Dodgey.......

[mcrit]

Private pilot getting paid to fly staff?

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... =7&t=88237

[MRP]

182 private pilot to fly staff and freight from lodge to Winnipeg and surrounding areas. Contact walleyemantioba@gmail.com for more information.
May 5 to Aug. 20th. Usually 250 hours flown during the summer. 300 PIC a plus. Wages based on experience.
http://www.walleyemanitoba.com is our website for more information. Email resume or email for more information.
Thank you

The terms "private pilot" and "wage" do not mix well together.

[Ki-ll]

182 private pilot to fly staff and freight from lodge to Winnipeg and surrounding areas. Contact walleyemantioba@gmail.com for more information.
May 5 to Aug. 20th. Usually 250 hours flown during the summer. 300 PIC a plus. Wages based on experience.
http://www.walleyemanitoba.com is our website for more information. Email resume or email for more information.
Thank you

The terms "private pilot" and "wage" do not mix well together.

I don't think this refers to a PPL holder, otherwise private jets would be flown by PPL pilots.

[photofly]

Yeah, but there's all that stuff about needing a OC as well. Does it sound like they have one?

[flyinthebug]

Yeah, but there's all that stuff about needing a OC as well. Does it sound like they have one?

I think this is just a simple language barrier issue. I believe they require a Commercial Pilot to fly a private aircraft. This is perfectly legal as long as they dont fly any paying passengers with it. Several operations in the north have privately registered aircraft that are restricted to freight hauls & non revenue staff seats. These operations usually charter an operator with an AOC to do their passenger trips.

You only require an AOC when you have paying (revenue) passengers.

Oh and no, he could not hire a PPL to do this job. It would need to be a CPL to do the freight hauls and staff runs. A PPL cannot be "for hire" under any circumstances, and they clearly are offering a salary. I believe they should be sent an email and asked to re-word the ad.

Fly safe all.

[tractor driver]

Worked with Dusty a few years now hauling in their fuel in the spring. Good people to work with. The 182 would be a great start for someone getting their aviation carreer on the go.

[mbav8r]

Oh and no, he could not hire a PPL to do this job.

I don't know if that is true, I believe if they hired the guy as a general laborer and had him/her flying the companies private 182, this is ok.
I interviewed a very long time ago for a copier repair guy and would have been flying the company 170 around to reserves for the repairs. This was like driving a company truck around and if I was also delivering goods, like a new copier no problem, they weren't paying me for the flying, per se. Also I would have been required to drop off another repair person at one location, carry on and pick up the other guy on the way home, all on a private licence.
I could be wrong, but don't really care enough to look up the regs.

[Lotro]

I'm pretty sure that you can fly for a company w/o a CPL if it's not your main job.

I.E. if I have a meeting in Windsor, and I decide to rent a 172 and fly there, I could expense the rental (if my company allowed it), and I'd technically being paid while I was flying, but wouldn't require a CPL. Right? I think I can even take a passenger/co-worker.

Of course, if anything ever happened on the flight, I'm sure insurance, WSIB, TC etc. etc. would all have a field day.

AS for this job posting, clearly it's a job as the staff pilot. You'd need a CPL.

[swervin]

I worked for the Budds about 20 years ago. You need a commercial licence but there was no OC. The 182 was owned by an individual in Riverton, MB. The summer I was up there the flying was pretty sparse, but I'm sure it's changed since then. They did expect you to help out around the camp at that time as well which was fine. If you like fishing, you will not find a better place to go. It's absolutely insane the size of the fish in that lake. The lodge was top notch, definitely a 4 or 5 star resort..

[Pie Lot]

I worked for Dusty and Doc about a dozen years ago too. They were great to work with; and I know they aren't on here trying to get away with anything Dodgy. It's probably just a posting error on their part. It's a great starter job for anyone that just got their licence.

The interesting thing is based on my pay and what my duties were; I wouldn't be surprised if a Private licence would technically cover it. I flew 150 hours in the 4 months; but definitely worked more hours then that. Flying was not my main job. A lot of time was spent packing and selling bait, painting the cabins and lodge, runway repair (loved driving the Front End loader and the D4 Cat); picking up the guests bags from the rooms and also delivering the bags to their rooms when they arrived. Also loaded and unloaded the main planes that brought in the guests and supplies; as well as assisting the other staff when needed. Truth is that flying was not my main duties there and flying the plane that season could have actually been considered a bonus. It was privately registered.

If you divide the hours I spent doing duties other than flying into my pay; it is no stretch that technically I was not paid to fly at all.
If the person who was hired to do all the other duties just happened to have a pilots licence; I'm sure they would let him fly the plane to do some errands lol.

Now before you all flame away; I know it should be a commercially licensed pilot that takes this job; and I know that is what Dusty is looking for. And it is a great first job. I made great friends there that I still keep in touch with; and it honestly was the best fishing that I ever had in my life. An overall good experience for a first flying job (as long as you have a good work ethic and don't mind being isolated up there for a few months).

[Colonel Sanders]

Does CAR 401.28(3) perhaps apply? A bit of a
stretch for a PPL, admittedly, but with sufficiently
creative paperwork, it could be done.

With a CPL, it's definitely legit, despite everyone
wanting an OC for everything these days

[swervin]

Pie lot,

Was the F101 voodoo landing gear still sitting in the crate in the
Junkyard when you were working there?

[Cessna driver]

I know of a police force and one of the pilots flying it has a ppl, they use it for work purposes not for revenue so i guess its legal for non-revenue purposes

[Pie Lot]

Hey Swervin:

Nope; there wasn't a landing gear there when I was. We had the dump across the runway that we used to burn all the trash etc; but no spare airplane parts. Probably had a better chance of finding stuff under the floor of my staff cabin; aka The Swamp lol. Had a good time up there and if I hadn't been hired for a 703 OP the next year; I would have gladly gone back. Would still love to get back up there and do some fishing. 117 Walleye in 45 mins, is still a record I know I'll never see again in my life. (Yes; all catch and release; before someone on here decides to remind me of fishing regulations).