time to collect the premiums and the nasty one when it comes time to try to avoid paying a huge claim.
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Gilles, have you thought of finding out who the insurer is for Canjet and Sunwing and forwarding your concerns to them, why wait for something to happen?
Maybe they'll have their lawyers look into it and suspend their coverage in the mean time.
You have clearly presented a good case on here and so far not much traction has been made, maybe a different approach could have the same effect, no one operates an aircraft without insurance.
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As has been identified in the forum in the past, not all exemptions are required to be available in that database. Indeed, many are not available electronically. An additional complicating factor is that link appears to be the old 'common look and feel' format, which is likely going to be changed/removed as it may not comply with the Federal Court of Appeal decision with respect to accessibility:

Jodhan Decision Advances Access to Web Sites for Persons with Vision Impairment
Toronto woman wins second victory ordering government websites accessible to blind
Canada (Attorney General) v. Jodhan 2012 FCA 161 Date: May 30, 2012
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Does anyone feel the Gilles' continued questioning and criticism of Sunwing's policies while identifying himself by real name which is easily traceable to Transat is somehow fishy? I would be none to happy to have an employee of my company publicly berating and questioning another company's practices on a public forum where he associates himself with my company. Whether Gilles makes a good point or not, it's incredibly unprofessional IMO.
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BeechjetYKZ wrote:Does anyone feel the Gilles' continued questioning and criticism of Sunwing's policies while identifying himself by real name which is easily traceable to Transat is somehow fishy? I would be none to happy to have an employee of my company publicly berating and questioning another company's practices on a public forum where he associates himself with my company. Whether Gilles makes a good point or not, it's incredibly unprofessional IMO.
I believe in a previous post, he indicated that his company stands behind him on the issue.

Keep up the fight Gilles
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Whether Gilles makes a good point or not, it's incredibly unprofessional IMO.
Thanks for worrying about Gilles professionalism, I am sure he will take note... :roll: He has the honesty of identifying himself clearly and fighting for what he thinks is right. I believe he never spoke in the name of Air Transat, the company has spokesmen/Spokeswomen for that!

Keep the focus on the real issues. I am personaly more worried about the lack of professionalism from our government agencies (ie Transport Canada AND HRSDC) when asked to provide clear ans simple answers!

Cheers!

T.
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BeechjetYKZ wrote:Does anyone feel the Gilles' continued questioning and criticism of Sunwing's policies while identifying himself by real name which is easily traceable to Transat is somehow fishy? I would be none to happy to have an employee of my company publicly berating and questioning another company's practices on a public forum where he associates himself with my company. Whether Gilles makes a good point or not, it's incredibly unprofessional IMO.
My name is not "easlily traceable" to Air Transat". I began openly posting under my real name and openly identifying myself as an Air Transat pilot after reading a post by Paul Strachan, President of ACPA on this forum who suggested people do that to have more open and constructive discussions. Writing under my real identity has provided me a credibility I would have never achieved by writing under an alias. And also it restrains me in what I can and cannot write. I stay away from insults, personal attacks and defamation and stick to my message : no foreign pilots (Except those legally allowed under true and legal reciprocity and restrained and framed Wet-Leases).

In addition to being an Air Transat pilot, I am also an ALPA member. In the fall of 2011, 17 of my co-workers were laid off while the likes of Canjet and Sunwing were hiring hundreds of foreign pilots. In the fall of 2012, 60 of my co-workers were laid off while again the likes of Canjet and Sunwing were hiring hundreds of foreign pilots. There are also another 30 or so ALPA members from other companies including First Air which are furloughed.

That gives me all the right in the world to speak out in a very loud way. I see nothing fishy about it. My real name. My real position. My real motives. And really disgusting issues.

To state that my criticism has always been directed at Sunwing is false.
I directed ample criticism at CIC for not applying its own regulations and guidelines on the Reciprocity program, and that Sunwing was taking ample advantage of, policies that say that you must send to work overseas an equal number of Canadian workers than you import to work in Canada. CIC let Sunwing do the counting for them. And boy, did Sunwing count......In 2011 it was something like export 0, import 180.

I directed an ample amount of criticism at HRSDC for not applying its own policies in granting LMOs to hire foreign pilots. Policies that say that foreigners can only be used when there is a shortage of local labour, that one must make a credible effort to recruit AND TRAIN locals before being allowed to recruit foreigners. I know of no other case, where HRSDC let a 5 to 6 week course stand between an un-employed Canadian and a job in order to favour a foreign worker for $50 to $100K a year job.

I directed some criticism at the Canadian Transportation Agency for allowing Sunwing to wet-lease 7 foreign registered aircraft in the course of 2012, a company that just operates 10 full time aircraft.

I am also directing plenty of criticism at Tranport Canada for illegally permitting Canjet and Sunwing to crew all these aircraft with foreign licenced pilots when the CARs clearly do not allow such a practice. And I openly state loud and clear, with my real name, that I think that all foreign licenced pilots who are now flying the line for any Part VII operator with a Transport Canada issued Foreign Licence Validation Certificate is flying without a legal valid licence, and as a result most likely without proper insurance coverage.

And again, this is why:

I claim that it is against the CARs to provide Foreign Licence Validation Certificates to any foreign licenced pilots except for ferry, training, positioning flights and when a Canadian pilot is not available when introducing a new aircraft type, for line checks.

This is according to CARs 703.88, 704.108 and 705.106. and the Standard 725.106 (6)

The simple logic is that these CAR articles require a licence issued under Part IV. A FLVC is not a licence issued under Part IV, it is a "certificate", as defined in 400.01

CAR 401.03 clearly makes a distinction between the licences in 401.03 (1) and the certificate in 401.03 (1.1) .

A FLVC can only be issued for the purposes listed in 421.07 (2) and commercial flying is not one of them.

When 421.07 (2) (j) is invoked, it can be for purposes not listed in 421.07 (2) (a) to (i) but not if it contradicts something that is not allowed under part VII.

Furthermore, 421.07 (2) (j) can only be invoked if it is in the public interest which as far as TC is concerned, only addresses safety. It is certainly not in the public interest to issue hundreds of FLVC to foreign licenced pilots to fly Canadian aircraft. Then the French version of 421.07 (2) (j) is a little different from the English version. It adds that this subparagraph can only be used in "exceptional cases".

400 FLCV for part VII operations in the past 2 years is not longer an exception.
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Re: Letter to Dan Adamus, ALPA Canada Board President

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mbav8r wrote:Gilles, have you thought of finding out who the insurer is for Canjet and Sunwing and forwarding your concerns to them, why wait for something to happen?
Maybe they'll have their lawyers look into it and suspend their coverage in the mean time.
You have clearly presented a good case on here and so far not much traction has been made, maybe a different approach could have the same effect, no one operates an aircraft without insurance.
What is the '' something'' you allege is going to happen? The foreign pilots are a lot more qualified than many Canadian pilots who fly 737's for other Canadian carriers so please don't perpetuate rumors that anything will happen. These guys have experience and they have hours so enough said. CanJet and Sunwing are not idiots and either are their upper management. The insurance issues are clearly legal.

This is getting a bit hysterical and a lot of it is based on fear of job losses next year. You better take a good look at how SWG has managed to aggressively saturate the charter market in Canada and understand that it could be the way of the future. Get ready for Air Canada's little brother Rouge to enter the market with the family's blessing and money also. The squeeze is going to be on and the survivor will be the one who has their ducks lined up in a row. SWG's business plan has been brilliant. Perhaps it's time for the other Canadian charters to follow the same or a similar accumen.
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The "something" he is referring to is any incident or accident that can happen to any pilot in the world, no matter how competent and experienced. But if the insurer decides at that point that the pilot at the controls was not properly licenced to be there and hires the best lawyers that money can buy to make that point and wins the argument in a court of law, the consequence will be a costly uninsured event with everything that entails.

And this forum will still be around for someone to point the finger and say "you had been warned".
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That's exactly what I thought he meant, but I wanted clarification before I went as far as saying those statements better be very accurate and your I's dotted and T's crossed becuase that's one hell of a thing to ASSUME. It could be considered liable especially if the companies it's used against lose revenue becuase of the false allegations.

In regard to pointing the finger and saying '' you had been warned''. I'm not into finger pointing or warnings. I'm more of a told ya so sort of guy.
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I'm not losing any sleep over this. But other people are......

I've been flying long enough to read and understand CARs.......
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