Aircraft down yesterday from Buttonvile

[wan2fly99]

A friend of mine just told me that an aircraft from Buttonville yesterday had an engine failure and landed it in an open field

Anybody heard anything

[bizjets101]

Airliners.net photos of C-GPYG

Lindsay News

The privately-operated 1091700 Ontario Inc. Piper PA-28R-200 aircraft (C-GPYG) was on a VFR flight from Bagotville Airport (CYBG) to Lindsay Airport (CNF4). NAV CANADA staff at London F.I.C. advised that the aircraft conducted a forced landing six (6)SM west of Lindsay Airport (CNF4). The aircraft sustained substantial damage while the (rental) pilot was not injured. T.S.B. staff advised that the pilot had just switched tanks in preparation for landing when the engine quit. The aircraft was successfully landed in a field but spun around during the landing, resulting in the substantial damage. The T.S.B. Duty Investigator advised that they would not be going on scene.

UPDATE Supplemental information received from J.R.C.C. Trenton [2013/03/06]: J.R.C.C. Trenton staff were informed by the Ontario Provincial Police (O.P.P.) of an aircraft crash west of Lindsay, Ontario (44º20'30"N 078º50'22"W - 7NM west of Lindsay). Police and EMS were already on the scene and confirmed that it was a successful forced landing due to a mechanical failure. One POB with no injury. No assistance required; case closed.

[wan2fly99]

Do yu know if he belly landed or gear down? Like to know which option would be the best in a field in case it ever happens when I am flying

[Heliian]

Oh boy.

Lucky that he was able to land after a "mechanical" failure.

Some questions: How far is lindsay from bagotville? What's the range on the 28? was it a direct flight?

[Colonel Sanders]

an engine failure

Is that what they're calling it these days, when an
engine stops running when you don't feed it gas?

How far is lindsay from bagotville?

WolframAlpha says a hair over 400nm, direct.

[photofly]

How far is lindsay from bagotville?

It's only 400nm.

[Changes in Latitudes]

Did they do a good job?

[Colonel Sanders]

The aircraft sustained substantial damage

They sure did! That aircraft won't be flying again, any time soon.

[justwork]

an engine failure

Is that what they're calling it these days, when an
engine stops running when you don't feed it gas?.

I don't know, I thought that was fuel contamination. Contaminated with too much atmosphere.

[switchflicker]

Mechanical Fuel Pump Starvation

Happens all the time.

Sw

[azimuthaviation]

Like to know which option would be the best in a field in case it ever happens when I am flying
Do yu know if he belly landed or gear down? Like to know which option would be the best in a field in case it ever happens when I am flying

Might not be an option for the PA-28R, they were oriinally equipped with automatic gear retraction at low speeds. Piper thought of everything, except a fuel tank selection marked "both"

[bizjets101]

Okay, that is funny, CADORS states Bagotville to Lindsay, however I was just emailing Jason from SunMedia re; story, first he confirms that the gear was indeed down, and second, the aircraft was traveling from BUTTONVILLE to Lindsay!!

Jason Bain
Lindsay Post Managing Editor

The elderly male pilot of a small plane brought down in a field between Lindsay and Oakwood Tuesday afternoon walked away unscathed.

Emergency crews, including Lindsay and Oakwood Division firefighters, were called shortly before 1:30 p.m. to a report of a plane down near a tree line behind a barn north of Hwy. 7.
Another pilot in the air had reportedly witnessed the controlled landing and returned to the nearby City of Kawartha Lakes Municipal Airport.

A police officer trudged through the snow-covered field to the plane and accompanied the pilot back to where paramedics, firefighters and OPP had staged on the highway between Taylor's and Opmar roads.
The pilot spoke with police and went into a cruiser to give a statement before being assessed by paramedics.

He had been traveling from Buttonville Airport to the Lindsay airport when he experienced an engine failure, OPP said. Attempts to restart the engine failed and he was was forced to bring the plane down.
Transport Canada was notified, City of Kawartha Lakes OPP said.

Firefighters used a borrowed snowmobile to access the single-engine 1976 Piper Cub, which could be seen at the crest of a rolling hill, to ensure there was no fuel leakage or other hazards.
Damage to the plane did not appear to be extensive. Other planes could be seen circling the area after the mishap.

[cap41]

Did not appear to be extensive?????? That plane sustained heavy damage to wings, fuselage, landing gear folded backwards into the wings.

[CpnCrunch]

Mechanical Fuel Pump Starvation

Happens all the time.

Sw

Seriously?

What might have happened is that he moved the fuel selector mid-way between left and right.

[PilotDAR]

Might not be an option for the PA-28R, they were oriinally equipped with automatic gear retraction at low speeds. Piper thought of everything, except a fuel tank selection marked "both"

Yes, Arrows did have an automatic gear extension system. Though, it could be overridden for this type of circumstance. A Piper Service Letter of some time ago specified deactivation of this system, so I would be surprised to find them still in use - but could be.

I'm sure Piper thought of a "Both" position on the fuel selector, but having a both position is not certifiable with the Piper low wing fuel tank arrangement.

[azimuthaviation]

A Piper Service Letter of some time ago specified deactivation of this system, so I would be surprised to find them still in use - but could be.

Yeah it was a fairly expensive modification and not an AD so a lot of private aircraft still have it, Ive seen them recently.

[DanWEC]

That's less than a 40nm trip if I recall. He must have been going for the butter tarts.

Ok, let's just say that he didn't likely take off with only 5 gal of fuel-
Can't see any other reason other than missing the detent on the fuel selector, or the selector itself failed.

Here's a question, I know that the Piper checklist states to select "fullest tank" for the pre landing check. My thought is, why start introducing risk and switching fuel on approach when the original tank was operational?

Though I suppose being on approach and potentially within gliding distanceis one of the better places to be if it did screw the pooch.

[PilotDAR]

My thought is, why start introducing risk and switching fuel on approach when the original tank was operational?

There could be a greater risk of unporting a much lower tank during maneuvering for landing and possible overshoot. In this phase of flight, there is even less time to deal with it, if the lesser quantity tank remains selected.

This is a common requirement for any multi tank systems, which do not have a "both" position.

[CpnCrunch]

One thing that isn't very clear in any of the PA28 checklists is what to do with the fuel selector during the pre-takeoff and pre-engine-start checks. Normally they just say 'desired tank' or something to that effect. It's useful to make sure you actually change tanks before takeoff, so you can make sure the fuel selector is actually working and the engine runs on both tanks. I think flight schools normally say 'change tanks' in their runup checklists, but the manufacturer doesn't.

[dashx]

What is an "elderly pilot"?

Oh wait the internet has an answer:

Most countries have accepted the chronological age of 65 years as a definition of 'elderly' or older person.

Oh well I have a few years left........

[dashx]

Furthermore.....

Colonel Sanders said: my father

an old fighter pilot

likes......

So is he a former fighter pilot that is old, or is currently a fighter pilot that is old?

And if he is old is can he be considered elderly hence an elderly fighter pilot?

And at what age can we consider fighter pilots to be old? When does the military farm out the fighter pilots?

And do they continue to fly as "old" "fighter" pilots.........

Hanging on to their titles like retired doctors..........

And flying to/from Bagotville was the elderly pilot also (possibly) an old fighter pilot?????

Sorry off the rails (again).....

[Canoehead]

Buttonville would explain why the airplane was 6 miles west of Lindsay when it happened.

[photofly]

Colonel Sanders said: my father

an old fighter pilot

likes......

So is he a former fighter pilot that is old, or is currently a fighter pilot that is old?

Maybe he just pilots old fighters?

Buttonville would explain why the airplane was 6 miles west of Lindsay when it happened.

Long downwind?

[Canoehead]

Buttonville would explain why the airplane was 6 miles west of Lindsay when it happened.

Long downwind?

Is it still a 'downwind' when you leave the zone?

[dashx]

Maybe he just pilots old fighters?

Ain't the English language grand!

I thought about that one far too late.