How Do I Start To Restart?

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The guy who never dies wins but I digress..

Great post Dave! Apart maybe from the dried sewage, beats wet fresh stuff.
dave_091 wrote:Well my friend, you have come to the right place!
I am a walking, living, breathing example of what you are about to take part in.

Where do I start? I could write a book on getting my PPL (took me just over 10 years).

I started my flight training on December 1st 2002. I'll never forget that first flight. I had just moved in from Victoria a few months earlier and it was my first Ontario winter. I thought that was the coldest day ever!
Anyways, I'm not going to go into too much detail about my PPL journey. I ceased my flight training in September of 2003. I received a call from a employer telling me that I had a job and that if I wanted it I had to leave and start work in two days (it was the military). So, after 16 hours of no sleep and lots of deliberation I called them back the following day and told them that I'll take the job.
At that point in time I had my flight test booked, and my ground school was almost completed. But, I called the flight school and told them the good news that I got a job I had been waiting over a year and a half for. I told them the bad news as well that my flight training would have to be continued at a later date because I am packing up and moving out.

It would be almost 10 years before I sat in the left seat of an aircraft again.

So, Christmas break 2011/2012 rolls around. I have a lot of time on my hands. I am kicking around the house relaxing and enjoying my time off work. The wife sees this as a great opportunity to use this spare time to clean the basement ( I had been putting it off for weeks... okay months). So, off I trudge into the unknown. The basement really needed to be cleaned alright. It flooded in the summer when I was away fighting Ghadaffi overseas. It was a sewer back up so almost everything got wet with 3-4 inches of water, sewer water. However, by the time I got to cleaning the basement all that was left was a dried crust of sh*t over EVERYTHING. I spent days cleaning out that basement. I came across a ziplock bag full of papers. I opened it to see if it was worthy of keeping. Inside was my PTR, Logbook, and all my flying receipts ( I was told to never throw them out) from ten years prior. I remember my thoughts when I started flipping my logbook pages. I thought that it was cool to have almost got my private pilots license. I was SO CLOSE but yet so far. I put the books back in the ziplock bags and left them there for a while. But, I couldn't stop thinking about flying. Flying was on the brain..

I was in a small town of about 17,000 people at the time and I didn't think we had a flight school. I decided to get online and look anyways. Turns out there was a two man operation flying out of the regional airport ( I had no idea we even had a regional airport in that small town). I decided to test the waters and give them a call. After that call I had a flight booked for January 15th 2012!

I went there for my flight on January 15th and brought my PTR and my logbook. The flight instructor there told me that even though my hours are a decade old they still count towards the PPL. I couldn't have been happier!
Since I had almost everything done in my PTR all they had to do was get me ready for the flight test. The two instructors sat down with each other and devised a plan for me.
They took me up flying and assessed my flying skills. They said that I was a little rusty but I remembered the big picture. I remember them saying that I had great prior training and that I had good habits ( thank-you OAS).
After ten years without flying I still had these habits, I guess it goes to show that flying is like riding a bike. You might be a little off balance at first but you pick it up pretty quick.

Before I could fly solo again I had to get a medical and do the PSTAR.
About my radio operators license, I cant remember who I contacted online but I eventually found the right department. I filled in some information about myeslf and it turns out they still had record of me completing my radio operators licence. Nice! They sent me a copy of my licence in the mail... free!

I was about 5 or 6 hours into my refresher flight training before I had all my ducks in a row to go solo. That solo flight was definitely not as dramatic as my first solo, I don't even remember that solo flight to tell you the truth. But, I will never forget my first ever solo.

So, April 9 2012 was my flight test. Passed with a 94%.
I did my ground school at the same time as my flying through Harvs Air online ( I highly recommend them). I passed my ground school as well with a 94%, getting 100% in the air law section.
It took me about 15 flying hours before I was ready for the flight test. I am glad I did those 15 hours flying, I learned a LOT from those 15 hours. My instructors at that small school were top notch.

Where am I now? I have bought my own plane ( a share) and I am continuing on with my CPL.

I think my wife regrets having me clean the basement that winter because my life since then entirely revolves around flying.
So, I guess I owe my new found flying career to my wife!
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Yes, greatly inspiring story Dave - and I feel you on the basement full of sewage, but at least in our case the septic tank guaranteed where it came from (does that make it any better?).

Your example goes to show that I probably wont get a real assessment of my skills until I am actually at the controls. When I run through the sequences in my head they seem fill in naturally. Fifteen hours seems minimal considering your decade-long absence...congratulations on your quick turnaround.

Thanks to everyone who has replied, I am really excited to get back into this thing.
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Dirty don't worry about how long it takes.
(Massively hypocritical of me to say perhaps, since I like to obsess over every silly thing like that, but that's partly why I know)

Worrying will only make it worse. Unless you take 250 hours to get your PPL or something. You'll be fine. I know it's expensive and we all want to keep the costs down.

Just enjoy the ride. It's all flying, relax and go do it when ever you can. The more often we can the better. (Again, if only I could take my own advise.)
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I was in a small town of about 17,000 people at the time and I didn't think we had a flight school. I decided to get online and look anyways. Turns out there was a two man operation flying out of the regional airport ( I had no idea we even had a regional airport in that small town).
There is actually a lot of posibilities available in this country if people go looking for them. If more people did I would wager that every local strip could probably support a flight school of this sort. I know in the praries, almost every little hamlet has an airstrip and there are all sorts of treasures hiding at them. They really need the support.
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I gave you some wrong information. I just looked in my logbook and counted the hours I flew from Jan 15th to my flight test on Alril 9th. I flew 27.3 hours in 22 flights.
I guess I was having so much fun I just figured it was around 15 hours!
Sorry for the wrong info.
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Don't apologize, how ever many hours a certain step takes each of us is the right amount. You are an individual.

If a guy solos in 5 hours that is great and even brag worthy. Later he still gets paid less in the right seat while maybe the captain took 60 hours to solo. Life is a funny thing. I keep thinking I took way more than I did, I looked a while ago and was surprised. I almost feel like exaggerating when these conversations happen. "I took 534 hours to solo, and another 700 to PPL. I bet that's a record!"

One thing that is for sure that first solo was a defining moment in my life. Sure felt great to know I could fly a plane all by my self. One of the few times I was euphoric.
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how ever many hours a certain step takes each of us is the right amount
If you're paying for it, what does it matter?

If you feel the need to compare, what you have done
recently is probably more important than what you
did decades ago (soloing).

For example, you might have a guy that soloed in
one hour 40 years ago, but he crashed his last landing
yesterday.

To quote Richard Collins, you are only as good as
your last approach :wink:
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I agree and you made me realize part of what I am trying to say. Move forward and don't sweat the small stuff. Obsessing is sort of good as long as you stay positive and practice good habits.
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Move forward
Exactly. A good example of that is where you went
to school. I graduated back in 1986 from Queen's
but who cares? What matters is what I have done
in the 27 years since then.

Remember, Bill Gates dropped out of school :wink:
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Sure and now we're where we are it's easy to say school sucks. Often it's an important piece of the puzzle though. Easy to be a bum like me with no papers but if you want a decent job, you'll need some certification.
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School matters for maybe the first 5 years.

After that, it's a matter of what you've done,
and with whom.

Two really smart friends of mine - without
degrees - are pulling down $2000/day each.
Have been steadily now for the last 2 years.

Lack of paper isn't bothering either of those
guys. Didn't bother Bill Gates, either.
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Dirty A wrote:Abandoned PPL flight training 6 years ago with ~45 hours when I took off to go to university...ground school, solo cross country completed. Now I have been getting the urge to get back into it but am at a loss where to begin. Money is somewhat of an issue, especially considering my student loans and lack of employment, so I would like to know how I can go about doing this as efficiently as possible. I would hate to have to invest hundreds of dollars reviewing the basics when I've already logged this much time. Should I begin by mastering the literature? Has much changed that would render my older books invalid? Anyone ever been in this situation before?

I've recently moved to Toronto if that makes a difference.

Thanks for your time!
With not as many hours, I quit for over 27 years. My FTGU is the 24th edition from 1984. I did have my log book signed off when I quit, way back then but I didn't get any (PTR?). The current FTU is counting my previous hours with just a quick repeat of each basic exercise and some circuits. Back then, I got my student permit in the mail shortly after deciding to put the flying on hold so I hadn't soloed.

I restarted last fall by taking the ground school again. They thought that with all the online resources these days my old flight training manual and FTGU would be good enough, but none of the page number references given during ground school ever worked so I had to read a lot and find stuff. I redid the medical, the PSTAR, and the radio test quickly because I knew the processing can take a while. The new instructor, in a new-to-me aircraft, let me solo after about 7 hours of recent flight, mostly circuits. From what I've read on the forum here, maybe I should have spent more time refreshing the basic exercises because I'm still struggling to get consistent approaches and smooth landings. I'm not trying for a flying carreer but my advice to the OP would be "don't rush it". Review what you need to, to get it down right. For me, at least, hours before or after I get my PPL are all still hours that I get to fly so it's all good. :)
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chipmunk wrote:
Dirty A wrote: What is the cost of a Cat. I vs. Cat III medical these days?
Depends where you go. I spend around $200 to get both my TC (Cat I) & FAA renewed in Toronto, but for just the TC Category I you can probably expect anywhere from $100 to $150 (some doctors will give you a break if you have to pay for it, vs. your company paying for it.)

BUT for the love of God, please get an initial Cat I if you decide to get back into flying. If you just pass the Cat III and then spend thousands of dollars on flight training, only to find out when it's time for a Cat I that for some reason you can't pass it... it's a pretty big waste.
Great point, actually. Can you recommend any of these "sympathetic" doctors in the GTA?
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Dirty A wrote:Abandoned PPL flight training 6 years ago with ~45 hours when I took off to go to university...ground school, solo cross country completed. Now I have been getting the urge to get back into it but am at a loss where to begin. Money is somewhat of an issue, especially considering my student loans and lack of employment, so I would like to know how I can go about doing this as efficiently as possible. I would hate to have to invest hundreds of dollars reviewing the basics when I've already logged this much time. Should I begin by mastering the literature? Has much changed that would render my older books invalid? Anyone ever been in this situation before?

I've recently moved to Toronto if that makes a difference.

Thanks for your time!
With not as many hours, I quit for over 27 years. My FTGU is the 24th edition from 1984. I did have my log book signed off when I quit, way back then but I didn't get any (PTR?). The current FTU is counting my previous hours with just a quick repeat of each basic exercise and some circuits. Back then, I got my student permit in the mail shortly after deciding to put the flying on hold so I hadn't soloed.

I restarted last fall by taking the ground school again. They thought that with all the online resources these days my old flight training manual and FTGU would be good enough, but none of the page number references given during ground school ever worked so I had to read a lot and find stuff. I redid the medical, the PSTAR, and the radio test quickly because I knew the processing can take a while. The new instructor, in a new-to-me aircraft, let me solo after about 7 hours of recent flight, mostly circuits. From what I've read on the forum here, maybe I should have spent more time refreshing the basic exercises because I'm still struggling to get consistent approaches and smooth landings. I'm not trying for a flying carreer but my advice to the OP would be "don't rush it". Review what you need to, to get it down right. For me, at least, hours before or after I get my PPL are all still hours that I get to fly so it's all good. :)
Thanks for your encouragement. I guess a mid-training absence is not all that uncommon.
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Dirty A wrote: Great point, actually. Can you recommend any of these "sympathetic" doctors in the GTA?
For the GTA specifically, I'm not sure. Dr. Knipping may (he's in Brampton - email his staff at pilots@mcimed.com.) but otherwise my suggestion is try calling a couple of flight schools in the area and see if they know (or start a new thread specifically for it to draw more attention to that particular topic.)
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If it's any consolation, I'm in a similar boat, at the moment as well.

Got my PPL back in 1985, with the Air Cadets. Back then there was no requirement for 5 hours instrument, so I got my licence with the bare minimum - 40 hours total time. Did a few duals afterwards (though I did fly a lot in gliders, both as a pilot and later as an instructor) but never really got back into powered flight until just recently. In 2007, I regained my recency. Had to write a PSTAR exam, and the radio licence exam, as Industry Canada had somehow lost all record of me ever having one.

It took me nine duals, and just over 10 hours to meet the PPL standard required for all items on the flight test - believe it or not, even with over 300 hours of glider time, forced approaches were still the most stressful for me, and I had a few helmet fires re-learning precautionaries. I did these flights over the course of about four months - in hindsight I probably should have been flying a lot more frequently, but ultimately I got 'er done. After writing the open-book exam for the aircraft I was flying (C172), I was fully signed off for solo.

Unfortunately, a layoff ensued shortly thereafter and I'm back again regaining my currency. I've been up once, now at RFC a couple of weeks ago and have several more flights booked this month. If the first one is any indication, though I don't think it will be nearly as long a process to get requalified this time.

I do remember the first flight after over 20 years away, though. I took off from 04 at the north field at CYOW, and was completely freaking out as we climbed up over Hunt Club and the river. It felt at first like I'd lost all memory of how to do anything in an airplane, other than recline my seat and stare out the window. I was so far behind the plane that I was still in the practice area when we landed.

But, by the fourth or fifth flight, I was feeling much more comfortable, and by the end of the duals, I was comfortable enough to take passengers for short local flights.

Short answer - stick with it. It'll come back quicker than you expect. And it's springtime, perfect time to get back into the air.
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xiz wrote:And it's springtime, perfect time to get back into the air.
Yes it certainly is. Thank you.
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If you have an enclosed cockpit, dress like you're going for a walk and get airborne ASAP after start up winter flying is great. Smooth air and good performance.

I do understand the hibernation response though. Yay springtime.
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